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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:03 am
by JJJ
strongman goes thru rb?
-X

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:03 am
by Datisi
Official Vote Count 2.01With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching
emps
(1): HH

Not Voting
(7): Menalque, the worst, emps, Uncrowned, AaronFrost, Look At Me Im So Town, Alduskkel

Deadline:
(expired on 2020-01-14 14:30:00).

Mod notes:
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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:07 am
by Uncrowned
To be fair, Mena just had the interaction with TW that could've drawn some heat toward him.

That's why I went for Emps. If he's scum, regardless of his partner, he'd be the most likely to perform the night actions.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:08 am
by Uncrowned
Also, just for the record, I'm pretty confident in Emps being scum. After doing my re-read of the game, he pretty much had no real committal to reads and didn't exhibit much scumhunting throughout the game. I'm not voting yet because I'm about to sleep, then I've got work in the morning until the afternoon, and I don't want to come back and have the next night phase started already after an Emps lynch without saying a few more things.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:11 am
by Uncrowned
Yes, strongman goes through roleblock.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:15 am
by JJJ
As far as "did a rb stop scum or did a babysitter stop scum" my philosophy is this. A roleblocker is going to target who he finds scummy. In other words, someone who a town PR finds to be scummier than others. Which means There's a decent chance that they are, in fact, scum.

A babysitter is another town PR who is going to target someone that he finds towny
AND
thinks has a decent likelihood of being shot/being a PR. In other words, the babysitter, should they exist, not only has the same burden of hoping their target's alignment is what they think it is, they are also effectively useless that night if they aren't correctly guessing who the scum is going to shoot. In a game like this, where we have only hanged 1 person and it was a townie, the information there is very limited.

Based purely on the skill of a baby sitter and a roleblocker, leaving luck out as a factor, the roleblocker has a better chance of preventing the NK, I think. Sure, they have to have also picked the scum who was actually attempting this skill, but even with this in consideration (and in this case, FMPOV, emps fits the bill as a shooter if the partner had any amount of heat) I believe Occam's razor says you stopped scum last night.

-X

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:20 am
by Uncrowned
I agree that it's more likely I stopped scum from killing than a babysitter, I just know there's a chance I'm wrong, but I didn't see a real benefit to sitting on the information.

I probably could've waited to see if there were more associative tells, but I think scum seeing that they'd got stopped from killing would tighten up real quick anyway and prevented that from happening. That's from my own experience playing as scum.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:04 am
by JJJ
If there's not a strong man I think this game is heavily in town favor now. Assuming emps is scum of course.
-X

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:48 am
by Menalque
In post 760, Menalque wrote:At this point in time I kinda think all the scum is in (emps, HH, lamist)
Yeah I stand by this

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:49 am
by Menalque
I’m strongly inclined to believe uncrowned’s claim

If anyone is claiming a PR that conflicts, do so now

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:52 am
by Menalque
Ftr: not claiming conflciting PR

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:53 am
by Menalque
Oh and also lmao at the idea that I’m a viable emps partner

Yes, I totally bump my partner to the bottom of my reads, that makes total sense

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:44 am
by JJJ
Yeah mena is probably the partner tbh, this is completely on par with how he would react as scum.

-X

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:50 am
by AaronFrost
In post 812, Uncrowned wrote:I am the Town Roleblocker.

I roleblocked Emps last night.

So you guys don't have to do it yourself, that means there is one of these three combinations of roles in this game.

Mafia One-Shot Strongman, Town Babysitter Town Roleblocker.

Town Babysitter, Town Roleblocker, Mafia Rolecop.

Town Roleblocker, Mafia Rolecop, Town Rolecop.

The reason my evidence is not conclusive is that there is a chance that there is a Town Babysitter in this game that watched over the person who got picked for the NK.
Nice

VOTE: emps

I'm inclined to believe this. If there is a babysitter they should crumb their target.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:51 am
by AaronFrost
In post 816, Uncrowned wrote:I don't want the other PR, whether it's rolecop or babysitter to claim either. I don't think we get any benefit out of it.
Agreed. They should crumb though in the event that they die.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:55 am
by AaronFrost
In post 837, JJJ wrote:Yeah mena is probably the partner tbh, this is completely on par with how he would react as scum.

-X
Yeah that was a pretty scummy reaction ngl but I need to reread with emps!scum in mind

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:09 am
by Menalque
Lmao what

Are you fucking high?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:10 am
by Menalque
The reason it’s “on par” with how I’d react as scum is because I’m p fucking good at simulating my towngame as scum

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:11 am
by Menalque
In post 815, JJJ wrote:I think it's good. FTR I don't want a babysitter to claim yet. Emps is probably just scum.
-X
In post 817, JJJ wrote:
In post 804, Datisi wrote:
Official Vote Count 1.FINALWith 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching
Chemist1422
(5): Uncrowned, Look At Me Im So Town, emps, AaronFrost, the worst
[LYNCH]

emps
(1): Menalque
the worst
(1): Alduskkel
Alduskkel
(1): Chemist1422
Menalque
(1): HH

Not Voting
(0):

Deadline:
(expired on 2020-01-03 18:00:00).

Mod notes:
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Pretty safe to assume if scum!emps then partner was not on the chem wagon.

Mena or aldu. Probably just an emps mena team to be honest.

-X
Like you’re going to look at this and go “yah totally natural reaction cool thing boss”

And then I’m gonna come in, point out that I already called emps as one of the three most likely scum players and was one of the strongest voices against lynching THE ONLY CONFTOWN PLAYER WE HAVE SO FAR and then go “lol yeah mena reaction scummy”

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:12 am
by Menalque
Are you fucking kidding me AF?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:12 am
by Menalque
Huh maybe AF is just scum actually

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:12 am
by Menalque
And if emps is caught then he wants to push mena/HH to happen because that potentially takes the heat off him and gets him to lylo

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:13 am
by Menalque
Can someone who’s actually towny come and talk to me so I don’t feel like I’m fighting through WIFOM?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:13 am
by Menalque
I mostly mean ducky/aldus/uncrowned

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:14 am
by Menalque
Although ducky does prob need re-evaluation too given greenflip and icon/emps interactions