Newbie 1756: Balloon (Game Over)

[ThinkBig]

If everyone would be so kind as to provide a reads list so I have an idea on where people are after I finish reading up on the backstory of this game, I'd be much obliged.

[Manuel87]

VOTE: thatsit
His sudden activity early day 2 when he avoided posting the entire time at the end of day 1.
Starting the day with throwing shade on Charloux and Transcend.

Later he wants to look for scum in the ppl that didnt vote Misa instead of directly saying he thinks i am scum.
His reason for me being the scum in the non Misa votes (thatsit, Tweet, Manuel) is awful and when i question it he suddenly disappears again.

Later he posts a Prodge instead of answering questions or giving a readslist which i am still waiting for since the end of day 1.

Charloux (later replaced by JaeReed) claimed Doc day one when he was at L-3 and was frustrated about Accountant and Transcend (later replaced by Loopdan) pressuring him.
WCS was at L-2 (he was at L-1 for a few hours until Transcend unvoted)
WCS slipt PR a lot after Charlouxs claim and was killed night 1. He was cop.
A push on Misa formed for PoE reasoning. Later a counterwagon on Accountant was formed with Tweet, Manuel, Misa, WCS.
WCS switched back to Misa followed by Transcend and finaly hammered by Charloux. Misa was VT

That brings us to my case on your slot.
Nothing really happened day 2 mainly because we had to wait days for answers and people getting replaced because they werent interested in the game anymore.

Reads:
Transcend/Loopdan
Charloux/JaeReed, Tweet
Norska, Accountant
Thatsit/ThinkBig

Btw now i remember why i didnt play anymore newbiegames when i started playing on this side.
Its really annoying that people dont care about the game anymore and just replace out in the middle of day 2 wasting the whole day.
At least we have a considerate mod this time that extended the deadline.

[Manuel87]

Ill at least give you a day to read up and make a defense but to be honest i dont think ill vote someone else today.

UNVOTE:

[ThinkBig]

Ill at least give you a day to read up and make a defense but to be honest i dont think ill vote someone else today.

Fair enough. I will try to catch up by this evening. Thanks for providing a list of reads.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: thatsit
His sudden activity early day 2 when he avoided posting the entire time at the end of day 1.
Starting the day with throwing shade on Charloux and Transcend.

Later he wants to look for scum in the ppl that didnt vote Misa instead of directly saying he thinks i am scum.
His reason for me being the scum in the non Misa votes (thatsit, Tweet, Manuel) is awful and when i question it he suddenly disappears again.

Later he posts a Prodge instead of answering questions or giving a readslist which i am still waiting for since the end of day 1.

Charloux (later replaced by JaeReed) claimed Doc day one when he was at L-3 and was frustrated about Accountant and Transcend (later replaced by Loopdan) pressuring him.
WCS was at L-2 (he was at L-1 for a few hours until Transcend unvoted)
WCS slipt PR a lot after Charlouxs claim and was killed night 1. He was cop.
A push on Misa formed for PoE reasoning. Later a counterwagon on Accountant was formed with Tweet, Manuel, Misa, WCS.
WCS switched back to Misa followed by Transcend and finaly hammered by Charloux. Misa was VT

That brings us to my case on your slot.
Nothing really happened day 2 mainly because we had to wait days for answers and people getting replaced because they werent interested in the game anymore.

Reads:
Transcend/Loopdan
Charloux/JaeReed, Tweet
Norska, Accountant
Thatsit/ThinkBig

Btw now i remember why i didnt play anymore newbiegames when i started playing on this side.
Its really annoying that people dont care about the game anymore and just replace out in the middle of day 2 wasting the whole day.
At least we have a considerate mod this time that extended the deadline.

Ok, why did you do this for tb and not me when I asked?

[Loopdan]

I , for one, don't think it's a great idea for everyone to post full reads at the request of the player who is likely being lynched and hasn't caught up yet.

[Manuel87]

Ok, why did you do this for tb and not me when I asked?

VOTE: thatsit
His sudden activity early day 2 when he avoided posting the entire time at the end of day 1.
Starting the day with throwing shade on Charloux and Transcend.

Later he wants to look for scum in the ppl that didnt vote Misa instead of directly saying he thinks i am scum.
His reason for me being the scum in the non Misa votes (thatsit, Tweet, Manuel) is awful and when i question it he suddenly disappears again.

Later he posts a Prodge instead of answering questions or giving a readslist which i am still waiting for since the end of day 1.

My case on thatsit.
He is most likely replaced though.
Time is pressing and we should decide on a lynch. Nolynch would only benefit scum.

@borkjerfkin: will the deadline be extended again when thatsit gets replaced?

@Loop: would you consider voting thatsit over Norska?

@JaeReed:
Accountant was at L-1 for a moment with
Tweet, Manuel, Misa, WCSBO on it.

WCS switched back to Misa followed by Transcend and Charloux (your slot) hammered.

Come again?

[JaeReed]

Also not a fan of Morning Tweet kinda buddying up to me in 809.

LOL Jae did you get paranoid about people with similar reads/thought processes to you after Nahdia's Mini

Not paranoid enough if Shadowrun mafia tells me anything.

[JaeReed]

Ok, why did you do this for tb and not me when I asked?

VOTE: thatsit
His sudden activity early day 2 when he avoided posting the entire time at the end of day 1.
Starting the day with throwing shade on Charloux and Transcend.

Later he wants to look for scum in the ppl that didnt vote Misa instead of directly saying he thinks i am scum.
His reason for me being the scum in the non Misa votes (thatsit, Tweet, Manuel) is awful and when i question it he suddenly disappears again.

Later he posts a Prodge instead of answering questions or giving a readslist which i am still waiting for since the end of day 1.

My case on thatsit.
He is most likely replaced though.
Time is pressing and we should decide on a lynch. Nolynch would only benefit scum.

@borkjerfkin: will the deadline be extended again when thatsit gets replaced?

@Loop: would you consider voting thatsit over Norska?

@JaeReed:
Accountant was at L-1 for a moment with
Tweet, Manuel, Misa, WCSBO on it.

WCS switched back to Misa followed by Transcend and Charloux (your slot) hammered.

Come again?

2 sentences compared to what you gave TB isn't comparable, but meh. w/e

[Accountant]

V/LA for today

Celebrating birthday with family.

[borkjerfkin]

happy birthday!

[Accountant]

Naw, the birthday's next week, but I've got a tournament then, so we're celebrating early.

[JaeReed]

Why has a no-resistance wagon on me blitzed to L-1 in 5 pages without anyone explaining why I'm scum or why Misa is town? I mean, everyone seems to be going off gut here, which is frustrating. I think scum is one of the people coasting to a mislynch against me pretending to "gut read" me as scum; because they know they won't have to provide any reasoning.

More importantly, why is Misa town?! Transcend, WCS, anyone? I don't need an elegant soliloquy on his obtownness, just something other than "idk he seems really town".

Not a fan of this reaction. Bleh.

[JaeReed]

Like, I can buy one person following their gut and switching votes from Misa to me, but 3-4 in a row, in rapid succession? I think at that point there's something not right going on there.

@WCS: Yes. I've stated my reasons for reading her as town and that hasn't changed.

Also not a fan of this.

[ThinkBig]

I am just getting home from a very busy day. My thoughts so far:

JaeReed is by far my biggest town read. In my opinion, he is confirmed town. His (or rather his predecessor's) claim of doctor holds some weight given that he wasn't CC'd. Since that would mean the scum team has a role blocker, he was most likely role blocked last night to enable the scum team to make their kill.

Slight FOS on accountant, though I haven't finished ISO'ing him.

I'm off to bed. Will post my thoughts tomorrow afternoon

[ThinkBig]

V/LA for today

Celebrating birthday with family.

Happy bday!

[Accountant]

What's the reasoning behind your FoS?

[Loopdan]

V/LA this weekend, but I'll stop by tonight to hammer.

@ThinkBig-- Please provide full reads.

[Morning Tweet]

happy early birthday Accountant, in case I don't see you again for a while

V/LA for today

celebrating birthday on actual birthday

[ThinkBig]

A lot of posts that really don't accomplish anything but remind everyone that they are actively participating in the discussion.

This looks like more playstyle than alignment.

As for being a leader, well, I generally try to lead the town as IC, regardless of my alignment. I could show you some games where this happened, if you wish.

I don't like this post.

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Accountant

Who will go here?

This is scummy

[JaeReed]

A lot of posts that really don't accomplish anything but remind everyone that they are actively participating in the discussion.

This looks like more playstyle than alignment.

As for being a leader, well, I generally try to lead the town as IC, regardless of my alignment. I could show you some games where this happened, if you wish.

I don't like this post.

Can you go into detail on what you don't like here?

[ThinkBig]

A lot of posts that really don't accomplish anything but remind everyone that they are actively participating in the discussion.

This looks like more playstyle than alignment.

As for being a leader, well, I generally try to lead the town as IC, regardless of my alignment. I could show you some games where this happened, if you wish.

I don't like this post.

Can you go into detail on what you don't like here?

He's essentially arguing to play against his wincon if he was Mafia in order to help town. From the Wiki page that he posted:

The easiest way for newbies to learn is to watch good players playing at their best. Do not attempt to water down your game, or play any differently in terms of your objectives as you would in any other game.

Make sure you're playing to win

, and make sure you attack just as hard as you would in any other game. Do not attempt to coddle the newbies by playing down to their level, as that will not help them advance as players, and that's pretty much the point of the game.

[ThinkBig]

Also just to be clear - Accountant - are you saying you will still honestly help town if you are on maf side?

Yes. As an IC, I have to follow these rules strictly.

Town or not, you have an obligation to play to your wincon even as the IC. See above.

[JaeReed]

I don't see leading the town as the IC regardless of alignment being playing against your wincon if you're mafia. In fact, I'd argue that's playing to it. By leading the town you can influence the way others are viewing certain situations, and manipulate them into voting for who you want them to.

Leading the town is a playstyle thing. Some people prefer to lead and gain their reads that way, and others like to sit back and watch the flow more to gain their reads.