revO emaG - TENET

[Dandelion Wine]

on reread i don't actually love the progression on noraa

especially culminating in 664; seems like he's piling on at a point where he should be looking for places he might be wrong; the point made in 363 is like, okay for a push but 664 implies a lockscum angle on it and eh

-b

I swear we seem fated to come to opposite conclusions, my man.

[Deacon Blues]

i think you're dredging up things that are important, either way. peta's in a weird fucking spot today and i don't know how to deal with him.

I'm trying to just discount all the stuff happened the other night but LLD performatively feels town to me after everything:

and if HP wants to hem and haw at me for that then feel free (although looking at their reads in the other thread I feel like we're pretty close to the point where why the fuck did you dunk on me asking the question i asked about the motivation of LLD sending/activating skitter vs eliming skitter (skitter's alignment is incredibly important to explaining this imo) and continues to like try and discredit our reads in a way that doesn't feel scummy just feels like they think we don't know what we're doing or that we're saying "don't think; trust us we got this" when i don't feel like that's the situation i've ever presented to anyone. whatever. i think they're town. I'm still annoyed - I'm not asking anyone to blindly sheep me. I'll drop it from here but like, i'm trying to play the game.

-b

[petapan]

i'm probably not going to read all of it but if you want to take your time and go through and ask me things i'll answer you

[Deacon Blues]

am i really building a paranoia connection by entertaining the possibility of them being scum. i'm probably going to end up positioning myself against your bloc

like i don't know what shit like this means

are we all scum?
are we all town and wrong?
are we infiltrated?

there's this perception of hivemindedness that i don't think is based on any kind of reality

-b

[petapan]

i think a significant number of you are scum or effectively playing to a scum win condition. or thought when i said that anyway

[Deacon Blues]

scum or effectively playing to a scum win condition

god are you just fucking scum

what a fucking bullshit hedge

-b

[Deacon Blues]

like you don't even care which it supposedly is

you can't get us elimed so you get us discredited

-b

[Firebringer]

how was everyones week?

[Deacon Blues]

Bork I'm sorry for saying you were scumsiding.

appreciate it.

firebringer might be the farthest apart we currently are: i've gotten a pretty good feeling about firebringer on this game day but i think i empathize w/ where your head is at here. i agree with the politicalness of firebringer itt i am just not sure it's scum; 8093 is potentially bad if skitter is scum for the same reasons as LLD wold be, and i realize i probably just don't have a really good argument here i just needed a port in the storm of rationality and firebringer was the one that happened to be there at the time and, i really liked 7940 when i saw it. i absolutely agree that nothing FB has done this game is anywhere close to out of my perception of what his scumrange is

anyway i think everyone should read HP 6554 over there it's not a bad summary overall and the points on bell in particular are exactly how i feel about bell

-b

[Deacon Blues]

how was everyones week?

not bad, you?

-b

[Dandelion Wine]

Okay, so let's move on, i'm just gonna cover the big major points, then?


Peta's reads list coming out of the period I covered there was a townblock of (Technically just an endorsement of notsci's)...

Off the table for today-
Wine
Deacon
LLD
Fire
Superb
peta

Thoughts?

already unvoting most of those people so looks p dece to me

Literally all of these people are still alive, so no new data here, blah.

[Deacon Blues]

what is your current goal here w/ this catchup attempt? to get a peta read in particular?

-b

[Dandelion Wine]

Peta: I find myself in a place where I very much townread LLD but my other townreads disagree with her case. So, this is me trying to re-ISO you and give you a fair shake, yeah? Especially after how the past 48 hours played out.

^

[Deacon Blues]

thanks

-b

[petapan]

scum or effectively playing to a scum win condition

god are you just fucking scum

what a fucking bullshit hedge

-b

i believe(d) your continued aliveness was going to be harmful and prevent scum eliminations

but go off



now, granted, since stepping away from the thread i figured i might just be overthinking it, maybe it is almost50, the traditionally scummy lowposter, votes haven't been great, the way he crumbed didn't entirely make sense. spiffeh has been trying to actually reason with me which seems townish. but then compromising there would mean voting with 2 of the 3 people voting me currently and that seems like a bad idea, gamestate says scum will want to push to eliminate me even when i should be fairly obviously town by role because they need to force any elimination possible and i suspect that's what's happening.

[Deacon Blues]

i believe(d) your continued aliveness was going to be harmful and prevent scum eliminations

You're really knocking it out of the park too if you're town
See that's not a really nice thing to say, is it?

How is that helpful other than to annoy me? You should care about our alignment and it seems like you don't other than labeling us Plus Ee Vee Scum® but like you can't even point to a spot where we're like leading town off the cliff other than what, ffery was trying to explain to you her tenuous read on a slot that didn't align with yours?

-b

[Firebringer]

Firebringer -- seems like obvious scum to me, I don't really get why anyone is townreading this slot, he has at no point cared about any of his pushes. I kinda liked at one point his thought process about skitter, but at this point given the timing of when he pushed skitter (early d1 and then d3 when numbers were screwy) I'd just as easily see fire/skitter being s/s -- playing very politically, I have more feelings here but don't want to go into more detail, the retracted cop claim is NAI but his solving is scummy

Don't get how i am either obvious scum, given you townread me like 100 pages ago or something. Or how i am playing politically given how i think my pushes have been largely rejected by majority of players....maybe politically in that im getting along with everyone over here?

idk i don't see how my pushes on skitter have been ever politically motivated given how i been firm on the revolution side of this game.

btw. I think its weird uve never asked for my opinion of u guy since ive been so quiet about you. Like literally when was last thing i said about you hench? Idek.

[Firebringer]

my weekend is pretty boring. I feel extremely tirrrreeeddddd....

I caught up on the mandalorian and am finishing a new book.

[Firebringer]

I thought you were town when I thought your push on skitter mattered to you and when it became obvious it didn't there was nothing else in your iso that didn't make me think scum. I don't see how my read on you from 100 pages ago would matter anyway.

ohh okay.

It mattered because i found the "obvious scum" thing u were going for a little weird given the circumstance of ur read development of me.

[midwaybear]

now, granted, since stepping away from the thread i figured i might just be overthinking it

Why is Pooky not with A50/Spiffeh

[Deacon Blues]

scum or effectively playing to a scum win condition

god are you just fucking scum

what a fucking bullshit hedge

-b

i believe(d) your continued aliveness was going to be harmful and prevent scum eliminations

but go off



now, granted, since stepping away from the thread i figured i might just be overthinking it, maybe it is almost50, the traditionally scummy lowposter, votes haven't been great, the way he crumbed didn't entirely make sense. spiffeh has been trying to actually reason with me which seems townish. but then compromising there would mean voting with 2 of the 3 people voting me currently and that seems like a bad idea, gamestate says scum will want to push to eliminate me even when i should be fairly obviously town by role because they need to force any elimination possible and i suspect that's what's happening.

Which scum eliminations do you think we're preventing? Is this about us specifically or the "significant number of you" in your post 8429?

[Firebringer]

i should be top of ur list. TOP OF THE SCUM LIST.
Hench i am personally insulted by putting me on bottom. I am obviously top scum material. I was always top scum material to say otherwise is blasphemy and libel. Anyone would say i am the best their ever was at scum.

no i understand ive never been a top townread but u definitely waffled. I think im quibling over this "obvious scum" thing, but just found it weird and decided to nitpick u for it.

i don't think i would have been bussing skitter this game though. Might have buddied LLD? Probably not the way i did here.

[Firebringer]

peta if given the choice what is the order we yeet in this thread from first playaer to yourself (last)

[petapan]

i believe(d) your continued aliveness was going to be harmful and prevent scum eliminations

You're really knocking it out of the park too if you're town
See that's not a really nice thing to say, is it?

How is that helpful other than to annoy me? You should care about our alignment and it seems like you don't other than labeling us Plus Ee Vee Scum® but like you can't even point to a spot where we're like leading town off the cliff other than what, ffery was trying to explain to you her tenuous read on a slot that didn't align with yours?

-b

everyone makes mistakes but i'm not going to take it personally. stuff like this is offputting and just makes me want to kill you regardless though. (not that i have the ability to make that happen!)


i care about your alignment but i've been cycling through everyone trying to figure things out, i don't actually have good reasons to townread you, and at some point in conversing with you i started to get a bad gut feeling. i don't think she really explained a read though, i wanted some expression of thought that looked spontaneous and not constructed but didn't get it

[petapan]

peta if given the choice what is the order we yeet in this thread from first playaer to yourself (last)

i don't know anymore, can i take a raincheck on this