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In post 824, Cabd wrote:

In post 783, PersephoneSidekick wrote:Okay, topic of Wheme: Frustratingly unhelpful != scum. The last minute vote that everybody is upset about is relatively consistent with his stated opinions. He, like me, thought the scumteam was Una/Why so he didn't care that much which one was lynched first. I think he declares and votes on reads, without explaining them; this is anti-town but NAI. The actual reads themselves are plausible reads. I see him as very very null and since I actively scumread Una, he's a much safer lynch to me.

I townread Whale and Miles and mildly scumread Miles, so Wheme loses out by a bit. If Una is cleared, then by POE Wheme is guilty with Miles and I'd be willing to vote him. But for now, I'm very worried that lynching Wheme might lose the game.

I'll make a post about Una soon after I finish a short meeting.

I was actually expecting rc to lynch persp based on the slip here.

Miles Edgeworth wrote:I find mhsmith's lack of discussion of the BP-claim strategy very compelling evidence that he is a Town Cop or Town Doctor.
mhsmith didn't actively propose the BP-claim strategy at any point, and only very passingly mentioned it during day 1.

I find this to be compelling evidence because:

1: The BP-claim strategy is demonstrably pro-town, both in terms of data collected (see this page on the wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6) and in abstract strategic terms. In Setup A (BP/Jailer/RB), the BP claim allows the jailer to choose from one fewer person to target, since the BP has no night actions which need preventing and is in no need of saving. In Setup 3 (BP/Goon/Tracker); and in Setup C (Doc/Tracker/Goon), the lack of a BP claim allows the Tracker to infer the setup and thus claim safely, since the mafia don't have a roleblocker for the doctor. It's thus beneficial for the BP to always claim on day 1, in order to allow the PRs to take their actions optimally.
2: mhsmith is very aware of the BP-claim strategy and its benefits for town. In addition to moderating Matrix6-formatted Newbie games in the past, he posted a topic on the subject here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=71440 where he expresses concern over the strength of the strategy.

We know that mhsmith is town, so why didn't he encourage the BP strategy? Possibly he feels that he can keep the game "pure" from the quasi-solvable nature of the BP-claim strategy, which in theory makes for a better newbie experience. But he's also playing to win, and trying to teach newbies how to do the same. I think if he didn't know that a BP

weren't

in the game, he would have at least proactively mentioned the strategy instead of having WhyMafia bring it up, and he would have encouraged it during the pivotal part of the end of day 1, where the town wasn't sure what to do and didn't have great leads.

I think it thus follows that mhsmith knows a Bulletproof Townie isn't in the game, which he can only know by being a town power role which cannot coexist with the BP: Town Cop or Town Doctor. We don't know which one he is, since both can exist without a roleblocker (just not together).

I think mhsmith is almost certainly the kill now.

In post 832, RadiantCowbells wrote:You were obv as fuck pr by the way

In post 829, PersephoneSidekick wrote:

In post 824, Cabd wrote:

In post 783, PersephoneSidekick wrote:Okay, topic of Wheme: Frustratingly unhelpful != scum. The last minute vote that everybody is upset about is relatively consistent with his stated opinions. He, like me, thought the scumteam was Una/Why so he didn't care that much which one was lynched first. I think he declares and votes on reads, without explaining them; this is anti-town but NAI. The actual reads themselves are plausible reads. I see him as very very null and since I actively scumread Una, he's a much safer lynch to me.

I townread Whale and Miles and mildly scumread Miles, so Wheme loses out by a bit. If Una is cleared, then by POE Wheme is guilty with Miles and I'd be willing to vote him. But for now, I'm very worried that lynching Wheme might lose the game.

I'll make a post about Una soon after I finish a short meeting.

I was actually expecting rc to lynch persp based on the slip here.

What'd I do?

In post 834, RadiantCowbells wrote:can't point to anything just knew it the whole game

In post 835, Cabd wrote:

In post 829, PersephoneSidekick wrote:

In post 824, Cabd wrote:

In post 783, PersephoneSidekick wrote:Okay, topic of Wheme: Frustratingly unhelpful != scum. The last minute vote that everybody is upset about is relatively consistent with his stated opinions. He, like me, thought the scumteam was Una/Why so he didn't care that much which one was lynched first. I think he declares and votes on reads, without explaining them; this is anti-town but NAI. The actual reads themselves are plausible reads. I see him as very very null and since I actively scumread Una, he's a much safer lynch to me.

I townread Whale and Miles and mildly scumread Miles, so Wheme loses out by a bit. If Una is cleared, then by POE Wheme is guilty with Miles and I'd be willing to vote him. But for now, I'm very worried that lynching Wheme might lose the game.

I'll make a post about Una soon after I finish a short meeting.

I was actually expecting rc to lynch persp based on the slip here.

What'd I do?

You mentioned miles twice in two seperate types of read. It comes off as even if you didn't do it that way, like your been trying to figure out where to slot players and moved stuff around. Usually that kind of thought process doesn't come from a town mindset whose reads come from their honest thoughts. It comes from scum shaping their thoughts based on their perception of consensus.

In post 835, Cabd wrote:

In post 829, PersephoneSidekick wrote:

In post 824, Cabd wrote:

In post 783, PersephoneSidekick wrote:Okay, topic of Wheme: Frustratingly unhelpful != scum. The last minute vote that everybody is upset about is relatively consistent with his stated opinions. He, like me, thought the scumteam was Una/Why so he didn't care that much which one was lynched first. I think he declares and votes on reads, without explaining them; this is anti-town but NAI. The actual reads themselves are plausible reads. I see him as very very null and since I actively scumread Una, he's a much safer lynch to me.

I townread Whale and Miles and mildly scumread Miles, so Wheme loses out by a bit. If Una is cleared, then by POE Wheme is guilty with Miles and I'd be willing to vote him. But for now, I'm very worried that lynching Wheme might lose the game.

I'll make a post about Una soon after I finish a short meeting.

I was actually expecting rc to lynch persp based on the slip here.

What'd I do?

You mentioned miles twice in two seperate types of read. It comes off as even if you didn't do it that way, like your been trying to figure out where to slot players and moved stuff around. Usually that kind of thought process doesn't come from a town mindset whose reads come from their honest thoughts. It comes from scum shaping their thoughts based on their perception of consensus.

In post 845, fferyllt wrote:No matter how smooth and easy a mafia win looks from the outside, from the inside it usually feels like a mad dash and a graceless slide under the wire with town hot on your heels.


Or maybe that's just me.

In post 844, mhsmith0 wrote:I will say, for what it's worth, that as scum you'll usually get more of a challenge from town. I tried fairly hard to make people care on day one and it just didn't really take. Relatively frustrating experience on my end. Cankles was obviously the most vocal "to hell with trying" voice, but it was a collective thing as much as anything else. Not really sure what I can do in a situation like that.