Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:41 pm
Although this game might just be the game that teaches me emotional detachment.
I think we're talking past each other.In post 8472, mastin2 wrote:Like, I said you were playing badly.
Your posting post-game explicitly said that your early game was shit.
So I was explicitly saying something thatyou agree with being true.
'In retrospect' my ass. I knew I was correct at the time.
The thing about it is that you're continuing to always think the problem lies outside. You're continuing to think that it was something I did, when it was something you did at the time. Which you now know. But in the future, in the middle of the game, you're not going to act any differently. You're still going to think that it's something "I" (it can be anyone) did, rather than something you're doing. And when that game's over, you're going to go once again saying "In hindsight, it was on my end, but I had no way of knowing it was at the time".
Except yes you do.
By actually learning.
Like, this reminds me of the lectures I was on the receiving end of in my 2009 play.
When I actually started listening to them (took 'til 2011), I became a better player, because I actually DID stop making the same mistakes.
Still not a town entrance.In post 1217, Just Sheep Us wrote:HEY MUFFIN.
AP USED THAT EXACT ENTRANCE, NEARLY VERBATIM, IN A GAME WHERE HE WAS TOWN. AND WHERE MASTIN WAS SCUM AND PUSHED HIM FOR IT.
SO TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW IT'S "NOT A TOWN ENTRANCE"
And yet, I did my damnedest to communicate that you were wrong. I built as many bridges as I could; you were the one burning them down. Because you took it internally. You thought I was attacking your character. When what I was doing was, simply, reaching out to you. I tried to understand where you were coming from. You never reciprocated. I saw no effort to try and understand where I was coming from...and also no effort on your end to explain where you were coming from. Again because you wouldn't let me. You closed yourself off. And took things personally.In post 8476, BROseidon wrote:Of course from your PoV you knew you were right, because you could read your PM.
I couldn't, and I had an erroneous read.
This is the problem. You think there was no way to prevent it on your end, and it was purely on my end that it could be prevented. If you actually read my posting...you'll realize I changed approaches, multiple fucking times, in an attempt to do exactly that: prevent it. I put time and CONSIDERABLE effort into trying to bridge the gap and get you to open up...The only way to have prevented the situation from my end would have been to have had a correct read there.
I haven't used a single swear thoguhIn post 8431, BROseidon wrote:So then why not tell katsuki to stop it when the first thing he does post-game is come in and bm me?In post 8430, Tammy wrote:I feel like I do. I mean in the game Muffin and I talked about what I thought of how he comes across and I feel like I understand him a little better. I'll never feel like insulting people is all right, but I really don't think right after the game ended, a game that was pretty frustrating for most of us, where we just lost after, most of us having shit reads, is really a productive time to start pointing fingers over who was more toxic etc. The majority of us were, we can do better and should.
TheIn post 8479, mastin2 wrote:And yet, I did my damnedest to communicate that you were wrong. I built as many bridges as I could; you were the one burning them down. Because you took it internally. You thought I was attacking your character. When what I was doing was, simply, reaching out to you. I tried to understand where you were coming from. You never reciprocated. I saw no effort to try and understand where I was coming from...and also no effort on your end to explain where you were coming from. Again because you wouldn't let me. You closed yourself off. And took things personally.In post 8476, BROseidon wrote:Of course from your PoV you knew you were right, because you could read your PM.
I couldn't, and I had an erroneous read.
Whereas if you had opened up andlet us in, the whole crisis would have been averted.
This is the problem. You think there was no way to prevent it on your end, and it was purely on my end that it could be prevented. If you actually read my posting...you'll realize I changed approaches, multiple fucking times, in an attempt to do exactly that: prevent it. I put time and CONSIDERABLE effort into trying to bridge the gap and get you to open up...The only way to have prevented the situation from my end would have been to have had a correct read there.
...But because you thought and still think it's not something you could have stopped, that it wasn't something of your doing...that was impossible.
You can see it throughout nearly the whole game, even.
I was open. Rancid was open. Katsuki was open. RG was open. LB was open. Heck, Mara/Orc was open, too.
The neighborhood was shut.
In more ways than one.
The players who were most accurate were the players who let others in and tried to get into others.
Efforts which you're saying you think not possible on your end.
Except they are.
And they work.
The closest time you've gotten to reading me correctly was in the Xeno games...where you let that happen.
The games where you've read me wrong are the games where you've closed yourself off from others.
You just need to see it and recognize it.
Not in hindsight.
Hindsight's crap.
In the damn game. Pay attention to it.
And I can guarantee you.
GUARANTEE you.
That it'll go better for you than it did here.
Don't get self-absorbed.
Yes because I was undergoing a mental breakdown and recognized and acknowledged as much. Even when alive, I flat-out said that I wasn't communicating it as effectively as I could be...but that I was trying all the same.In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5944808#p5944808]post 8483[/url], fferyllt wrote:Mastin as you know, Bro wasn't the only player who interpreted what you meant as reach-outs to be attacks. There is probably a takeaway in that for you as well.
Town had no direction nor leader tbh.In post 8488, Cabd wrote:Btw this scumteam is already nommed for best mafia performance. Because hot damn.
LOL WASNT THIS GAME ENOUGH?In post 8493, AngryPidgeon wrote:Welp the next item on the revenge agenda is getting back at Iec/Nacho/Katsuki for that 3 room game.
If there was any rudeness, I imagine it was mutual. I seldom notice rudeness or process stuff as rudeness in mafia games. Usually when I stop and look around because someone complains about rudeness I find that it's mostly a style difference, whether play style or general communications style.In post 8486, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:And sorry Ffery for being rude to you overall.
OK FINE JUST YERKY AND NACHO THEN.In post 8494, Katsuki wrote:LOL WASNT THIS GAME ENOUGH?In post 8493, AngryPidgeon wrote:Welp the next item on the revenge agenda is getting back at Iec/Nacho/Katsuki for that 3 room game.