Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:09 pm
Really don't think that all the wagons yesterday were pure however
i mean the people who were wagonsIn post 825, fwogcarf wrote:Really don't think that all the wagons yesterday were pure however
i mean the people who were wagonsIn post 825, fwogcarf wrote:Really don't think that all the wagons yesterday were pure however
I've switched to a keyboard but I won't out my other explanations because it seems their existence is redundant.In post 823, ofmercia wrote:This shows me you're town, I can see the reasoning from your POV. I just disagree about your solve.In post 817, Frogsterking wrote:In order from most to least significant explanations of my Progo read:
1) Progo's activity levels maintaining consistency up to this point indicate continued or elevated interest in this situation of the game; a situation where at least half the Town is bickering, clueless and/or inactive and the conclusion of the day seems inevitable and unpromising. This is the type of situation where activity tells invert start to become inverted because town are becoming less motivated and scum are becoming motivated.
2) Progo's read on my slot from D1 to now is contrived and lacking in depth. I believe Progo's interpretations of my play is a response to the outted reads of the players Progo is planning to leave alive. Progo believes you and Kitty will be less likely to trust me because of my accusations and attempts to solve the game, and became more emboldened once Kitty made it clear today they would hammer me over Strange if given the choice.
I believe if players were less trusting of Norwee or Kitty for example, Progo would have outted with different reads which are convenient to that situation.
I have more reasons but I need to switch to my laptop because this is taking too long without a keyboard.
Yeah you understand the urgency, so why are you trying to change the wagon. Fwog is showing great valor here in this last ditch defense but he's having to resort to lies like mistaking 3 votes, with a big blue vote count, with 5 votes (a hammer btw). Is that actually believable to you?In post 827, Frogsterking wrote:I've switched to a keyboard but I won't out my other explanations because it seems their existence is redundant.In post 823, ofmercia wrote:This shows me you're town, I can see the reasoning from your POV. I just disagree about your solve.In post 817, Frogsterking wrote:In order from most to least significant explanations of my Progo read:
1) Progo's activity levels maintaining consistency up to this point indicate continued or elevated interest in this situation of the game; a situation where at least half the Town is bickering, clueless and/or inactive and the conclusion of the day seems inevitable and unpromising. This is the type of situation where activity tells invert start to become inverted because town are becoming less motivated and scum are becoming motivated.
2) Progo's read on my slot from D1 to now is contrived and lacking in depth. I believe Progo's interpretations of my play is a response to the outted reads of the players Progo is planning to leave alive. Progo believes you and Kitty will be less likely to trust me because of my accusations and attempts to solve the game, and became more emboldened once Kitty made it clear today they would hammer me over Strange if given the choice.
I believe if players were less trusting of Norwee or Kitty for example, Progo would have outted with different reads which are convenient to that situation.
I have more reasons but I need to switch to my laptop because this is taking too long without a keyboard.
There is an urgency for you to reconsider your solve now ofmercia because Kitty's townread of Strange will cost town the game. Once the player count drops to 5 with 2 scum it's unlikely you will win even with strong play.
Yes fwog's show of valor is townie, it's very difficult to motivate yourself to convince another human of a downright lie when the group is already accusing you of lying. This is why Strange is struggling to even attempt to do anything in this game, and that's with far less pressure than fwog is experiencing.In post 828, ofmercia wrote:Yeah you understand the urgency, so why are you trying to change the wagon. Fwog is showing great valor here in this last ditch defense but he's having to resort to lies like mistaking 3 votes, with a big blue vote count, with 5 votes (a hammer btw). Is that actually believable to you?In post 827, Frogsterking wrote:I've switched to a keyboard but I won't out my other explanations because it seems their existence is redundant.In post 823, ofmercia wrote:This shows me you're town, I can see the reasoning from your POV. I just disagree about your solve.In post 817, Frogsterking wrote:In order from most to least significant explanations of my Progo read:
1) Progo's activity levels maintaining consistency up to this point indicate continued or elevated interest in this situation of the game; a situation where at least half the Town is bickering, clueless and/or inactive and the conclusion of the day seems inevitable and unpromising. This is the type of situation where activity tells invert start to become inverted because town are becoming less motivated and scum are becoming motivated.
2) Progo's read on my slot from D1 to now is contrived and lacking in depth. I believe Progo's interpretations of my play is a response to the outted reads of the players Progo is planning to leave alive. Progo believes you and Kitty will be less likely to trust me because of my accusations and attempts to solve the game, and became more emboldened once Kitty made it clear today they would hammer me over Strange if given the choice.
I believe if players were less trusting of Norwee or Kitty for example, Progo would have outted with different reads which are convenient to that situation.
I have more reasons but I need to switch to my laptop because this is taking too long without a keyboard.
There is an urgency for you to reconsider your solve now ofmercia because Kitty's townread of Strange will cost town the game. Once the player count drops to 5 with 2 scum it's unlikely you will win even with strong play.
In my opinion what's happening with fwog here is that they became complacent and waited too long to solve the game. Now faced with the threat of loss fwog is motivated into action, but the time pressure and the accusations of the other players are making the solve much more difficult than if they had started much earlier in the game.In post 832, Frogsterking wrote:Yes fwog's show of valor is townie, it's very difficult to motivate yourself to convince another human of a downright lie when the group is already accusing you of lying. This is why Strange is struggling to even attempt to do anything in this game, and that's with far less pressure than fwog is experiencing.In post 828, ofmercia wrote:Yeah you understand the urgency, so why are you trying to change the wagon. Fwog is showing great valor here in this last ditch defense but he's having to resort to lies like mistaking 3 votes, with a big blue vote count, with 5 votes (a hammer btw). Is that actually believable to you?In post 827, Frogsterking wrote:I've switched to a keyboard but I won't out my other explanations because it seems their existence is redundant.In post 823, ofmercia wrote:This shows me you're town, I can see the reasoning from your POV. I just disagree about your solve.In post 817, Frogsterking wrote:In order from most to least significant explanations of my Progo read:
1) Progo's activity levels maintaining consistency up to this point indicate continued or elevated interest in this situation of the game; a situation where at least half the Town is bickering, clueless and/or inactive and the conclusion of the day seems inevitable and unpromising. This is the type of situation where activity tells invert start to become inverted because town are becoming less motivated and scum are becoming motivated.
2) Progo's read on my slot from D1 to now is contrived and lacking in depth. I believe Progo's interpretations of my play is a response to the outted reads of the players Progo is planning to leave alive. Progo believes you and Kitty will be less likely to trust me because of my accusations and attempts to solve the game, and became more emboldened once Kitty made it clear today they would hammer me over Strange if given the choice.
I believe if players were less trusting of Norwee or Kitty for example, Progo would have outted with different reads which are convenient to that situation.
I have more reasons but I need to switch to my laptop because this is taking too long without a keyboard.
There is an urgency for you to reconsider your solve now ofmercia because Kitty's townread of Strange will cost town the game. Once the player count drops to 5 with 2 scum it's unlikely you will win even with strong play.
Fwog's mistakes are NAI in my opinion, this is a game where it's easy to make mistakes. I think fwog is trying and doing the right thing. I don't see a scum agenda in the inconsistencies like fwog made with the amount of players required to make a hammer, there's no benefit to the scum team of convincing town of a lie like that.
Fwog is there any way I can assist you in this moment?In post 834, fwogcarf wrote:Norwegian voting Kitty and not switching off of them for the longest time makes me think they aren't partnered.
Go for itIn post 836, Frogsterking wrote:Fwog is there any way I can assist you in this moment?In post 834, fwogcarf wrote:Norwegian voting Kitty and not switching off of them for the longest time makes me think they aren't partnered.
Yes and your reaction to my push D1 is difficult to fake.In post 829, fwogcarf wrote:Also Frog's been scumreading/pushing me for the majority of today
we're not partners
This wasn't his initial reaction though. Go read his initial reaction and how it developed to this and the scum agenda becomes clear. The wagon reads as savable to me and scum do not want to lose 1 here, he has to try and save it. Maybe you advised him in the scum thread? Then in this defense it's not just "mistakes", it's unbelievable mistakes. 3 votes instead of 5 isn't believable to me. In the astronomically rare chance he did make a mistake I apologise but claiming he thought it was 5 votes seems like a cover to change a stance on something he posted.In post 832, Frogsterking wrote:Yes fwog's show of valor is townie, it's very difficult to motivate yourself to convince another human of a downright lie when the group is already accusing you of lying. This is why Strange is struggling to even attempt to do anything in this game, and that's with far less pressure than fwog is experiencing.In post 828, ofmercia wrote:Yeah you understand the urgency, so why are you trying to change the wagon. Fwog is showing great valor here in this last ditch defense but he's having to resort to lies like mistaking 3 votes, with a big blue vote count, with 5 votes (a hammer btw). Is that actually believable to you?In post 827, Frogsterking wrote:I've switched to a keyboard but I won't out my other explanations because it seems their existence is redundant.In post 823, ofmercia wrote:This shows me you're town, I can see the reasoning from your POV. I just disagree about your solve.In post 817, Frogsterking wrote:In order from most to least significant explanations of my Progo read:
1) Progo's activity levels maintaining consistency up to this point indicate continued or elevated interest in this situation of the game; a situation where at least half the Town is bickering, clueless and/or inactive and the conclusion of the day seems inevitable and unpromising. This is the type of situation where activity tells invert start to become inverted because town are becoming less motivated and scum are becoming motivated.
2) Progo's read on my slot from D1 to now is contrived and lacking in depth. I believe Progo's interpretations of my play is a response to the outted reads of the players Progo is planning to leave alive. Progo believes you and Kitty will be less likely to trust me because of my accusations and attempts to solve the game, and became more emboldened once Kitty made it clear today they would hammer me over Strange if given the choice.
I believe if players were less trusting of Norwee or Kitty for example, Progo would have outted with different reads which are convenient to that situation.
I have more reasons but I need to switch to my laptop because this is taking too long without a keyboard.
There is an urgency for you to reconsider your solve now ofmercia because Kitty's townread of Strange will cost town the game. Once the player count drops to 5 with 2 scum it's unlikely you will win even with strong play.
Fwog's mistakes are NAI in my opinion, this is a game where it's easy to make mistakes. I think fwog is trying and doing the right thing. I don't see a scum agenda in the inconsistencies like fwog made with the amount of players required to make a hammer, there's no benefit to the scum team of convincing town of a lie like that.
You posted that you town read him. Shouldn't that be enough? What does you're not partners have to do with anything? Are you claiming to be a different alignment to him? But you town read him, that means you're...?In post 829, fwogcarf wrote:Also Frog's been scumreading/pushing me for the majority of today
we're not partners
SureIn post 840, Frogsterking wrote:Okay can you walk me through your town read of Progo?
This post and the next couple he makes after that are good to me because he brings up a point about your push on me D1 being fabricated. He does re-eval on that as well after he understands what you meant with your response, which I think a scum member would try to continue pushing that slot rather than immediately retract their read on you.In post 394, ProgoWoshua wrote:So... You don't have a problem with #379 after all?In post 392, Frogsterking wrote:Fair enough: @379
I feel like scum!Progo would've immediately hammered instead of making this post.In post 551, ProgoWoshua wrote:It's clear that today's elimination will be one of ofmercia, Auto and Kitty.In post 546, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You two gonna vote? What's your preferences today?In post 523, TistDaniel wrote:Not Voting (2) - StrangeMatter, ProgoWoshua
Out of those, I'm more suspicious of Auto.
I was just going to vote them, but they are in E-1 now. Now's your chance to claim your role, Auto.
Haven't you been pairing us together today pretty frequently along with Kitty and I?In post 842, ofmercia wrote:You posted that you town read him. Shouldn't that be enough? What does you're not partners have to do with anything? Are you claiming to be a different alignment to him? But you town read him, that means you're...?In post 829, fwogcarf wrote:Also Frog's been scumreading/pushing me for the majority of today
we're not partners
Agreed, interactions are good. Just never seen a player making interaction reads of themself and another player. As a town trying to solve it's usually a given that you are not partners with any other player. Would be extremely pointless for town players to start making interaction/partner reads about themselves.In post 847, fwogcarf wrote:Interaction/partner reads are important as well because they can help shape your townreads together
That's the majority of my reads as they stand right now because 1. Interactions show they can't be partners. 2. Someone's pressure on someone else suggests they can't be partners. And the most loose reasoning for it would be two or more people working collectively to get a solve.