You have a point about outing all the PRs. Still, it's sub optimal scum play to claim VT there.In post 798, Battle Mage wrote:i'm fine with marashu claiming, only on the proviso that if he claims vanilla we actually lynch him. I'm fking sick of these setups where we just run up a bunch of people and out all the PRs.
What's the benefit of not voting someone out today?In post 825, Nash wrote:You have a point about outing all the PRs. Still, it's sub optimal scum play to claim VT there.In post 798, Battle Mage wrote:i'm fine with marashu claiming, only on the proviso that if he claims vanilla we actually lynch him. I'm fking sick of these setups where we just run up a bunch of people and out all the PRs.
VOTE: NO ELIMINATION is the best alternative because we can't risk losing mechanical info like you said.
I think Mara is town with that claim. Scum claiming VT instead of a PR when 798 was made is very anti scum. What's the benefit of eliminating town?In post 826, Tuxedo Mask wrote:What's the benefit of not voting someone out today?In post 825, Nash wrote:You have a point about outing all the PRs. Still, it's sub optimal scum play to claim VT there.In post 798, Battle Mage wrote:i'm fine with marashu claiming, only on the proviso that if he claims vanilla we actually lynch him. I'm fking sick of these setups where we just run up a bunch of people and out all the PRs.
VOTE: NO ELIMINATION is the best alternative because we can't risk losing mechanical info like you said.
No. This gets us no info and no info gets us beaten.In post 825, Nash wrote:You have a point about outing all the PRs. Still, it's sub optimal scum play to claim VT there.In post 798, Battle Mage wrote:i'm fine with marashu claiming, only on the proviso that if he claims vanilla we actually lynch him. I'm fking sick of these setups where we just run up a bunch of people and out all the PRs.
VOTE: NO ELIMINATION is the best alternative because we can't risk losing mechanical info like you said.
Makes sense, but having a VT claim at the end of the day is beneficial and most probableIn post 828, Tuxedo Mask wrote:I guess what's the benefit of not voting someone out over not killing Marashu anyways? I get the hesitation to not out PRs but like if you look at it logically if that's your hang up then no elimination should just be your stance day 1 or Marashu sort of must to die, right?
P:edit I think Marashu has a good chance to be town too, but with the logic that it's antiscum to not faow claim that means there is a very slim chance that trying to vote someone out day 1 doesn't result in the death of a pr, right?
Either you hit scum and they fake claim, likely outing the real pr.
You hit pr outing them.
Or you hit VT narrowing the the POE for scum. That's also assuming scum don't have some reason that they'd want to do a VT claim here.
I just mean if that's why you want to no elimination, I feel you should have always wanted it over any votes as there is no path that doesn't lead us here or to a dead pr. Scum aren't going to claim scum after all.
Knowing Mara is most likely town is good info by itself, I think? Treating Mara as conftown will force scum to kill him at some point, which is good for us.In post 829, Aristophanes wrote:No. This gets us no info and no info gets us beaten.In post 825, Nash wrote:You have a point about outing all the PRs. Still, it's sub optimal scum play to claim VT there.In post 798, Battle Mage wrote:i'm fine with marashu claiming, only on the proviso that if he claims vanilla we actually lynch him. I'm fking sick of these setups where we just run up a bunch of people and out all the PRs.
VOTE: NO ELIMINATION is the best alternative because we can't risk losing mechanical info like you said.
We flip Mara. The vt claim is fine.
If there is no good alternative wagon we stick it out at this point, even if they are town.
Gives me a bad outlook on Looker, Worce and you. But I like your unvote, so just the other two. I'd like to hear why PP has a townlean on LookerIn post 831, Tuxedo Mask wrote:I actually think I like Nash's plan.
@Nash, so assume Marashu flipped town just now. What dies that tell you?
I'm surprised by how confident some of y'all suddenly are in town!Marashu. To me this paragraph screams LAMIST.In post 802, Marashu wrote:Well, I am claiming VT, so what happens happens. My elimination might not be a bad thing in that regard (except for the fact that it's a miselimination), because it should at least give context to my wagon and some of the reads on me. I'd rather be an early miseliminationthan than a late miselimination, and more than either I want to win, so if my elimination helps town get the info we need to win, then so be it.
In post 793, Aristophanes wrote:They should crumb their hide each day before deadline in an obvious enough way (while remaining covert).
I'm trying to prompt you into giving more detail on your sr of Marashu than that he didn't signpost a progression.In post 712, Looker wrote:I think it's informing when we have two major wagons going on at the same time. At the time of my vote, it was Marashu vs PenguinPower - I think Marashu is more likely to flip scum than PenguinPower.
I don't see how "I think I've come around on" this person is an explanation.
EBWOPIn post 838, Deimos27 wrote:Aristophanes who's your ideallynchelimination? You were defending Marashu quite adamantly there for a few pages and now you want to flip him.
This is actually very true. There's a 10% drop in our chances if we no eliminate today assuming mountainous even with a conftown.In post 842, Deimos27 wrote: No eliminating is almost always -EV in mafia, at least D1. This is the only time town controls who dies, and the only time there's a chance of killing scum. No eliminating denies so much info on the flip and surrounding wagon analysis. This is especially unacceptable to me since my playstyle relies on VC/wagon analysis.