on Datisi, this time more based on the lack of content.
224 - I decide to Iso Datisi in an attempt to establish a firmer read. The context here is that I had been scumreading Flippy and close to voting him until his 'townslip', when I reviewed it, gave me pause for thought, so I decided to look in the direction of my other 'below null' read. In this post I was genuinely trying to establish whether Datisi had town motivation behind her 'test', which as I've said is the only thing of significance she had done by this point. Possibly biased by the fact I had so many TR's and so few SR's at this point, I interpreted it more likely as being scum at a loss for what to do to look Townie. Certainly I could see a mindset of 'if I make it look like I deliberately caused a townslip, I will look Townie myself'. Klick's test had a more genuine feel due to the fact he unvoted Pilgrim yet didn't immediately explain, and therefore try to take credit for the test.
By this point in the game I'm also becoming increasingly aware that Datisi is ignoring everything I'm saying about her. Incidentally, I read in the scum chat of one her previous games where she asked her partner if she should ignore the scumreads she was getting - this gave me a slight ping, but I wanted to keep it to myself at this point to see how it developed.
I thought it didn't quite add up that she had given no signs of scumreading me at all
(quite the contrary, in fact) and yet now she was saying my posts have been fake the whole time.
What you failed to mention however, is that in that game RC came out with me as his strongest SR (rightfully so - my play was godawful) and kept continuously pushing me, and I was trying to ignore that. You, however, have expressed having "very slightly negative vibes" on me twice. Was I supposed to jump onto that?
Also, you say how me ignoring your "negative vibes" is what made you doubt me,
but you decided to not say anything to see how that developed
.
Yet your literal next sentence is saying how you thought it was weird that I was "sudeenly SRing you", even though I had said that I wanted to give you some time to see if I would be getting better vibes from you.
VOTE: Luca
.
I would have expected you, if you were Town, to engage with me at least after I had Iso’d you. There seemed to be no curiosity on your part as to whether my thoughts were coming from a genuine place or not.
Regarding the second and third paragraphs (nice effects with the bold and italics btw), is your point that I held something back and am therefore scummy for being suspicious over you doing the same thing?
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:59 am
by Iconeum
Ali, why you run away after showing you why Luca's vote is so much better then Nipplegifs? Don't you wanna talk about that?
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:03 am
by Alisae
oh thats what that post was with the broken spoiler tag
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:03 am
by Alisae
it sucks
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:04 am
by Iconeum
you lie
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:05 am
by Iconeum
Luca has multiple posts running up to his vote, questioning and sorting Datisi to come to a scumread.
Nipples went 'lez do dis'
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:06 am
by Iconeum
In post 817, Iconeum wrote:You wanna compare Luca's vote on Datisi to Nipplegifs? OK
(for some reason the quotes are messed up in the spoiler, but it should be readable either way
Behold the sorting/questioning between Luca and Datisi prior to Luca's vote there. I read this as a natural town-motivated scumread that developped
Spoiler:
In post 306, Luca Blight wrote:And in case you were wondering about somewhat negative early Datisi vibe, it was because, by comparison to Icon, she seemed rather stilted. She appeared to be accustomed to a similar opening style, and yet it felt like she was holding back a little.
In post 327, Luca Blight wrote:At this point it’s still early given we’ve heard almost nothing from Kop and I haven’t yet got a read on Almost50. From the players who have been active from the start, I would consider lynching Datisi or Flippy, with a preference for a Datisi Lynch.
can we pile up here please? 2 posts for the duration of this game isn't phenomenal, maybe we can squeeze his thoughts out of him
Has Datisi’s catch-up affected your read on her?
In post 349, Luca Blight wrote:@Datisi: It seems odd then that you preferred a Tchill Lynch over a Luca Lynch earlier in the day if I’ve been giving you bad vibes the whole time.
In post 129, Datisi wrote:Slight preference to vote for Tchill over Luca, but neither are pinging me as scum yet.
So I wasn’t pinging her as scum and she preferred to Lynch Tchill, yet now she is saying I’ve been giving her bad vibes and she was waiting to see if I would change....doesn’t quite add up.
In post 355, Luca Blight wrote:@Datisi:It seemed like you were expecting scum to be discussing something more specific (I also wasn’t aware of the no day chat) so I was wondering what your thoughts were.
In post 357, Luca Blight wrote:Also Datisi, are you saying my posts have become faker/more devoid of life since you gave that opinion on page 6?
In post 364, Luca Blight wrote:Busy atm so can’t keep up with the live chat, so bear with me.
As of the start of page 7, I'm feeling pretty good about Flippy, Klick and Billy. Iconeum seemed Townie based on his start,
but I may have to revisit that slot at some point
, Tchill's contribution at the end of page 6 seems decent.
Klick's 151 is either townie or confident scum work. I'm leaning towards the former atm.
In post 215, Luca Blight wrote:Tchili mid page 8 is either showing genuine Townie emotion or is a skilled scum player - it reminds me of my own frustration in past games.
Just skimmed the last couple of pages - gonna get myself more comfortable for some deeper reading. Right now I'm not really scumreading any of the active players, which is pretty rare for me.
The only one that falls slightly below the null line is probably Datisi based on her content, or lack thereof. Hopefully we get some replacements in soon.
Gonna read back again now.
In post 218, Luca Blight wrote:I also agree with the 'trying to look Town' bit regarding the topic of whether we should use the full day or cut it short.
Also, as a side point, I never understand why, as a Townie, you would tell scum what you're looking out for (in this case, specifically the interactions between possible scum partners). This isn't necessarily AI in of itself as I see this kind of thing all the time, but it's just something I feel is counter-productive.
In post 224, Luca Blight wrote:Looking over Datisi's ISO - it's full of game theory chat and passive questioning - this is where my slightly below null read originates from. The only real point of interest is 99 - Would scum do such a 'test'? Looking back at it, it felt a bit unnecessary of Datisi because Billy's answer to Klick's original question already provided the 'townslip'. I think I'm leaning towards this being an act from scum who are at a loss of what to do, so choose to do something that appears to be useful Town work, with the additional benefit of getting a Townie onside (which, if this scenario is accurate, would have been successful given Pilgrims TR of Datisi).
This is still very much a work in progress,
but my reads are something like this at the moment:
Tchill
Klick
Pilgrim, Icon, Flippy,
Datisi
Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player
Looking after my kid at the moment so hard for me to fully check back,
but I think I’ve covered most of the above already. I had a very slight townread on you based on the opening. By the time I made my catch-up post you hadn’t posted for like three days, nor had your ‘serious’ work at that point done much to give me a read on you either way, so I had you as null. Recently I’ve agreed with your points of view on Nippy (or rather you agreed with mine) and on Klick, plus I’ve seen some positive game advancing work from you, so I have you as a town-lean. I haven’t Iso’d you yet but that’s where i currently stand. The rest of your questions I believe I’ve covered already if you look back.
I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.
pedit: as I said, I was willing to give him more time. I'm still not certain in this, but you've forced me to out my thoughts, so whatever.
pedit2: Billy and Emperor had single posts that pinged me more, and I was willing to jump on those to see what they mean. Luca has been slowly pinging me across the game.
It feels here like you’ve just zoomed in on the least important parts of my posts and disregarded all the necessary stuff. Do you have anything to say about the actual content of my work? The 224 and 325 examples are particularly laughable for how you ignore all the actual information and highlight the only part that fits your narrative.
I can see a fair bit of Town-motivation behind a lot of his work. The only only thing I don't get is what changed his mind on Datisi at around the 371 mark? His questioning of Datisi felt genuine, but I don't get what caused him to ease up on it.
The more I look at that reads list of hers the more I feel like it isn't genuine. I feel like it was always her intention to jump on the Kop wagon eventually but she was concerned about picking the easy target, so she stuck a half-hearted vote on me instead and then allowed herself to be
talked into
joining the easy wagon.
I MANAGED TO FIX IT THANKS TO DATISI
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:08 am
by Alisae
In post 836, Iconeum wrote:Luca has multiple posts running up to his vote, questioning and sorting Datisi to come to a scumread.
Nipples went 'lez do dis'
Yeah you just described why Luca's vote more scum then Nipples good job
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:10 am
by Datisi
@Luca
That is true. However,
1) your ISO analysis made it sound like "everything's still a work in progrss", "it's a slight SL" etc. I was risking being called defensive.
2) I wanted to wait for more material from you to either make my suspicion of you go away or to help me realize how to explain why I think you're suspicious.
Yes, that's my point.
Btw, you say you checked my scum game (where I was ignoring the SR's on me). Have you checked my Town games? Game theory chat and passive questioning is well within my Town game.
In post 836, Iconeum wrote:Luca has multiple posts running up to his vote, questioning and sorting Datisi to come to a scumread.
Nipples went 'lez do dis'
Yeah you just described why Luca's vote more scum then Nipples good job
I have about like, over 100 games played of mafia for some reason
more often then not, I see town go "lez do dis"
scum can do it too
its not really alignment indicative
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:17 am
by Iconeum
Sure town can do that
but Luca's progression is also what a town does when looking to sort so...
also side note what game was this?
the only time I vaguely remember playing with you was when I was playing on Mikan and I was scum in multiball
and was also trolling
fuck multiball
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:26 am
by Iconeum
yeah it was that weird game
don't remember specifically if it was mikan
but fuck multiball
you were a lot more screamy that game to prove your point (you were scum) and i don't see that here
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:26 am
by Luca Blight
In post 839, Datisi wrote:@Luca
That is true. However,
1) your ISO analysis made it sound like "everything's still a work in progrss", "it's a slight SL" etc. I was risking being called defensive.
2) I wanted to wait for more material from you to either make my suspicion of you go away or to help me realize how to explain why I think you're suspicious.
Yes, that's my point.
Btw, you say you checked my scum game (where I was ignoring the SR's on me). Have you checked my Town games? Game theory chat and passive questioning is well within my Town game.
I can see your point, although, as I said previously, it was more the ‘Luca isn’t pinging me as scum’ posts etc that pinged me in relation to your later revelation. It felt at the time like you just plucked that read out of thin air in desperation.
Is this the main reason you now think I’m scum, or is it still due to the ‘fakeness’? And how confident are you on your read?
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:28 am
by Luca Blight
Sorry, I forgot to answer your last question . I did check out your meta generally but my memory of it is foggy, I’ll re-check.
