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[Dunnstral]

I was on my phone so I couldn't investigate thoroughly.

I feel trolled.

VOTE: Hoopla

Why are you scumreading Hoopla, again?

[Hoopla]

@bella

when i declared the wagon of 371 town, it was this;

geraintm (5): UnaBombaH, Galron, popopopopopopo, Hoopla, bob3141

una was amongst my town bloc i had established at the time, and bob i believed was town based on early-wagon science. his behaviour since then has solidified it; though this hadn't happened yet.

in this point of the game, i had town-read popo of a single post; his pressuring and interrogation of klick; not an easy target. this wasn't an amazing reason to townbin popo, but early in the game i will townbin people off single posts if i detect a higher than random chance if i see it coming from town. you'll note at the time in post 368 i was even considering town-bloc'ing him - i wanted to see his reaction to that. i have since reduced my town-read on him due to body-of-work problems.

as for galron; i remember warming to the idea that he was town in post 261, after he revealed his town-list, which largely aligned with how i was seeing the game.

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i hope this answers your question, bella.

[Klick]

bob3141

notscience

geraintm

UnaBombaH
Replacement for Sujimichi

Klick

Bellaphant

Emperor flippyNips
Galron

Hoopla

popopopopopopo

Isis

Dunnstral

Green = friends
Black = neutral
Red = randomly passive-agressive

Tell me if I'm wrong

You'd be wrong irt Isis, unless you're counting the italics as townreads, in which case I townread almost everyone in this game.
And yeah, my scumreads are Hoopla and slots that I don't think are town via PoE (which tends to correlate with lurking).

I suppose I'm missing your point, unless it was just to complain about the playerlist again.

[notscience]

Klick idk how confident I feel anymore

[Isis]

I was on my phone so I couldn't investigate thoroughly.

I feel trolled.

VOTE: Hoopla

it was a sincere post.

I was responding to Dunnstral, I didn't preview edit

[Dunnstral]

it has been my real life birthday recently,

we know, it shows the cake on your profile

Hoopla's account, uniquely across site, is rigged to always show it as both her scumday and birthday

Also I knew this, it was what is known as a joke

[Isis]

VOTE: Hoopla

Hoopla is who I'd most like to exile.
The way she describes her mens rea with respect having more doubts based on a previous town roll seems like the way mafia would describe the information rather than how town would, even though it's the same information. It's a little bit hard to explain and an intuition thing but it's come up more than one time. I wouldn't be too prideful to deadsheep her if wrong but she's very much front of the pack for me.

At dunnstral's request

I also think Una is an awful but convenient townread

[Hoopla]

next questions;

I think a claim from hoopla would be good given all the people that scumread her.

i am happy to claim if the town agrees this is the best way forward.

You go on to cite myself and notty as the two most likely suspects on your wagon. I largely began the call to wagon you (although Isis voted you first), and notty hopped on towards the end but specifically has made the same observation as you here that your wagon took off fast, and has been the most hesitant to continue on with your wagon.

So how does this stand as reasoning from your point of view? What scum caused the wagon to rapidly accelerate? Because if it was town that caused it, that has no bearing on your alignment.

not sure. i'm still reevaluating the best way to find scum on d1. historically, i never used to try and would favour utility-executing weaker/negative EV players, to give the town a better chance on future days. i believe(d?) in that process.

recently, i've been trying to improve on d1 and actually scumhunt. i have trouble believing in d1 accuracy, but i am trying. it isn't a game if people don't try. i have observed it is easiest to read people in relationship to my own alignment (since that is the only one i know).

the speed of my wagon was so fast, i assumed it must have scum involvement. where on the wagon specifically i can't say - it could be anywhere. that is why i attempted to break down the votes behaviourally (as documented in post 653).

[Isis]

I pushed hardest omgus scumread me hoopsidaisies

[Dunnstral]

I'm used to seeing Isis play cool and collected as scum, so seeing her flail around as much as I do is a fresh experience

[Fredrick A Campbell]

@mod, can emporer get a prod?

Emperor flippyNips has been prodded. He has (expired on 2020-07-13 20:04:00) to post in thread before I start looking for a replacement. If he posts before I have found a replacement, he can stay.

[Isis]

I'm used to seeing Isis play cool and collected as scum, so seeing her flail around as much as I do is a fresh experience

Why doesn't that make you rethink your hypothesis?

[Hoopla]

Then why did you find it odd/suspicious in the first place when you weren't on the same page with myself and notty?

i found it odd because i have been nursing paranoid theories of you and/or notscience being scum. too much of an overlap on reads d1 makes me suspect there is scum towing a party line & blending in, rather than legitimately trying to solve the game.

[UnaBombaH]

Okay..?
So Hoopla has been having...substancive..changes to their play recently, eh? Eh?

[Dunnstral]

I don't get it

[UnaBombaH]

I do not understand that Isis unvote -> revote.
I thought I got the unvote until they revoted with...words.

I still think Galrons stance on this wagon / my vote on Hoopla makes little sense to me.
They are either thinking Hoopla is going to flip scum -> me joining the wagon means something OR they are thinking Hoopla is going to flip town -> me joining the wagon means something ELSE.
You can't just say my way of joining the wagon was the scummiest (or however it was phrased) without considering the implications Hooplas flip is going to give.
Or I mean, you CAN, but then you'd be arguing that no matter what Hoopla flips, I'm the bad guy here.

I don't think that's a rational way to read things.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't get it

You don't?
I thought I was making a pun of sorts.

[Dunnstral]

I do not understand that Isis unvote -> revote.
I thought I got the unvote until they revoted with...words.

They were scared I'd.... WHAM

[UnaBombaH]

Is that sort of the same thing where you are just strolling along, minding your own business..BAM

[Hoopla]

screw it, for the sake of moving the game on, i am just going to claim rather than await consent.

i was hoping i wouldn't have to, but it's clear my play has been poor enough this game, that i don't really have an option.

i am an even-night friendly neighbour.

i've been playing in a way that i was hoping was balanced enough to avoid the execution and the night kill, but in the end i have done neither due to my schizophrenic behaviour. please forgive the complete mismanagement of my role. this isn't how i was hoping things would go.

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

[Isis]

I'm proud of me, that's probably a scum fakeclaim, but mechanically correct to leave alive here.

[Isis]

If you're town I'm sorry I pushed a fun role to L-1, except maybe not really because new stats show FN is the most replace-out role in newbie queue! isn't that cool?

[Dunnstral]

So let's vote someone who is neutral to Hoopla's alignment

I'll start us off

VOTE: popopopopo

[Isis]

I'm drinking top shelf stuff rn ama