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hmm nope no thoughts, good night

the only new thing in my brain was that at first i thought that it didn't seem like a great move for scum skitter to move towards a vp townread. but maybe she would be trying to align her reads with prism in that case, and push for a datisi elim

idk its not a very useful thought but its all i have right now

In post 808, Dwlee99 wrote:I think Prism is mildly townie but I wouldn't mind flipping cause ascetic claim + scary + novice mailman

In post 821, Dwlee99 wrote:It doesn't!

In post 822, Dwlee99 wrote:I am willing to vote prism

VOTE: Dwlee99

Let's just end your suffering.

i thought taking a break from this game would help me get some cool reads but like, it did not

i somehow think dwlee is townie because i kiiinda don't see them pushing for an enchant yeet as scum on day one because i don't think scum!them decides to get their hands dirty with pushing the most lhf player on the playerlist, and also their kinda confusion about enchant/prism feels more townie than not bc i think scum!them would've paid more attention and would have tried to keep their trajectory clearer

and also i maybe wouldn't mind voting enchant but i wanna see some other things first

Nothing has changed on my front. I still prefer skitter. I'm struggling with motivation and viciousness but we'll see how I feel after my run. Physically disgusting play right now.

VC is a mess. We have time but everyone sitting on their pet votes is going to wind up with a default vote of myself or a lurker. Deadline scrambles only work out when they hit scum, need to force real stances. Should start applying real pressure, arbitrary or not. I might move if no one wants skitter but Datisi had her as a vote and iirc Baltar still leaned that way until I voiced my support. Aristeia unfortunately probably still believes Prism town necessitates skitter town.

Does anyone actually think Enchant is townie

Wouldn't surprise me

In post 823, Prism wrote:Can tl;dr that I will have questions for Datisi later but was satisfied with his last response.

i have certain thoughts brewnig but i would like to see an elaboration to this ^^

In post 831, Dwlee99 wrote:Does anyone actually think Enchant is townie

I have literally no idea how to determine Enchant's alignment ever.

Sure, can when I get back to my computer. Hesitation was that a lot of our back/forth seemed to be Question -> Response/Elaboration with that response/elaboration taken as bad faith advocacy to set up a flip. My concern is that it is a pattern indicative of scum insecurity/fear. Not really eager to get into another nuanced mess to hash out previous discussions to test it, if you think I am scum OK, last set was plausible at first pass to me.

In post 834, Shuichi Saihara wrote:

In post 831, Dwlee99 wrote:Does anyone actually think Enchant is townie

I have literally no idea how to determine Enchant's alignment ever.

Read posts, make conclusion, easy

main reason im not voting atm is cause i would rather not be contributing to a wagon that im not feeling super confident in that may actually go through while im mostly not around in thread to see how things evolve and respond accordingly

ill prob vote tomorrow once im more here but it would likely be on one of vp/skitter/datisi

Datisi is town. Would not recommend that vote.

In post 833, Datisi wrote:

In post 823, Prism wrote:Can tl;dr that I will have questions for Datisi later but was satisfied with his last response.

i have certain thoughts brewnig but i would like to see an elaboration to this ^^

In post 835, Prism wrote:Sure, can when I get back to my computer. Hesitation was that a lot of our back/forth seemed to be Question -> Response/Elaboration with that response/elaboration taken as bad faith advocacy to set up a flip. My concern is that it is a pattern indicative of scum insecurity/fear. Not really eager to get into another nuanced mess to hash out previous discussions to test it, if you think I am scum OK, last set was plausible at first pass to me.

I'm actually going to say nevermind on going further on this. I have other projects I would like to get to.

I apologize if that is annoying. I know it does not help your chaining concern. Fundamentally there are other things I would like to get to and responding to this as scum would be trivial. I would point towards starting back at 422 with 835 as a blueprint if you are adamantly curious.

for what it's worth, the biggest point of interest for me was that you said you would have questions for me. i can understand what you're saying was your issue with my play so far.

The implication behind that is, yes, I have questions about your posts and the faith in your reads ready in the waiting. Can you have them right now? No, LMAO.

(I don't consider them particularly promising right now nor of paramount importance, I don't really know how to read you so shrug I am happy to kick the can down the road for later)

In post 838, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Datisi is town. Would not recommend that vote.

just from 353, or is there more now that makes you think things?

i think he is very capable of making posts that sound like that as scum

Lean scum on fireisred and am willing to vote there.

Mostly still spitballing, more passive than I would expect. Tracking through the reads in their wall against their previous posts lines up but they have been extremely reticent to push lines of questioning except the one on Dwlee. Not really what I expect after their more eager intro to Panic Room.

Even if they line up it's still very unclear to me why they're not voting skitter, and the progression on Dwlee is ehhhhh. Fundamentally, I suspect we'd also have more townreads from fire and posts they do like more explicitly flagged. I'd compare any of the points in Panic's 351 to the ones here. The ones in the wall have nuance, but none of them come close in calling it one way or another and moving along with the evaluation.

Tough call, different games, willing to vote. I think a lot of the commentary on me/Ari in the wallpost was preempting sideline criticism. Their ordering of VP, skitter, me, all of whom seem scummy in some ways along with their concerns about Dwlee make it bizarre to me that they're not voting and instead are advocating the "active lurker" route.

I still have no fucking clue how to read Enchant. Shocker. Hardnull. I'm finished giving him a pass for the first post, arguably not even trying to give a read midgame is +town for him but I want more. Not going on him right now but if he doesn't post real reads or explain the Dwlee vote I'm willing to flip him.

Dwlee, I'm curious what parallels you saw between my tilt in this game and my tilt in D&C.

My first tilt-session in D&C was a very quick 4/5 post back and forth with Brighter just to get townread by that slot, and it was at the very start of the game. The second I realized I had accomplished my goal I moved on.

My second was with Dunnstral, who was townreading me all game. I would tilt to play up being offended. There was no real attempt at nuanced conversation or debating alignment.

I think they're actually extremely different; here Aristeia is convinced I am scum for both day/mech play, the debate was about whether or not she understood my point w/r/t teams, and there was a much more mutually vicious 1v1 side to it that was not there in either of the above. You also seemed to get my point immediately, so I imagine my tilt was not hard to understand either.

Somewhat humorously, my fake tilt in my first run-in with Aristeia was actually much more comparable to this one

I also do not at all get the strength of the push on Enchant.

Surprisingly okay reads from Shuichi. I concurred with the assessment of Datisi's 353, good questions to me about my readslist.

Main point of confusion is why they haven't really voted me given their initial reaction to Aristeia's claim and to some of my wonky placements. Probably not an imminent vote for me.

In post 831, Dwlee99 wrote:Does anyone actually think Enchant is townie

I do