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Because in my mind it's all part of the same vibe but I guess i didnt explain it sufficiently so i'm trying to again in a different wat

In post 825, skitter30 wrote:Because in my mind it's all part of the same vibe but I guess i didnt explain it sufficiently so i'm trying to again in a different wat

In post 823, Something_Smart wrote:skitter can you link some posts this game that give you the impression that lilith doesn't want to post and explain why you think that?

Later tonight, ya, dont wanna do this on my phone

grrrrr

In post 825, skitter30 wrote:Because in my mind it's all part of the same vibe but I guess i didnt explain it sufficiently so i'm trying to again in a different wat

This is something I experience a lot as town and would be unlikely for scum to think to fake

fine w/ getting a claim given we're somewhere close to halfway thru the day but also have something else i'm writing up

let's really drill down here on this catchup post, since most seem to have basically glossed over it:

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:skitter30
Goes on and on about mechanics
viewtopic.php?p=12269004#p12269004 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12269130#p12269130 - townish
viewtopic.php?p=12269382#p12269382 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12269784#p12269784 - townie
viewtopic.php?p=12272139#p12272139 - solid town
viewtopic.php?p=12272187#p12272187 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12273335#p12273335 - so town
viewtopic.php?p=12273657#p12273657 - so so town

325 - "I dont think jv's comment is as bad as its being made out to be". seems not particularly alignment indicative either way. 331 - about lilith, "forgot she was at the top of the draft", "Doesnt mean i cant wagon her". again, not seeing how this is AI. 338, wagoning lilith for lack of townie things is fine (i agreed but wanted to wait for her to come back and see what she said). didn't care for her talking about how she anticipated lilith's reactions would be insightful, but probably more a stylistic nitpick than anything. 364 is just "It doesnt feel scummy to me" and i fail to see how that's a towntell. that's a very easy thing to say as either alignment. 416 431 - these brief lines keep getting called town when taken by themselves they don't really mean anything. 627 is, okay, i can see maybe talking about how the wagon has little chance of succeeding as town. but then, 655 again doesn't strike me as AI. "ignore numbers and focus on whoever we think is scum" is a basic and easy statement to make. i don't suspect skitter but i wouldn't argue she's town based on these posts

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:TheGoldenParadox
viewtopic.php?p=12270553#p12270553 - Loving this entry post
viewtopic.php?p=12270630#p12270630 - I was just thinking that myself
viewtopic.php?p=12272420#p12272420 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12272463#p12272463 - Exactly
viewtopic.php?p=12273476#p12273476 - town

really, loving the entry post 370 about the lilith wagon feeling "manufactured" when DGB comes away town-readign most of the people voting there and scum-reading lilith? that tgp post is , looking back on it, because they criticize the wagon but then say they like skitter and uncrowned, who...are both on the lilith wagon. "I was just thinking that myself" to 372 is very odd especially considering tgp shortly after admitted his read of lilith there wasn't serious. 494 doesn't strike me as an especially town post. one sentence, one player is scummier than the other, other sentence i reevaluated a read and downgraded it. 503 is scumreading hoopla for naked voting, which i don't really vibe with, naked voting in and of itself isn't alignment telling to me. 637 is flawed logic but maybe possibly town going down a rabbit hole.

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:Infinity 324
viewtopic.php?p=12266547#p12266547 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12267672#p12267672 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12268836#p12268836 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12272065#p12272065 - bold vote
viewtopic.php?p=12272178#p12272178 - weird
viewtopic.php?p=12272860#p12272860 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12273809#p12273809 - town

117 - "Someone explain to me this uncrowned wagon he's my only townread" is town because ??? 224 - the last person to townread me for being abrasive was scum. i don't think this makes infinity scum i just don't think saying that is a towntell. 319 - "I think s_s is town" is town how??? no explanation, dgb doesn't have him as a townread, i don't get it. 401 hoopla vote is bold because...? 545 calling out jackson for focusing on NAI stuff is good, yes, but dgb doesn't mention those posts, doesn't have jackson as a scumread, so not sure why it's supposed to be town to her. 660 is town because he wants to eliminate hoopla i guess?

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:Uncrowned
viewtopic.php?p=12264984#p12264984 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12265135#p12265135 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12272687#p12272687 - scummish
viewtopic.php?p=12272883#p12272883 - good townie observation

33 is an okay post, 62 i didn't like but it's w/e at this point. 539 is scummish because, what? he's talking to s_s about being paranoid of him? 552 sure, i like that observation. i am more or less around to uncrowned as town just by ongoing strength of contribution even though players with formal posting styles always put me on edge, but most of these aren't posts i would consider AI.

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:Dunnstral
viewtopic.php?p=12269102#p12269102 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12269107#p12269107 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12273267#p12273267 - town

maybe the most puzzling one yet. not sure why him saying the informed choice for mafia is better (329, 613) is a towntell. 330 is slightly town on tone.

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:JacksonVirgo
viewtopic.php?p=12265112#p12265112 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12265116#p12265116 - town

51 54 these strike me as really empty early game posts, why do they read town? they don't read scum to me, they're just kind of...there.

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:Something_Smart
Goes on and on about mechanics
viewtopic.php?p=12268721#p12268721 - VERY town
viewtopic.php?p=12269713#p12269713 - scummish
viewtopic.php?p=12272415#p12272415 - town

312 is fine but not, like, amazingly town. 358 is NAI. 493 is, yeah, pretty town sounding, moreso than some of the posts that have landed people in the upper part of the list.

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:PenguinPower
Is VI - would policy yeet
viewtopic.php?p=12267825#p12267825 - townish
viewtopic.php?p=12273660#p12273660 - scum

doesn't really strike me as a VI as opposed to deliberately inscrutable to a degree. what has he actually said that's village idiot-ish? suggestion he's dangerous enough to be a policy elim is a bit skeevy. town because he dislikes hoopla's vote, scum because he responded angrily to tgp i guess?

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:petapan
viewtopic.php?p=12265262#p12265262 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12268496#p12268496 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12272341#p12272341 - town
viewtopic.php?p=12274293#p12274293 - town LOL

having issues with the first two posts is w/e, but don't see why either of the last two (467 679), especially the second, merits reading as town

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:davesaz
viewtopic.php?p=12268706#p12268706 - revisit later
viewtopic.php?p=12272338#p12272338 - interesting, maybe scum?
Talking a lot of blah blah about numbers
viewtopic.php?p=12274578#p12274578 - useless
A lot of tergiversation

466 - don't agree with the attack on tgp, don't see why it makes him scum.

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:Hoopla
viewtopic.php?p=12264936#p12264936 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12264987#p12264987 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12265108#p12265108 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12266543#p12266543 - :goodposting:
Penguin Power vote is very good
viewtopic.php?p=12268628#p12268628 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12268698#p12268698 - scum
viewtopic.php?p=12273012#p12273012 - :goodreads: except for lilith

34 basically null for hoopla, acted similarly in the most recent pyp. could see someone taking issue with it i guess. 302, 309 - otherwise scum for following my vote onto jackson? sum total here doesn't look like a solid scumread. thought hoopla's posting was fine except the reasoning for some things on her readlist (576) seems pretty daft. also don't understand how you can call someone's readlist goodreads minus one person, and have them as scum. wouldn't net total of agreement outweigh the disagreement on a single read? nevermind that lilith is actually toward the bottom part of her list, dunnstral a low read as well, main point of agreement seems to be on fairly popular townreads?

In post 718, DrippingGoofball wrote:lilith2013
Time-wasty posts.
viewtopic.php?p=12272258#p12272258 - useless line of questioning
viewtopic.php?p=12272348#p12272348 - RL excuses
viewtopic.php?p=12272354#p12272354 - bad read
viewtopic.php?p=12272478#p12272478 - frivolous

points against lilith are i'd say but are mostly hitching to what's already a big wagon at this point. also feels weirdly uncharitable to characterize 468 as real life excuses when there are none (and she herself had an RL excuse earlier...)


like, a lot of the names and their placement on the list are but the posts that are supposedly evidence toward these things strike me as not really telling, and are often short fairly non-AI posts (because those were the easiset to read?). this list feels like it was assembled by a random number generator, meant to impress with its size but not really having believable underlying reasoning. don't like this catchup post at all, don't see town making it, if people still have scruples about voting lilith this would be my second choice for a vote

i hate the lillith wagon and we should not force probably the most powerful pr to claim d1 what the hell

like as a pressure wagon sure whatever it was bad but they've been placed at l-1 this is patently ridiculous why are we doing this

I mean scum already knows she’s a powerful PR

In post 830, petapan wrote:like, a lot of the names and their placement on the list are

fine

but the posts that are supposedly evidence toward these things strike me as not really telling, and are often short fairly non-AI posts (because those were the easiset to read?). this list feels like it was assembled by a random number generator, meant to impress with its size but not really having believable underlying reasoning. don't like this catchup post at all, don't see town making it, if people still have scruples about voting lilith this would be my second choice for a vote

i don't really agree with this (especially if it's characteristic for dgb), and i think the real AI of the posts linked is closer to dgb's
interpretation than yours but this entire post looks very town motivated to me

In post 815, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 805, davesaz wrote:VOTE: lilith2013

Wait, I thought you were null reading lilith and we shouldn't elim the top draft slot?

I at least want a claim I think

I said that if we're going to go there we should do it with more time left in the day.
Skitter said she was sure, so I figured we might as well force the issue on that read earlier rather than later.

Why so quick to compromise? We still have 3 days

In post 833, Infinity 324 wrote:I mean scum already knows she’s a powerful PR

and we already know that too, so why are we wagoning her

the scum are already informed of their own roles as well as another thing no one picked and publicizing lillith's role seems like it helps scum

we already know lillith is a powerful pr. for purposes of actually eliminating her, what about her claim helps town?

Force her to make a fakeclaim that locks her in to bad actions, or confirms her as scum.

In post 836, Infinity 324 wrote:Why so quick to compromise? We still have 3 days

It's forcing us to have the discussion on whether the scumread from skitter is real or not, now instead of 3 days from now.
I see quite a good back and forth between S_S and skitter. PP also weighing in on his shared experiences with S_S and lilith.

Actually town doesn’t have a tracker right? Honestly I feel like skitter is confident enough that we maybe just lim lilith here. But I think we should talk about it more.

PEdit: you didn’t need to put it to L-1 though?

@petapan I too am very skeptical of DGB's catchup.

In post 840, Infinity 324 wrote:Actually town doesn’t have a tracker right? Honestly I feel like skitter is confident enough that we maybe just lim lilith here. But I think we should talk about it more.

PEdit: you didn’t need to put it to L-1 though?

Town could have a tracker unless there has been a JK claim I've missed.

The E-1 was a calculated risk. I thought the potential reward in reactions and discussion outweighed the risk.

In post 826, skitter30 wrote:

In post 825, skitter30 wrote:Because in my mind it's all part of the same vibe but I guess i didnt explain it sufficiently so i'm trying to again in a different wat

In post 823, Something_Smart wrote:skitter can you link some posts this game that give you the impression that lilith doesn't want to post and explain why you think that?

Later tonight, ya, dont wanna do this on my phone

In post 837, TheGoldenParadox wrote:

In post 833, Infinity 324 wrote:I mean scum already knows she’s a powerful PR

and we already know that too, so why are we wagoning her

the scum are already informed of their own roles as well as another thing no one picked and publicizing lillith's role seems like it helps scum

we already know lillith is a powerful pr. for purposes of actually eliminating her, what about her claim helps town?

Heya what do u think of my alignment?

In post 840, Infinity 324 wrote:Actually town doesn’t have a tracker right?

wait, what

In post 842, davesaz wrote:

In post 840, Infinity 324 wrote:Actually town doesn’t have a tracker right? Honestly I feel like skitter is confident enough that we maybe just lim lilith here. But I think we should talk about it more.

PEdit: you didn’t need to put it to L-1 though?

Town could have a tracker unless there has been a JK claim I've missed.

The E-1 was a calculated risk. I thought the potential reward in reactions and discussion outweighed the risk.

Sorry, town is unlikely* to have a tracker cause I think JK is a significantly better role.

In post 834, TheGoldenParadox wrote:

In post 830, petapan wrote:like, a lot of the names and their placement on the list are

fine

but the posts that are supposedly evidence toward these things strike me as not really telling, and are often short fairly non-AI posts (because those were the easiset to read?). this list feels like it was assembled by a random number generator, meant to impress with its size but not really having believable underlying reasoning. don't like this catchup post at all, don't see town making it, if people still have scruples about voting lilith this would be my second choice for a vote

i don't really agree with this (especially if it's characteristic for dgb), and i think the real AI of the posts linked is closer to dgb's
interpretation than yours but this entire post looks very town motivated to me

town motivated

In post 840, Infinity 324 wrote:Actually town doesn’t have a tracker right?

this looks like an (actual) scumslip?

In post 843, skitter30 wrote:

In post 826, skitter30 wrote:

In post 825, skitter30 wrote:Because in my mind it's all part of the same vibe but I guess i didnt explain it sufficiently so i'm trying to again in a different wat

In post 823, Something_Smart wrote:skitter can you link some posts this game that give you the impression that lilith doesn't want to post and explain why you think that?

Later tonight, ya, dont wanna do this on my phone

In post 837, TheGoldenParadox wrote:

In post 833, Infinity 324 wrote:I mean scum already knows she’s a powerful PR

and we already know that too, so why are we wagoning her

the scum are already informed of their own roles as well as another thing no one picked and publicizing lillith's role seems like it helps scum

we already know lillith is a powerful pr. for purposes of actually eliminating her, what about her claim helps town?

Heya what do u think of my alignment?

i think town. i don't think scum pushes lillith like you did, so townread on you.

In post 846, petapan wrote:

In post 834, TheGoldenParadox wrote:

In post 830, petapan wrote:like, a lot of the names and their placement on the list are

fine

but the posts that are supposedly evidence toward these things strike me as not really telling, and are often short fairly non-AI posts (because those were the easiset to read?). this list feels like it was assembled by a random number generator, meant to impress with its size but not really having believable underlying reasoning. don't like this catchup post at all, don't see town making it, if people still have scruples about voting lilith this would be my second choice for a vote

i don't really agree with this (especially if it's characteristic for dgb), and i think the real AI of the posts linked is closer to dgb's
interpretation than yours but this entire post looks very town motivated to me

town motivated

how

you analyze her post and make points in a way that resonates with me, even if i disagree with many of those points. the "random number generator" line is a bold-seeming one that looks like town to me.

In post 845, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 842, davesaz wrote:

In post 840, Infinity 324 wrote:Actually town doesn’t have a tracker right? Honestly I feel like skitter is confident enough that we maybe just lim lilith here. But I think we should talk about it more.

PEdit: you didn’t need to put it to L-1 though?

Town could have a tracker unless there has been a JK claim I've missed.

The E-1 was a calculated risk. I thought the potential reward in reactions and discussion outweighed the risk.

Sorry, town is unlikely* to have a tracker cause I think JK is a significantly better role.

oh, maybe not a scumslip. huh.