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In post 823, butterflies wrote:

In post 820, Enchant wrote:If i am scum with furtive, why you resist idea of elimming me first.

If furtive were to actually flip town - seriously doubt - that would then mean my solve on the two of you being buddies would have to be wrong and I don’t think it is.

~Nancyfly

Well yes.
But i still damn die after.

In post 824, butterflies wrote:

In post 822, Enchant wrote:How i save furtive if i die?

There is no valid reason for you to want to die as town, nada, none.

~Nancyfly

I consider preventing instant lose is valid reason to go first.
Considering there's literally 0.1% hope to kill you instead.

Why i should't to try?

In post 826, Enchant wrote:

In post 824, butterflies wrote:

In post 822, Enchant wrote:How i save furtive if i die?

There is no valid reason for you to want to die as town, nada, none.

~Nancyfly

I consider preventing instant lose is valid reason to go first.
Considering there's literally 0.1% hope to kill you instead.

Why i should't to try?

If furtive is scum, I’m not holding my breath I live to d3 anyway.

In post 795, Noraa wrote:

In post 538, butterflies wrote:Who wants to bet one of us, Noraa or fire dies tonight?

lmfao i've never been a night 2 nk in my life.

Note to self, N2 nora in a future game.

In post 806, Enchant wrote:There's no reason for have preference to furtive.

None. Expect for not wanting to destroy ideal world of instant win.

Simple:
If furtive is town and limmed today, we will lose almost certainly, because there will be push on me again, because "lolhammer". I will lose in this push, unless miracle happen.
If furtive is scum, then okay i quess, but i personally only found strange that i am sit on last place of reads and Umlaut is on prelast, but we doesn't look like partners for furtive. I have no quarantee.


If you believe in team butter build, then you need to vote me first. Just consider what you get on furtive elim and what you get on mine elim, on both results.

"I don't want help to bus" is nonsense reason to direct lim away from me.

Wanna freak out more?
I'm sold on you being a designated bus.
You definitely do have partner equity, Nancy over here schooling me on what to look for in connections and I am sold.

If furtive is scum... you give nothing but "oh no... my stance.... it's broken...."

Flail harder plz.

Butterflies butterflies, whatcha gunna do? Whatcha gunna do when they come for you?

In post 812, Enchant wrote:I don't need to build enormous theories.

No, you just need to drop a solve.
Had more than enough time, and players have been reasonably active.
What you got - false enchanter?

In post 815, Enchant wrote:How failure logic if that?

If i die and flip scum, he die anyway?

Also, i expected Dunn to flip scum tbh.

Your tryhard is showing.

In post 818, Enchant wrote:

In post 816, butterflies wrote:

In post 815, Enchant wrote:How failure logic if that?

If i die and flip scum, he die anyway?

Also, i expected Dunn to flip scum tbh.

There is no logical reason for anyone to fall on their sword in this setup as town unless of course in the event a muse outs, which they absolutely shouldn’t. So only logical reason to fall on your sword here is because furtive is your buddy.

No townie has a logical reason to prefer to be limmed over anyone else. Period.

~Nancyfly

I just stated mine, if furtive is town, we plainly lose.

If you're town and you're eliminated, town loses too by the same logic.
Try Hard 2: Try Harder.

In post 820, Enchant wrote:If i am scum with furtive, why you resist idea of elimming me first.

Try Hard with a Vengeance.
What difference does it make? Why put your slot in the way of a slipped and compromised slot?

In post 825, Enchant wrote:

In post 823, butterflies wrote:

In post 820, Enchant wrote:If i am scum with furtive, why you resist idea of elimming me first.

If furtive were to actually flip town - seriously doubt - that would then mean my solve on the two of you being buddies would have to be wrong and I don’t think it is.

~Nancyfly

Well yes.
But i still damn die after.

So...
Furtive flips red, we eliminate you - if you're green we're in YOLO, if you're red town wins.
You flip red, we eliminate furtive - if furtive is green we're in YOLO, if they're red town wins.
And town wins because Umlaut is absolutely the last piece in that puzzle so we chain sweep.

So how is eliminating a town you any better to be done first?

In post 826, Enchant wrote:

In post 824, butterflies wrote:

In post 822, Enchant wrote:How i save furtive if i die?

There is no valid reason for you to want to die as town, nada, none.

~Nancyfly

I consider preventing instant lose is valid reason to go first.
Considering there's literally 0.1% hope to kill you instead.

Why i should't to try?

If you scumread us and you're town then case us and instead of being a Magikarp be a Gyrados.
Stop flailing and make it clear we're scum and make us blast off again.

See the thing is scum need to kill us tonight. We're too strong a presence in this game with too good a solve.
The problem is, it also incriminates you and Umlaut to remove us and I don't think after today either of you have the audacity or force of will to be able to dismiss a "framed" claim.
Your game is over.

-Butterflea used Hyper Beam

Of course I post this on the wrong account lol

In post 828, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 795, Noraa wrote:

In post 538, butterflies wrote:Who wants to bet one of us, Noraa or fire dies tonight?

lmfao i've never been a night 2 nk in my life.

Note to self, N2 nora in a future game.

In post 806, Enchant wrote:There's no reason for have preference to furtive.

None. Expect for not wanting to destroy ideal world of instant win.

Simple:
If furtive is town and limmed today, we will lose almost certainly, because there will be push on me again, because "lolhammer". I will lose in this push, unless miracle happen.
If furtive is scum, then okay i quess, but i personally only found strange that i am sit on last place of reads and Umlaut is on prelast, but we doesn't look like partners for furtive. I have no quarantee.


If you believe in team butter build, then you need to vote me first. Just consider what you get on furtive elim and what you get on mine elim, on both results.

"I don't want help to bus" is nonsense reason to direct lim away from me.

Wanna freak out more?
I'm sold on you being a designated bus.
You definitely do have partner equity, Nancy over here schooling me on what to look for in connections and I am sold.

If furtive is scum... you give nothing but "oh no... my stance.... it's broken...."

Flail harder plz.

Butterflies butterflies, whatcha gunna do? Whatcha gunna do when they come for you?

In post 812, Enchant wrote:I don't need to build enormous theories.

No, you just need to drop a solve.
Had more than enough time, and players have been reasonably active.
What you got - false enchanter?

In post 815, Enchant wrote:How failure logic if that?

If i die and flip scum, he die anyway?

Also, i expected Dunn to flip scum tbh.

Your tryhard is showing.

In post 818, Enchant wrote:

In post 816, butterflies wrote:

In post 815, Enchant wrote:How failure logic if that?

If i die and flip scum, he die anyway?

Also, i expected Dunn to flip scum tbh.

There is no logical reason for anyone to fall on their sword in this setup as town unless of course in the event a muse outs, which they absolutely shouldn’t. So only logical reason to fall on your sword here is because furtive is your buddy.

No townie has a logical reason to prefer to be limmed over anyone else. Period.

~Nancyfly

I just stated mine, if furtive is town, we plainly lose.

If you're town and you're eliminated, town loses too by the same logic.
Try Hard 2: Try Harder.

In post 820, Enchant wrote:If i am scum with furtive, why you resist idea of elimming me first.

Try Hard with a Vengeance.
What difference does it make? Why put your slot in the way of a slipped and compromised slot?

In post 825, Enchant wrote:

In post 823, butterflies wrote:

In post 820, Enchant wrote:If i am scum with furtive, why you resist idea of elimming me first.

If furtive were to actually flip town - seriously doubt - that would then mean my solve on the two of you being buddies would have to be wrong and I don’t think it is.

~Nancyfly

Well yes.
But i still damn die after.

So...
Furtive flips red, we eliminate you - if you're green we're in YOLO, if you're red town wins.
You flip red, we eliminate furtive - if furtive is green we're in YOLO, if they're red town wins.
And town wins because Umlaut is absolutely the last piece in that puzzle so we chain sweep.

So how is eliminating a town you any better to be done first?

In post 826, Enchant wrote:

In post 824, butterflies wrote:

In post 822, Enchant wrote:How i save furtive if i die?

There is no valid reason for you to want to die as town, nada, none.

~Nancyfly

I consider preventing instant lose is valid reason to go first.
Considering there's literally 0.1% hope to kill you instead.

Why i should't to try?

If you scumread us and you're town then case us and instead of being a Magikarp be a Gyrados.
Stop flailing and make it clear we're scum and make us blast off again.

See the thing is scum need to kill us tonight. We're too strong a presence in this game with too good a solve.
The problem is, it also incriminates you and Umlaut to remove us and I don't think after today either of you have the audacity or force of will to be able to dismiss a "framed" claim.
Your game is over.

-Butterflea used Hyper Beam

In post 801, butterflies wrote:She was outed scum stump in that though.

That doesn’t mean she isn’t acting like scum this game though.

In post 801, butterflies wrote:Have you played any other games with scum!Titus other than that one?

I have actually albeit on my alt. Large Normal 233

Hey if you feel I’m wrong, let me know. It’s just something I haven’t been able to shake.

In post 824, butterflies wrote:

In post 822, Enchant wrote:How i save furtive if i die?

There is no valid reason for you to want to die as town, nada, none.

~Nancyfly

Hard disagree. I just finished a game where at least two town volunteered themselves as the elimination because they felt they couldn't live until elo. So it's possible.

The only negative from this is if Enchant feels their Merlin has been sussed out.

Vote Count (2.12)

butterflies

[1]

Enchant
Enchant

[2]

Umlaut, furtiveglance
fireisredsir

[0]

[E-2]

furtiveglance

[3]

butterflies, ItalianoVD, Titus
implosion

[0]

ItalianoVD

[1]

fireisredsir
Noraa

[0]

Titus

[0]

Umlaut

[0]

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to eliminate.

Not Voting:

implosion, Noraa

Deadline:

April 14th, 2022, 4:15 PM EST ((expired on 2022-04-14 16:15:00))

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Umlaut has requested replacement.

agh now i cant unsee it. titus tone is just reminding me of the scum mathblade tone aghhhhhhh. it's like scum mathblade but much more hidden. my uncle bear is a little more obviously scum when he's scum >.>
i dont know im worried about tone reads right now

In post 828, Flea The Magician wrote: What you got - false enchanter?

The fuck you just said about me, you twoheaded butter abomination. I have you know, I graduated top of my class in the magical academy, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids in dungeons, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in fire magic and I’m the top mage in the entire group. You are nothing to me, but just another scum. I will wipe you the fuck out with power, the likes of which has never been seen before on this forum, mark my fucking runes.
You think you can get away with saying that shit to me in thread? Think again, fly. As we speak I am contacting my secret guild of mages across the earth and your location is being traced right now so you better prepare for the firestorm, butter. The storm that burns out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, scum. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my book.
Not only am I extensively trained in magical combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Enchanted weaponry and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the forum, you little scum. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn fly. I will shit fire all over you and you will drown in it.

You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Both Butterflea ahd myself are pretty much beyond convinced now that furtive and Enchant are buddies and his flailing panic doesn’t really make much sense if Titus is a buddy here, unless either of you can explain how Enchant’s flailing panic makes sense with scum!Titus. For Titus to actually be scum here along with furtive and Enchant would have to be the most insane performance of scum theatre I’ve ever seen.

So, still feel my our furtive/Ehchant/Umlaut solve is very likely the correct one because if furtive and Enchant are buddies and everything inside me is practically screaming that they are. I don’t see how Titus makes a whit of sense as as either an Enchant or a furtive buddy here.

Enchant is into flailing panic mode trying to save his buddy furtive and to anyone who isn’t seeing this, he pushed me just as hard when I went after his buddy SS in Anything uPick. So, I think a associatives point to Umlaut as being the last buddy not Titus, because I’m that confident that both furtive and Enchant both flip scum here.

As Butterflea pointed out, his argument makes 0 sense here as town and in a world where furtive were actually to flip town, Enchant would likely be clear and he damn well knows that.

Because both Flea and I have made it beyond abundantly clear that our solve involves both of them being buddies. So in a town!furtive world, we are far more likely to be the next elim, not him.

~Nancyfly

In post 832, Titus wrote:

In post 824, butterflies wrote:

In post 822, Enchant wrote:How i save furtive if i die?

There is no valid reason for you to want to die as town, nada, none.

~Nancyfly

Hard disagree. I just finished a game where at least two town volunteered themselves as the elimination because they felt they couldn't live until elo. So it's possible.

The only negative from this is if Enchant feels their Merlin has been sussed out.

In post 759, implosion wrote:

In post 718, Enchant wrote:If we lim furtive and he flips town, if muse doesh't intervene, it's borderline throwing, because otherwise i will be lemoned and that's game over.

This is extremely wrong and scummy for various reasons. Chiefly among them, the muses wouldn't each know if furtive is town or scum unless furtive is also a muse - if furtive is scum, only one of them would know furtive is scum, so no muse can unilaterally overturn a lim like that. I won't get into the other obvious ones but it's also scummy because if you're town you're basically screaming "hey mafia, i'm not a muse". Which of course, you could be a muse doing distraction play, so I won't go too deep down the rabbit hole, but I think suffice to say either a muse, or a vanilla townie pretending to be a muse, would feel the need to state a suspicion on someone in the game before page fucking twenty nine.

In post 831, ItalianoVD wrote:Hey if you feel I’m wrong, let me know. It’s just something I haven’t been able to shake.

Because if Titus iis scum here, than why is Enchant panicking like this? She switched her vote to furtive and he’s freaking oiut. Why would he do that if Titus is a buddy here?

See that’s what’s not making any sense to me. Why does Enchant flail/pznic like this if Titus is his buddy?

Because in a furtive/Enchant scum world, with Tifus voting furtive, she looks grear, doesn’t she? So no need for Enchant to flail/panic like this.

I suppose scum theatre can’t 100% be ruled out but it just looks to me that Enchant’s flail/panic escalated after she switched her vote to furtive and his panic does actually sound genuine to me because he was > likely than not a designated bus, so sure it’s possible that it could be Titus > Umlaut but Occams Razor says otherwise.

~Nancyfly

In post 830, ItalianoVD wrote:

In post 801, butterflies wrote:She was outed scum stump in that though.

That doesn’t mean she isn’t acting like scum this game though.

In post 801, butterflies wrote:Have you played any other games with scum!Titus other than that one?

I have actually albeit on my alt. Large Normal 233

Okay, so just read that game and understand yours and Nora’s suspicions. That said, I still don’t see hox Titus makes sense here as either furtive or Enchant buddy.

In post 832, Titus wrote:

In post 824, butterflies wrote:

In post 822, Enchant wrote:How i save furtive if i die?

There is no valid reason for you to want to die as town, nada, none.

~Nancyfly

Hard disagree. I just finished a game where at least two town volunteered themselves as the elimination because they felt they couldn't live until elo. So it's possible.

The only negative from this is if Enchant feels their Merlin has been sussed out.

This post reminds me of a post Titus made in a Jingle game where she was town.

In post 840, butterflies wrote:

In post 832, Titus wrote:

In post 824, butterflies wrote:

In post 822, Enchant wrote:How i save furtive if i die?

There is no valid reason for you to want to die as town, nada, none.

~Nancyfly

Hard disagree. I just finished a game where at least two town volunteered themselves as the elimination because they felt they couldn't live until elo. So it's possible.

The only negative from this is if Enchant feels their Merlin has been sussed out.

This post reminds me of a post Titus made in a Jingle game where she was town.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=21512

So, I guess I’m just not really seeing what Italiano and Noraa are. *shrug*

~Nancyfly

In post 835, Enchant wrote:

In post 828, Flea The Magician wrote: What you got - false enchanter?

The fuck you just said about me, you twoheaded butter abomination. I have you know, I graduated top of my class in the magical academy, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids in dungeons, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in fire magic and I’m the top mage in the entire group. You are nothing to me, but just another scum. I will wipe you the fuck out with power, the likes of which has never been seen before on this forum, mark my fucking runes.
You think you can get away with saying that shit to me in thread? Think again, fly. As we speak I am contacting my secret guild of mages across the earth and your location is being traced right now so you better prepare for the firestorm, butter. The storm that burns out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, scum. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my book.
Not only am I extensively trained in magical combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Enchanted weaponry and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the forum, you little scum. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn fly. I will shit fire all over you and you will drown in it.

You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

You heard me. You are at best a low level goon while I hold the rank of Samurai. I have extensive training in cosmic and spatial manipulation that snuffs your fire into a spark at best and the detonations that are used in my field that obliterate the minds, bodies and souls are beyond your meager comprehension. Not only that while you studied for your power, it is innate to me, it is as While admittedly I don't have a confirmed kill count thats not because the bodies are lost to time itself, its because because I lost count! Your power does not scare me, your armies do not scare me, you don't even know the first thing about your enemy. I am Flea - Decended from the Nu, from the bloodline that served the glorious Queen Zeal, the one who brought the Black Omen into this world. Your mages will find me easily, and I will welcome them. Though it's not hard to find something that exists in all of time and space. The question is, can you breathe in a realm with no air? Can you bend the laws of physics?

I simply waltz with you, and you would attack your own. You are no threat, and you anger feeds me.

-Flea

I strongly believe that furtive and Enchant are buddies here. I also read Enchant’s flail/panicking as genuine and not scum theatre. Therefore, I cannot for the life of me understand why scum!Enchant flails panics like this if Titus is a buddy to either of them.

If I’m scum!Enchant here along with scum!furtive, I don’t flail/panic here if Titus is my buddy voting furtive and I sure as hell don’t try to hardpush obvtown!butterflies either. If I’m scum!Enchant with Titus as my buddy, I just likely chill here and not make it do beyond obvious that I’m flipping out over the possibility of a furtive lim over myself.

Occam’s razor says Titus!scum doesn’t make a helluva lot of sense in this scenario because I don’t think Enchant is that good of an actor that he can fake genuine flail/panic like this.

Enchant flail/panic makes the most sense here, if our solve of furtive/Enchant/Umlaut is the team > furtive/Enchant/Titus.

We’re most probably going to be dead by that time anyway because I don’t see Umlaut getting limmed before d4 and don’t see how scum doesn’t kill us before then.

~Nancyfly

I haven't actually played enough with Titus to be confident in my ability to read her. If there's animus against her then I'm happy to consider her later. I think her attitudes have made sense as town but it's kind of hard to predict how scum will view the optimal way to play in this setup.

I don't really agree with butterflies that there's no reason for Enchant to flail here if Titus is scum. Flailing is something caught scum may want to do in this setup to try to suss out their merlin. Or even the other scums' merlins. It's not hard imo to come up with some possible motivations for why Enchant is behaving the way they are regardless of others' alignments right now - it's not like Enchant has been playing a normal game of mafia up until this point and then suddenly they started flailing.

I'm more or less ready to vote furtive at this point (or Enchant if people swing that way). I don't think prolonging the day is beneficial at this point; is there anything else anyone feels the need to get in?

Well, I’d pretty much bet the game on furtive/Enchant as buddies with last scum being between Umlaut and Titus, so in that case, maybe I’m missing something because scum can’t win in either case anyway.

So, maybe I’m being premature in tr Titus? Idk *shrug*

It’s also true that both Enchant and furtive have been muse baiting, so that could also possibly explain it.

~Nancyfly

That said, Enchant jumped on me for pushing both Umlaut and furtive but said absolutely nothing when I hardtunnelled Titus on d1, which tends to be his scum meta. Apparently according to Flea, he has a history of treating buddies this way, so Anything uPick isn’t the only game where he’s done this.

~Nancyfly

i think that if enchant/furtive are both town then titus is probably scum, but i think we prob lose in that case anyway lol

i still think it's galron/italiano but am not sure where he would fit in. probably alongside umlaut

of furtive/enchant i think enchant is more likely to be scum, it could still be both but im not as sold on that as butterflies is

VOTE: Enchant

Yeah I agree, let’s vote furtive and conclude the day. I think at this point everyone has said what they’re gonna say and I think the gamestate is the way it is for a reason.

Noraa and fire vote furtive.