Reading through day 1, this is some of the stuff that stood out to me.
In post 25, Ivyeo wrote:VOTE: Whemestar
Reasoning is a bit weird, I think putting someone at E-1 is more justifiable than E-2 Tbh. Definitely not a strong push or anything yet
Post 25 is an E-1 vote. I have the impression that Ivy has become a quieter, less wave-making player since the early game, and has a tendency to ask questions rather than state opinions. We'll see if this impression holds out.
In post 31, Ivyeo wrote: In post 27, endlessdark wrote: In post 25, Ivyeo wrote:VOTE: Whemestar
I think putting someone at E-1 is more justifiable than E-2
One precedes the other, though, and doing an E-1 means you agree with E-2. I guess E-2 is a more silent way of pushing an elimination than E-1, but without more context I don't think one is more justifiable than the other.
Fair enough, I guess I didn't think of it like that
UNVOTE:
My thought process was more along the lines of it pushing but not really making it look like your contributing as much.
I don't think anyone really pushed her on why she unvoted here, though E-1 at the top of page 2 is risking an accidental hammer and it's good imo that she did.
In post 36, Lukewarm wrote:VOTE: whemestar
Only person I have gotten scum vibes from. His "voting for the same thing is something we don't want" while simultaneously joining a wagon felt off to me lol.
Btw, today is my husbands birthday, so I probably won't check this forum again until in the morning. Promise to be more after that tho
Noting that Lukewarm ignored the #31 backpedal.
This is a not-partners-with-Ivy post from Saudade if the slot is scum. The way this hit the thread gives me slight townvibes.*
In post 77, Ivyeo wrote: In post 67, Saudade wrote:No no no........................!
it's the need to state the obvious that pinged me
I'm not sure what you mean by this exactly?
In post 79, Ivyeo wrote:He's not neccesarly saying Dark isn't scummy, he's saying you are *more* scummy than dark, we want to execute our most likely scum do we not?
These two posts give the vibe to me of someone who is playing up their uncertainty. Like asking if her mafia-theory is sound, kinda, and ending it on a question makes it easier to take back if needed. Could just be a playstyle thing, but I want to note it.
In post 103, Ivyeo wrote: In post 90, Lukewarm wrote:My scumreads are Whemestar, Ivyeo and Clasko.
Ivyeo does not seem to be contributing much to the conversation, and what they are sending is very wishy-washy. Their messages so far have been a vote, a quick unvote, and then this one:
In post 56, Ivyeo wrote:Whilst I do see the scummyness in Wheme's posts, I'm not sure we want to cut Day 1 discussion to right here.
They just seem like they are being overly cautious, which I feel is more likely with a scum then a town.
Being honest, this mostly comes from being worried because my reads were *basically* 100% wrong last time I played, and I don't want to cause us to lose again. I have some reads but I'm not sure if they hold any water? Like I had bad vibes from Wheme but then their defense made me less confident in that, and now them trying to keep pushing defensively isn't feeling very towny to me, but again that's just kidna vibes and also nothing special for how town has been feeling. I had a town read on Clasko for example, because the whole W/W thing felt good, but also them saying they town lean *both* of them instead of "picking a side" makes me like them less. I still think I need more time to really have anything scum reads at this point, as I feel less sure on Wheme, but part of that may be a thing from the other games I play, as they're generally more strict on behaviorial stuff.
In post 98, endlessdark wrote: In post 84, endlessdark wrote: In post 67, Saudade wrote:No no no........................!
it's the need to state the obvious that pinged me
I'm sleepy and will elaborate further tomorrow, but take into account that she's a newbie. Her posts don't yet strike me as needing-to-state-the-obvious (filler?) in a scummy way.
In post 85, Saudade wrote:No but this tell was usually what newbies fell for while the veteran gods (me) knew to avoid it
If Ivyeo is not an experienced player, I can see stating things in a more-than-necessary clear way as expected. Ivyeo, what's your experience with mafia?
On a Fourm this is my second game, as said earlier first I got Mis-elim'd in F4, and But I'm pretty active in *other* social deduction games such as BoTC, though that feels more information based and less read based. I've also did Video mafia for a few weeks, but stopped as I didn't really vibe with it.
This post, starting out with "Being honest," why bring up honesty, and why be anything but honest as town? "I have some reads but I'm not sure if they hold any water?" finishing with a question.
This post got Luke some blowback
In post 137, Lukewarm wrote:
Yes its page 5 (well 6 now), but we are also on the 6th irl day for our in game Day 1. Maybe I am just not accustomed to the pacing of games on this site, but it feels like we are approaching the point where we just have to pick someone. Like there is only so much info we can really gain in day 1 until we force someone to claim, no?
I am getting pretty antsy for us to l-1 someone just so we can gain new info. Force someone to claim their role, then decide if we want to actually hammer the person based on what they claim. I mean if we wait to much longer, then if we L-1 someone, and decide we shouldn't hammer them, we won't even have long to form a new wagon.
I am not necessarily saying that I think it needs to be you, I would be happy for us to L-1 anyone on my scumread list tbh, so for now, I am gonna be on the biggest wagon between Whemestar, Ivyeo and Clasko.
VOTE: Ivyeo because I have sat on the Whemestar wagon for a while, and the Ivyeo wagon is the same size, so might as well mix it up lol
He's not saying that he wants to run people up one at a time and get claims. The reasoning to move votes is pretty lame, though. He said that Ivy is wishywashy, which I think is a fair way to characterize her play at this point in the game.
I'm kinda meh about being willing to vote any of three people in a 9 p game on page 6(?). I know the game moved really, really slowly, but I feel like that should have made people want more data, not to settle in on a wagon.
In post 143, Lukewarm wrote: In post 139, Demainer wrote:I don't understand why we need role claims so early in the game, it's only going to hurt town? Unless there are special mechanics in this setup I'm not aware of.
No, I do not want multiple people to claim their roles, but I do think that it is important that we vote someone before the day is over, but there are quite a few steps to get us from here to there.
First we L-1 the person we most suspect to be scum, at which point that person (
and only that person
), should claim their role. Then we either hammer that person, or if their claim causes us to rethink the vote, we have to target someone else.
To me (and again, it might just be a different pacing on this site then what I am used to) it seems like we have hit a point where we are just treading water, and at some point we need to pick a direction to go. I don't want us to tread water so long that we don't have time to go through all of the steps, especially if we decide to rethink the vote.
This post gave me a sense that Luke is a methodical player. I wonder if I've been calling the method logic erroneously. The three scumreads weren't very deeply thought out, though it is 6 pages in. It's hard to believe the game had been going on for days. 6 pages is slow-posting for the first 24 hours in a lot of games, much less nearly a week.
I Like Ivy's posts at the bottom of page 6. That was some nice pushback on Luke.
In post 152, Lukewarm wrote: In post 148, Ivyeo wrote:UNVOTE:
Actually on second thought, I want to hear more form Luke here first before placing my vote
You know, this somehow makes me think you are less likely to be scum. Which is weird because, I scum read you at first for being wishy-washy, but now I am going to town read you for the same thing lol. When you voted Whemestar, I was surprised to see someone who previously seemed wishy washy, to suddenly commit and agree with me.
But then you unvoted, so your wishy-washy-ness is at least consistent
I think I'm actually removing you from my list of scum reads, and I'm down to Whemestar and Clasko. Those two would actually work as a pair, with Clasko's logic that confused me actually being an attempt to pull suspicion off of Whemestar.
Clasko and Whemestar were incorrect reads. Not sure why I want to note that, just a feeling that Luke has had some wrong positions in the game but he hasn't seemed to be shaken by that. I dunno, the game almost always faces forward and regrets and apologies are for postgame.
In post 157, Saudade wrote: In post 137, Lukewarm wrote:
Yes its page 5 (well 6 now), but we are also on the 6th irl day for our in game Day 1. Maybe I am just not accustomed to the pacing of games on this site, but it feels like we are approaching the point where we just have to pick someone. Like there is only so much info we can really gain in day 1 until we force someone to claim, no?
I am getting pretty antsy for us to l-1 someone just so we can gain new info. Force someone to claim their role, then decide if we want to actually hammer the person based on what they claim. I mean if we wait to much longer, then if we L-1 someone, and decide we shouldn't hammer them, we won't even have long to form a new wagon.
I am not necessarily saying that I think it needs to be you, I would be happy for us to L-1 anyone on my scumread list tbh, so for now, I am gonna be on the biggest wagon between Whemestar, Ivyeo and Clasko.
VOTE: Ivyeo because I have sat on the Whemestar wagon for a while, and the Ivyeo wagon is the same size, so might as well mix it up lol
This is an excellent post, like, this guy is town
^^ This post could be a partnery thing, though I got the impression that Saudade tends to ignore teammates as scum. It's hard to ignore people in a 9p game, though.
In post 158, Saudade wrote:In a dead/dying gamestate the person who livens it up by being proactive is 99% of the time town
I liked this post. Some of Saudade's were part of the reason I didn't want to scumread Bell initially. I really expected us to sort each other quickly and move on from there if he was town.
In post 163, Saudade wrote:Wheme and Luke are townleans for me lets go we might get a win here yet
Not supporting the Wheme wagon here would have been anti-scum-wincon I think, though there was still time to ove things around.
In post 166, Ivyeo wrote: In post 164, Clasko wrote: In post 86, Clasko wrote:I'm forming opinions on others that I don't want to give words to just yet. Stay tuned.
- Ivyeo: - /M - Too back and forth on WhemeStar now, especially after the interaction with Lukewarm.
Whilst I am somewhat back and forth, my logic for it is consistent. My most recent vote on Wheme I took back because I didn't really have a strong reason to have a vote on him. It's more a gut feeling than anything so I decided I didn't want to be voting based on that. Tomorrow I plan to go back through some ISOs to try to form a more solid opinion, as I currently don't have a definite idea of who I'd want to go for.
This post is kind of a promise to do more <tomorrow> in the way of figuring out where she wants her vote. She was also hesitant to figure out what she wanted to do with her vote at the end of day 2, also.
And she's playing her cards super close to her vest here, and I think it might be because she's not gotten any pressure to speak of today. She's not out of the frame. Ivy needs to step it up and be readable before tomorrow if the game doesn't crash today.
Quoting this because
In post 169, Egix96 wrote:WhemeStar
33 - Minor town vibes, especially considering that the thread atmosphere so far this game has mainly felt like one where scum would find it easy to point out something scummy.
54 - I don't really feel like Wheme has been overly defensive, and I think that the attitude shown here is justified by
71.
106,
118 - I find it a bit odd that Wheme goes from being "confused" by endlessdark's frustration comment to thinking it "sounded made up and fake". By which I mean, if you always thought it was fake then why would it confuse you?
125 ->
128 - I think that this argument is fine.
Also, a thought that's been brewing in the back of my mind is that, so far, the gamestate has mainly felt like it's a case of "Wheme is going to be yeeted D1, but we can't drop the hammer yet because we still need to allow plenty of time for discussion."
The issue is that there still hasn't been a huge wealth of discussion, which implies that scum are content with this gamestate. Yes, Wheme has been defending himself, but why has seemingly no one else made a solid effort to divert attention elsewhere?
I want to think on the bolded.
In post 175, endlessdark wrote: In post 163, Saudade wrote:Wheme and Luke are townleans for me lets go we might get a win here yet
I can't find rationale for townreading Wheme in any of your posts, did I miss it?
This was a good callout of Saudade's Wheme read.
In post 253, Lukewarm wrote:@Mod I am a little unsure about the dead line after reading your last update. It said you were adding 24 hours, but the countdown is still pointing to the day ending in 3 hours. I don't want to mess up just because I don't understand the timer
If they day ends in 3 hours, I would like to hammer Whemestar now, because I'm off to bed and will not be back on before the dead line
VOTE: timer dependent, whemestar
If we still have 27 hours, then :
WhemeStar I am prepared to hammer when I log on tomorrow, so go ahead and claim your role.
It's interesting that this contingent vote was allowed without comment from the mod. It's not something generally done at MS.
In post 271, Lukewarm wrote: In post 270, Ahri wrote:
hey newer players i'll probably post a full death message upon 5 hours but if you're planning on hammering me b4 then just type smth like
INTENT TO HAMMER
I unvoted from you, so you are not longer at e-1
When I logged on today, both whemestar and ahri were at e-1, but no one else has stated an intent to hammer. This leads me to believe that one of the two of you is most likely actually scum (and that person's partner is already targeting the other person).
I am not as confident as you can possibly be on day 1, that either you or Ahri are scum (and that their partner is already on the other person's wagon).
And if I am comparing the two of you, I am more suspicious of you. So I INTEND TO HAMMER you today.
Another signpost that things are not always what they seem. Not living in the thread during these last hours, the two wagons don't feel as stagnant as all that.
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coming around to a Saudade/Bell/unwnd townread is going to be a huge uphill struggle if it happens. Rereading the early game is reminding me why I thought Saudade-scum might N1K Ahri (apparently know each other/Epic Mafia playstyles). His posts feel more town than not, though.
