Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Tuxedo Mask]

@tuxedo: does your reads list rearrange at all once you factor in the things you maybe misinterpreted?

Are these misinterpretations in reference to what you said and Freddie being afraid of FF?

For you, I do see your side of things. I'm still not sure what you did is the best course of action, like what happened was over half the game ago. But you have different experiences than I. So I understand where you're coming from there.

As for Freddie, I'm reading their ISO now.

If I missed something else let me know.

[wavesarc]

Through end of page 10.

Ok townreading Freddie. They seem kind of naturally reserved and serious, but I think it’s genuine, and their push on Lilith is assertive (post 119).

I think I…townread ironcat? Their logic sometimes feels like a stretch, but they don’t really have a problem putting it all out there and they get read/voted for it consistently—and respond by *leaning in* (post 190).

Ok, so I’m about to enter the phase where the main topic is about how Formerfish is Doing a Bit—ironcat and formerfish escalate it mutually, but ironcat gives like three angry posts where they say formerfish is triggered and accuses him of taking things personally. (post 218)

Formerfish’s vote on ironcat is a reach. I wouldn’t call ironcat overly concerned with appearances. post 223. Gibus’s vote on formerfish right after for being “disinterest” is bad tho.

No idea what to make of gibus speculating about town PRs? Where is votato?

Special mention to this gem of a post:

Possible scum buddies:

fish and lilith

See how fish projects a lot of insecurities onto me after my vote for Lilith? I'd be proud to be your scum buddy. Too bad I'm not.

What I mean by leaning in…this is ridiculous content that I don’t think scum!ironcat would be putting out there? What do they have to gain by antagonizing formerfish and now Lilith?

[Nauci]

I think I'm in WIFOM Hell over Ironcat ಥ_ಥ

[Formerfish]

It's impossible to know if Freddie is genuinely afraid of interacting with Formerfish or if it's a faked reaction because there's every bit of genuine reason to do feel that way.

I would think that once the initial act of my play being dropped and me playing in earnest that there would need to be a revisiting of me and my slot because it could be read in a different light now.

Don't enable peoples inability to make reads on people.

[Formerfish]

So it's scummy of me to question why a replacement is getting piled on when they haven't caught up yet

Okay but like I've talked about my case on the slot many times

You weren't the one who voted Tux to l-2 right after tux asked for time to catch up.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Spoiler: Freddie ISO

Gibus seems too sloppy to be suspicious but it could be an act.

I’m suspicious that Lilith is a little more experienced then she’s letting on. I’m not sure why she jumped on the gibus wagon either. I’d love to hear an explanation since it could be AI.

I still don't think this has been answered. It seems like the start of Freddie's Lilith read, which is pretty rocky ground.

I’m trying to learn the distinction also. its like throwing darts at a wall. I think the simple answer is that scum will try to be as inconspicuous as possible. Paying close attention to what a person says and how they say can Give you subtle hints. I’m not good at this yet but a healthy dose of skepticism will help you start to weed out leading clues vs gibberish. It’s not rocket surgery but it does take some practice.

Applying your thought process here, have you uncovered subtle hints in what people are saying? And would agree that applying this logic to your own posts would read them as scummy?

Gibus you’re like a ping pong ball with your votes. It’s looking sloppy and thoughtless. At some point I’m going to ask you to justify that. Are you prepared to do that?

This is a weird question. Why not ask him to justify them now? This feels like you have clocked an easy push and are just holding back for an opportune moment.

Lilith hasn’t posted much lately, has she? I wonder why. Ive been suspicious of her without being able to collect my thoughts or any evidence (if in fact there is any) against her yet.

This happened 7 irl days ago, and over HALF the game ago. Yet they have still done nothing with this. Where is the evidence Freddie? Where are the reads?

So reading Freddie I don't find scum hunting, it is mostly excuses and questions about site stuff. There is very little pushes or curiosity. I also read through their ISO of Newbie 1997 and they feel very different there. For one, they replaced into that game and have nearly as many posts there as they do here. And in that game, they don't seem nearly as lost and unsure, constantly pursuing things and asking questions. This really feels like scum that doesn't know what to say.

VOTE: Freddiethelady

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Votato you played in 1997, how do you feel Freddie's play here compares to there?

[wavesarc]

I think people have been really quick to write off gibus as "newbtown" but I don't really see much progression in his posts or attempts to solve the game. His wagon disintegrated scarily fast. Is everyone just agreeing on "newbtown" here?

It fell apart because Copykat brought him to L-1 with a bad vote tho? Usually the first L-1 wagon falls apart fast?

[votato]

freddie's play is pretty similar here. i chalk it up to being new rather than being scum. if shes scum it will become clear later on. theres no need for a day 1 lynch either way, but im thinking its a town slot.

[Nauci]

It's impossible to know if Freddie is genuinely afraid of interacting with Formerfish or if it's a faked reaction because there's every bit of genuine reason to do feel that way.

I would think that once the initial act of my play being dropped and me playing in earnest that there would need to be a revisiting of me and my slot because it could be read in a different light now.

Don't enable peoples inability to make reads on people.

You mean it would warrant a revisiting of your slot by Freddie?

I agree with that

[Nauci]

So it's scummy of me to question why a replacement is getting piled on when they haven't caught up yet

Okay but like I've talked about my case on the slot many times

You weren't the one who voted Tux to l-2 right after tux asked for time to catch up.

So do you think that Gibus and I had different motivations for voting?

[Nauci]

So reading Freddie I don't find scum hunting, it is mostly excuses and questions about site stuff. There is very little pushes or curiosity. I also read through their ISO of Newbie 1997 and they feel very different there. For one, they replaced into that game and have nearly as many posts there as they do here. And in that game, they don't seem nearly as lost and unsure, constantly pursuing things and asking questions. This really feels like scum that doesn't know what to say.

VOTE: Freddiethelady

maybe it's confbias but I feel like this was going for low hanging fruit

[Formerfish]

UNVOTE: fish

Here Gib unvotes me.

Fish, what do you think about copykat?

Then asks me how i feel about Copy/Tux

VOTE: CopyKat (Tuxedo Mask)
Back at L-2

Almost immediately votes Tux back to l-2 with no reasoning given.

So I wonder to myself, "Hey dickhead, when did gib ever mention a sr on copy? Put down the bowl and iso this muppet."

So i did, and found this as being the most recent read on copy, a nice blue town lean.

My read list right now from town to scum

[gibus, votato, feathers]

[CopyKat, ironcat]

[brassherald, Freddie]

[Formerfish, lilith2013]

CopyKat -> His initial townread on votato made sense. I like how he hopped on to my wagon when I made an unclear post which could've been seen as a scum slip without hesitation. He hasn't been anti-town in any of his posts. He hasn't been here for long so with the current information I put him in blue.

ironcat -> His paranoia in RVS strikes me as town. I don't agree with his recent list (#368) but his ISO seems to me like he is trying to help as town (apart from his fights). I didn't know about "bussing", and since I scumread fish, I townread ironcat a little bit more.

brassherald -> I'm neutral because he hasn't posted much and I don't like how he voted copykat for hopping on the wagon (I found copykat's reason sensible) while he hopped onto my wagon because my posts seem "off".

Freddie -> I have't seen much of him. Hence neutral.

Formerfish -> #227 for scumread.

lilith2013 -> I didn't like your interaction with fish. You didn't mention any of his posts in your recap (#351) and you accuse him of first throwing shade on your slot and then WhiteKnighting you, neither of which I think he did (I didn't see #412 when I posted this, I take this back. I now put you in yellow.). I also disagree with #372, where you hop on the copykat wagon because he hopped on my wagon (sensible reason).

Huh, where did that vote on copy even come from?

[Formerfish]

So do you think that Gibus and I had different motivations for voting?

The above wall was in response to this question.

What do you see Gibs motivation to be? What was yours?

[wavesarc]

Not in love with lilith's progression from the gibus wagon to...the wagon that immediately followed it on copykat, but her thoughts on ironcat seem genuine.

[wavesarc]

@everyone that is townreading votato: why?

VOTE: votato btw

[votato]

eggs, plain.

[Formerfish]

eggs, plain.

I got a nice picante salsa to put on my eggs, a little sour cream, some cheese, chorizo, hmmmm....

[Formerfish]

And of course im lazy so im making french bread pizza for dinner.

And when i say make, i mean throw in the oven and hope i dont forget about it.

[lilith2013]

@everyone that is townreading votato: why?

VOTE: votato btw

I liked votato’s mid-early posts where he was questioning people townreading him too easily, which is something I think scum would be afraid to do (especially someone newer to the game). Haven’t really seen much since then from that slot that pushes my read one way or the other so I’m still at a townlean. What have you seen that led to you scumreading votato?

[Tuxedo Mask]

freddie's play is pretty similar here. i chalk it up to being new rather than being scum. if shes scum it will become clear later on. theres no need for a day 1 lynch either way, but im thinking its a town slot.

I don't see it, but I didn't live that game. Only going by what they said in their iso, which seemed more probing and present. Can you explain the similarities here?

@everyone that is townreading votato: why?

VOTE: votato btw

They seem at ease and comfortable, making jokes, having fun, but pushing reads and going after things that grab their interest. They also haven't done anything I find objectionable.

[wavesarc]

I don't like his behavior around the gibus wagon--he's scumreading copykat at this point, but doesn't vote for her until the momentum shifts from gibus to her.

It fits into his pattern of behavior so far this game--his posts lack content, and really a lot of his early stuff was just answering questions. I agree that the townreading questioning is something scum could be afraid to do, but I also don't think it's a big risk--it's just a lot of WIFOM tbh. I think votato's general vibe has been pretty cheeky and that he would be comfortable saying something like that.

[wavesarc]

I don't think votato has been pushing much at all. At least not in a way that would cause major direction. He's really just gone after low hanging fruit: feathers at the beginning, ironcat when they were in their feelings, copykat after her L-1 vote.

[Tuxedo Mask]

maybe it's confbias but I feel like this was going for low hanging fruit

Can you go more in-depth on your town read of Freddie?

Freddiethelady - Just feels like newbtown to me; I think there would be much more detectable anxiety if newbscum

I do pick up on anxiety in their slot, their reason for ignoring Fish being a big one. I think they're getting an easy pass and taking it, there has been lots of stuff going on that they aren't engaging with and have actively put off developing their own reads for most of the game.

[wavesarc]

I think freddie's reaction makes sense as someone who has a reserved personality and was turned off by ironmask and formerfish.