Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:34 am
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Because I feel bad bumping these off the page for fluffIn post 8248, Pine wrote:We love you, Ali. Please talk to people outside the context of high-stakes, deception-based social games.
My DMs are always open to you.
I think any game is.In post 8247, Ankamius wrote:Titus, I have a question.
Do you think this is a game where maximizing value from flips is worthwhile?
I should've said gamestate, my bad.In post 8252, Titus wrote:I think any game is.In post 8247, Ankamius wrote:Titus, I have a question.
Do you think this is a game where maximizing value from flips is worthwhile?
I think any game is. Lynching obvtown does not maximize the gamestate usually.In post 8253, Ankamius wrote:I should've said gamestate, my bad.In post 8252, Titus wrote:I think any game is.In post 8247, Ankamius wrote:Titus, I have a question.
Do you think this is a game where maximizing value from flips is worthwhile?
Hectic preferredIn post 8255, Ankamius wrote:What are your reads at right now?
I'm hitting a point where I realize I need a high value flip to proceed and I want to be sure I'm not missing something obvious first.
Simply put only my lynchpool wanted Aaron. The wagon composition was so bad, I almost vetoed Aaron.In post 8256, Pine wrote:Titus why does Hectic > Aaron?
As soon as he's pushed all the town becomes scumIn post 8194, Reasonably Rational wrote:Assuming this insanity results in our lunch, you’ll want to look very closely at OkaPoka and S&W. Oka has been pushing hard to make everyone claim today, despite being told repeatedly that we shouldn’t and Titus knows why. There’s not any town motive there but I can see scum being scared by our refusal to claim along with the fact that a pretty vague reference was enough for a Titus to realize ... because it’s strong and we’ve demonstrated the ability to leverage it in the past.
S&W isn’t developing an honest read on us. He’s starting with a destination in mind and then looking for anything he can manipulate to support it. If my post was really such blatant fearmongering, for example, he would have said so when I made it. It clearly didn’t come across that way when I made it because nobody commented. Scum have to approach getting mislynches exactly in the way S&W is behaving right now.
I wouldn’t discount TSE as scum here either. Bizarre tonal shifts and behavior shifts combined with pushing two theories which were never reasonable at all are bad looks from him. The pushes look a lot like setting up mislynch chains, especially now that we have a chemist flip plus we know we flip green AND we have pretty solid reasons to believe another JOAT style role is town as well.
The common thread with all three slots is very obvious scum motive for their approach. For S&W and TSE there is a pretty clear view of they are making up a story since they can’t legit game solve due to being informed, and you can see the fingerprints of that pretty clear if you step back and see the forest.
~D
I gotta go back inside for work.
Okay.In post 8257, Titus wrote:Hectic preferredIn post 8255, Ankamius wrote:What are your reads at right now?
I'm hitting a point where I realize I need a high value flip to proceed and I want to be sure I'm not missing something obvious first.
AF acceptable
TSE begrudgingly due to role and numbers management
SW and FL if desperate
Don't lynch anyone else.
I'd still like to know why you were scumreading me going into night pleaseIn post 8256, Pine wrote:Titus why does Hectic > Aaron?
In post 7166, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oka, fyi, I'm a guy who sits on a hard guilty for *at least* 5 RL days, ensures everyone has come and talked about shit, gently prodded the entire thread for reads etc, pushed a soft wagon on a null read, and only THEN do I actually share my hard guilty to end the day., after maximizing the extracted value.
-Cerb
pedit: Titus - Yeah, that's fair. Last scum pool depends entirely on whether or not e actually indicated their knowledge of Espe's role in any way prior to their claim. Hmm. Okay. So I'm actually thinking about this, and kinda running into some contradictory conclusions.
My first thought was that if e had hinted about the role previously, then the only reason to bring that up is to make people doubt the pool of clears, right? That also increases the scum equity of Espeonage. Mmm. Okay.
"Clears"
gobbledygook
Ankamius
OkaPoka
Weaker town evidence due to connection to "clears"
Hectic
So I see reasonable cause for scum equity in Pine and Espe, less so in S&W. I believe mechanically we should be removing Espe to create 3 "real" clears(assuming we have evidence of previous successful actions on these three slots, I'll need to review).
I think our best chance is to remove TSE, and assuming he flips town and is therefore not lying about being vengeful, he shoots either Pine or Espe; Pine shot is only necessary if we do not have evidence of previous successful actions on ank/oka/gobble, otherwise Espe shot makes more sense as that flip either ends the game or gives us 3 highly probtown. That leaves us with Pine, FL, and S&W, with S&W and FL tied for scum equity, and Pine as still improbable for the D1 claim.
TrueSoulEnergy>Espeonage/Pine>S&W/FL>Pine
This is all assuming that I'm right and AF flips scum of course. If he does not, shit get's messy.
I need to talk to Drixx to see if it's reasonable to locktown Espe; I don't think it is, but maybe he see's something I don't.
ppedit: Oh he's back, must bug.
-Cerb
BIn post 8194, Reasonably Rational wrote:Assuming this insanity results in our lunch, you’ll want to look very closely at OkaPoka and S&W. Oka has been pushing hard to make everyone claim today, despite being told repeatedly that we shouldn’t and Titus knows why. There’s not any town motive there but I can see scum being scared by our refusal to claim along with the fact that a pretty vague reference was enough for a Titus to realize ... because it’s strong and we’ve demonstrated the ability to leverage it in the past.
S&W isn’t developing an honest read on us. He’s starting with a destination in mind and then looking for anything he can manipulate to support it. If my post was really such blatant fearmongering, for example, he would have said so when I made it. It clearly didn’t come across that way when I made it because nobody commented. Scum have to approach getting mislynches exactly in the way S&W is behaving right now.
I wouldn’t discount TSE as scum here either. Bizarre tonal shifts and behavior shifts combined with pushing two theories which were never reasonable at all are bad looks from him. The pushes look a lot like setting up mislynch chains, especially now that we have a chemist flip plus we know we flip green AND we have pretty solid reasons to believe another JOAT style role is town as well.
The common thread with all three slots is very obvious scum motive for their approach. For S&W and TSE there is a pretty clear view of they are making up a story since they can’t legit game solve due to being informed, and you can see the fingerprints of that pretty clear if you step back and see the forest.
~D
I gotta go back inside for work.
I don't remember almost any dissonance in tasuya's anime upickIn post 8269, Ankamius wrote:... and who wrote it???
All of that is real life indicative.In post 8270, Sherlock and Watson wrote:Since when does drixx ignore a mech clear lol
He not only was the slot not scumreading oka they had him as clear
Unless drixx is straight ignoring cerb reads and that'd be weird too
-S
Real life. They don't show dissonance as scum either. It's NAI.In post 8271, Sherlock and Watson wrote:I don't remember almost any dissonance in tasuya's anime upickIn post 8269, Ankamius wrote:... and who wrote it???
-S