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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:56 am
by Vivax
In post 723, Klick wrote:
PenguinPower
furtiveglance
Malakittens
fireisredsir
Vivax
Andresvmb


petapan
Uncrowned
mastina
Nero Cain
Ausuka
jjh927


Roden
Ydrasse
Lukewarm
Titus
BlueBloodedToffee

Ircher
Something_Smart
RCEnigma
I'm legitimately not sure if this is a very well informed scum or a super good town, because I think the bottom of the reads is very sheepable. Though an update on Andres after the latest input would be appreciated.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:01 pm
by Andresvmb
In post 820, Vivax wrote:
In post 817, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 813, Vivax wrote:Why is Andres attitude the way it is from a single remark?

:facepalm:
Should I be congratulating you when you take shots at me? Didn’t you call me gullible or did I miss that? My point was simply that I don’t think Nero is Scum, which is a good thing because they’re tough to deal with as Scum. You will have noticed that I didn’t say Nero is difficult to pinpoint as Scum. I would have hedged my remarks quite a bit more if that were the case. Since I didn’t understand what you meant, I asked you to clarify. You can get all upset about it if you want, and not answer, but that doesn’t help me figure out what you are.
I just think you have the attitude of someone who didn't walk into a good situation and vibes with negativity in an environment of logic.

That said, Klick makes it to townleans, and you to scumleans.
The attitude of someone who didn’t walk into a good situation? What does that even mean? Do you want to expand upon that? If I’m understanding you correctly, you think I’m sussing you in an effort to protect Ircher. That’s the argument yeah?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:03 pm
by Vivax
In post 826, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 820, Vivax wrote:
In post 817, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 813, Vivax wrote:Why is Andres attitude the way it is from a single remark?

:facepalm:
Should I be congratulating you when you take shots at me? Didn’t you call me gullible or did I miss that? My point was simply that I don’t think Nero is Scum, which is a good thing because they’re tough to deal with as Scum. You will have noticed that I didn’t say Nero is difficult to pinpoint as Scum. I would have hedged my remarks quite a bit more if that were the case. Since I didn’t understand what you meant, I asked you to clarify. You can get all upset about it if you want, and not answer, but that doesn’t help me figure out what you are.
I just think you have the attitude of someone who didn't walk into a good situation and vibes with negativity in an environment of logic.

That said, Klick makes it to townleans, and you to scumleans.
The attitude of someone who didn’t walk into a good situation? What does that even mean? Do you want to expand upon that? If I’m understanding you correctly, you think I’m sussing you in an effort to protect Ircher. That’s the argument yeah?
No, the original argument was your read on Nero claiming you want to townlean him with the caveat that 'you're glad because then you don't have to push scum nero', in a later post saying you scumread him actually.
So, not-compute-city somewhere here, and your passive aggressive attitude.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:04 pm
by Andresvmb
I’m not as sold as others that assuming that the game is 17:4 instead of 16:5 is a sure indication that someone is Scum. I’m of the opinion that you would have seen Scum be more obvious about the assumption to try and avoid it being interpreted as a slip, but that’s my personal perspective. I was trying to focus more on contribution and tone, since this early I don’t think you can make any argument that is solidly supported by “logic”. But that’s my approach - I’m not pretending it’s better than anyone else’s approach.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:04 pm
by Andresvmb
I don’t SR Nero. I don’t think I’ve ever said that.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:06 pm
by Vivax
In post 801, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 797, Vivax wrote:
In post 786, Andresvmb wrote:I like Nero for Town. Which is a good thing because fighting Scum!Nero is a horrible experience.
This feels a bit too gullible if they expect Nero to be a challenging scum
Gullible? Haha how?
I expressed that I think Nero is Scum
. I also expressed relief because Nero is a difficult player sink as Scum. And they’re generally abrasive, so I would rather not have to deal with it. I also would add that I think Nero adds to the Town.

But maybe I’m misreading what you’re saying. Do you think Nero is fooling me and is Scum? Like what’s the take?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:07 pm
by mastina
In post 475, Roden wrote:I don't think Mastina ever responded to me anyway.
Oh well I should just say that the lack of knowing how to engage is mutual.

You're not my priority elimination now, anyway; that's Ircher.

Past that, we'll cross the bridge when we come to it.
In post 485, petapan wrote:the last time i pumped the brakes on an early day 1 ircher wagon he was scum who escaped to get a night action
and his posts when he came back were kind of bad tbh
^
I don't care what he claims; I don't care about the wagon composition on him; I don't care about getting distracted by shinies.

He's scum and we shouldn't let him go.

I'm not compromise-voting today. I'm staying on Ircher, period. Any wagon not him will have to be done without me, likely with my strong opposition.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:07 pm
by Vivax
Okay you Ebwoped it, but then you said this
In post 829, Andresvmb wrote:I don’t SR Nero. I don’t think I’ve ever said that.
Dirty backtrack

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:08 pm
by Klick
In post 825, Vivax wrote:I'm legitimately not sure if this is a very well informed scum or a super good town, because I think the bottom of the reads is very sheepable. Though an update on Andres after the latest input would be appreciated.
Andre's continues to be obvtown
You're also continuing to be obvtown and I don't get the scumreads on you

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:08 pm
by PenguinPower
Uh…we’re past page 30…page 40?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:10 pm
by Klick
If you vote Ircher now maybe we could end it by 35

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:11 pm
by Andresvmb
In post 832, Vivax wrote:Okay you Ebwoped it, but then you said this
In post 829, Andresvmb wrote:I don’t SR Nero. I don’t think I’ve ever said that.
Dirty backtrack
Wait, I’m confused. What backtrack?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:12 pm
by Andresvmb
I think Nero is Town. What of anything that I’ve said makes you think I’ve changed my position on this?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:13 pm
by Andresvmb
I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:16 pm
by Vivax
In post 838, Andresvmb wrote:I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.
Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:18 pm
by PenguinPower
[quote="In post 835, Klick"][/quote]

happy to given his recent contribution but mastina seemed like she's doing her catch up thing.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:18 pm
by PenguinPower
uh....weird

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:19 pm
by PenguinPower
In post 835, Klick wrote:If you vote Ircher now maybe we could end it by 35
happy to given his recent contribution but mastina seemed like she's doing her catch up thing.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:31 pm
by Andresvmb
In post 839, Vivax wrote:
In post 838, Andresvmb wrote:I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.
Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.
Hahaha okay. I think you’re Scum doubling down on a bad take. But I’ll stop arguing with you directly.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:35 pm
by Vivax
In post 843, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 839, Vivax wrote:
In post 838, Andresvmb wrote:I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.
Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.
Hahaha okay. I think you’re Scum doubling down on a bad take. But I’ll stop arguing with you directly.
What's your read on Ircher?

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:46 pm
by RCEnigma
In post 788, jjh927 wrote:
In post 785, Lukewarm wrote:I don't really have a read on Mastina atm, but I don't think it is true to say that scum mastina would not lie about her productivity levels.
Why would she lock herself into it before the night phase has even begun?
She will do this as either alignment so this line of questioning isn’t useful. Even in hypotheticals.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:50 pm
by mastina
In post 708, Ausuka wrote:I want to be cautious with Vivax because he seems like the sort of person who's naturally scummy but I don't really like the way he pivots away from Ircher for being too scummy to be scum and then returns because apparently he'd be hammered if he's town??? Especially with Ircher voting Vivax, I feel like if Ircher is scum Vivax is a good place to start d2
From my experience, that's Vivax as town for what it's worth.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:55 pm
by mastina
In post 744, Ircher wrote:I read through mastina's ISO. Incredibly wrong reads as always.
This is not a town-Ircher post.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:56 pm
by Vivax
In post 666, fireisredsir wrote:i don't really get the mindset behind "hammer or move on" followed by "i want to vote RCE but don't want to dampen ircher wagon"

can you explain that more

specifically about the "or move on"
Who's this directed at? Did they answer? I can't find a requote on a first go.
Fire to townlock

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:57 pm
by RCEnigma
In post 847, mastina wrote:
In post 744, Ircher wrote:I read through mastina's ISO. Incredibly wrong reads as always.
This is not a town-Ircher post.
It’s Irchers same argument from Control.