But they keep lynching scum D1 and really deserving the win most of the time so...
Yes it seems like day 1 bussing should usually be avoided in this setup -- it's really risky unless you are absolutely confident on who the cop/jailkeeper/tracker is and that you will be able to kill them on night one (or you are absolutely confident that the town PR's are mason-mason).
Also mutual cross bussing seems really risky just in general in column A or column B, unless scum has a plan in mind to ensure that the goon loses the 1vs1 while simultaneously having both scum look like they were really trying to get the other lynched so their interactions can convincingly be read as TvS rather than SvS (as opposed to a goon who is just trying to get his slot sacked so his scum PR buddy gets towncredit). You don't want the goon to ever win the 1vs1 against the scum PR as that just gives up scum power and allows town to know which column the setup is in. In column C this isn't an issue.
And like the old newbie setup, scum fakeclaiming PR gambits work best in setups C1 (cop only) or C2 (jailkeeper only). In the former you can fakeclaim doctor, and in the latter you can fakeclaim tracker (or technically TFN but I think that's much riskier). You can't be outed as scum through massclaim or PR flips, and if you manage to take out the cop or jailkeeper early on then town has to evaluate you strictly based on your play. It's definitely a lot harder to maintain a fake PR claim as scum over the long haul in setups other than C1 or C2.
I wonder why Alora was the NK. I thought Luca was the obvious NK.
I explained why in the scum PT, but in short I was aiming to kill VT's, NOT PR's, and Alora was 1)heavily townread and 2) obvious VT. Nightkilling the tracker already objectively proves that I am not a jailkeeper, and nightkilling the TFN puts me in a 1vs1 against the tracker. It did occur to me that I could have nightkilled Luca and then simply retracted my jailkeeper claim, but I didn't want to do that because of lynch all liars etc. Winning the game seemed far-fetched period given how day one played out, but I felt like I at least had to stick with my jailkeeper claim rather than retract the claim and claim it was a town gambit to stop me from getting lynched.
I also thought that Luca was TFN rather than tracker, since he didn't call me scum in twilight after I hardclaimed jailkeeper and TSE revealed that he was rolecop.
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:22 am
by GeorgeBailey
In post 825, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:If it was Bugs that got lynched Day 1.
Me and Volxen could have easily won.
Would have bussed him Day 2 for Town Credit.
I think it was the survivalism that fucked you over. That and you claiming role cop during twilight.
In post 833, bugspray wrote:Gb let's Hydra sometime. We can call it egospray I'll make the can shoot tiny stirners
This is great lmao. I was actually thinking of this earlier, but it was stirner spraying a can of bugspray.
But they keep lynching scum D1 and really deserving the win most of the time so...
And I flipped scum 3 times.
stop doing silly scummy gambits right off the bat u silly fool
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:42 pm
by the worst
Congratulations to the town!
Just wanted to take a moment to advertise my little corner of the site, for those interested in the social aspect of MafiaScum.
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:08 pm
by bugspray
When is my gtkas
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:13 pm
by the worst
This weekend!! Hope you're as excited as I am
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:14 pm
by RadiantCowbells
when is town going to start losing newbies so that i stop lookiing bad
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:16 pm
by Datisi
i can start /inning into newbies again and rolling Town
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:21 pm
by popsofctown
No way I'm gonna stalk you and /in to your game and lynch all your townreads. I gotta make sure RC looks bad. No one wanted my sloppily designed but more scumsided setups for the newbie queue so I need to be petulant.
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:22 pm
by popsofctown
(You're not actually bad at town)
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:26 pm
by the worst
I don't know if it's any comfort, but imo being scum in NewD3 feels much better than being scum in the original 2d3 setup.