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Post Post #850 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:04 am

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Yeah I don't have a good excuse for wanting to hammer.

I just have to hope that the count was scum or I'm right about mole. If there's a game tomorrow definately go after DJ/Nightfall.

For what its worth,

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Post Post #851 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:07 am

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Really, Jahudo? :lol:

Sorry, but you're caught.
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Post Post #852 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:30 pm

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I need more time to think,
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Post Post #853 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:36 pm

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unvote.


can you explain this please? layman's terms.
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Post Post #854 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:58 pm

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don_johnson wrote:
unvote.


can you explain this please? layman's terms.
1)The Countess thought she put me at L-1.
-a)She was willing to accept her own lynch to lynch me.
-b)The Countess is now obvtown
2)Jahudo thought he hammered.
-a)This was the next post he made after The Countess's vote.
-b)He offered no reasoning and simply said "alright" or whatever it was.
-c)Jahudo is scum who thought he was winning the game.
-d)Jahudo has another buddy alive, or he wouldn't have hammered when he did.
-e)Assuming Jahudo's buddy is female, it's either you or Molest.
3)We lynch Jahudo today and you tomorrow, and town is guaranteed to win.
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Post Post #855 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:09 am

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i haven't suspected jahudo at all, but on reread i found molest's play extremely questionable.

hmm. so you originally lied about your power?
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Post Post #856 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:05 am

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@DJ
Kmd4390 wrote:10 - During twilight, everyone may talk until night falls.
I was gonna claim cop (although it really was just flavor) with innocents on Jahudo/Molest and "no result" on The Countess. That would make Don/Nightfall scum by default. If I was right, it would win the game. If not, well I'd look like a dick.[/quote]
I think KMD is saying he is a vanilla but at one time he thought about fakeclaiming Cop. It's a dangerous gambit, but that's all in the past.
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Post Post #857 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:06 am

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EBWOP:
Kmd4390 wrote:I was gonna claim cop (although it really was just flavor) with innocents on Jahudo/Molest and "no result" on The Countess. That would make Don/Nightfall scum by default. If I was right, it would win the game. If not, well I'd look like a dick.
I think KMD is saying he is a vanilla but at one time he thought about fakeclaiming Cop. It's a dangerous gambit, but that's all in the past.
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Post Post #858 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:41 am

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vote: jahudo


i didn't read the "alright" as a scum-tell, but i can't explain the vote switch after the fact. it certainly makes sense with a jahudo/mole scumteam. i understand what you are saying kmd, a bit sketchy, but this recent chain of events makes sense.
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Post Post #859 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:12 am

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The alright was in response to this:
don_johnson wrote:honestly, jahudo, with countess voting her table partner this should be an easy decision. one of the two of them is most likely scum(if not both). mole can wait.
It made enough sense to me at the time and I noticed I was the only person not voting so I figured everyone was giving me the go-ahead.

That actually reminds me of DHSDSM alpha. I was given the go-ahead to decide the game by hammering someone, but I didn't because I hadn't seen the vote count say I would be the hammer. I was scum in that game but I played it cautious because in the back of my mind I didn't want to think I was hammering when a misspelled vote didn't count.

It's the same here because we hadn't had a vote count in a while and people were trying to double vote. If I was scum, that would be at the front of my mind again.
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Post Post #860 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:18 am

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Only KMD was in that game but he wasn't alive at endgame so here's some links:

Where I didn't hammer: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 00#1670700

Causing Orto to think I'm town: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 19#1670719

And RW thinking I'm town: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 65#1670765

Then comes the vote count: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 14#1670914

And finally I hammer once I know I will be the hammer: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 71#1671071
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Post Post #861 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:56 am

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what does a previous game have to do with anything?

is the defense of your actions going to be "meta"? (no, i haven't clicked on the links. probably won't in the future either. meta is useless and wifomic.)
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Post Post #862 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:52 am

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There's no way I would try to hammer as scum unless I knew for sure it would be a hammer, as evidenced by that alpha game.

But as town I'm bored with trying to figure out who is scum so I just wanted to end the game. :D
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Post Post #863 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:40 pm

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don_johnson wrote: hmm. so you originally lied about your power?
Who did?
Jahudo wrote: I think KMD is saying he is a vanilla but at one time he thought about fakeclaiming Cop. It's a dangerous gambit, but that's all in the past.
Yeah, I almost did it until I was "lynched" and you became obvscum.

To avoid confusion, I am a VT and thought about fakeclaiming cop to get the lynch I wanted. I didn't do it though. :lol:
Jahudo wrote: That actually reminds me of DHSDSM alpha. I was given the go-ahead to decide the game by hammering someone, but I didn't because I hadn't seen the vote count say I would be the hammer. I was scum in that game but I played it cautious because in the back of my mind I didn't want to think I was hammering when a misspelled vote didn't count.

It's the same here because we hadn't had a vote count in a while and people were trying to double vote. If I was scum, that would be at the front of my mind again.
Wait, what? In double head, you were scum and didn't vote right away. Here, you voted anyway. Are you saying that you were unsure and wouldn't have voted as scum? Then why do it as town?
Jahudo wrote:Only KMD was in that game but he wasn't alive at endgame so here's some links:
I follow my games after I die. Not closely, but I know what happened.
Jahudo wrote:There's no way I would try to hammer as scum unless I knew for sure it would be a hammer, as evidenced by that alpha game.

But as town I'm bored with trying to figure out who is scum so
I just wanted to end the game.
:D
To end the game, you'd have had to double mislynch or hope The Count was scum. So if you thought The Countess and I were both town, why would you hammer? Are you claiming to not be playing to win, but instead, be playing to end the game you are bored of? If this is the case, request replacement now. Nah, you don't have to do that. You are scum, so it doesn't matter.
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Post Post #864 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:08 pm

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I thought I was given the go-ahead to hammer since everyone else was voting for someone. I was the tie-break and I had to make a decision.

Even though I haven't posted my notes, I have re-read this thread enough for one game and I still don't feel very confidant in mole/nightfall but that seems to be the only pair possible now that I know KMD isn't scum.

And I voted in that exact post because Countess and DJ had already made their cases and I trusted them being town. I had no one left to argue with but myself.
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Jahudo wrote:I thought I was given the go-ahead to hammer since everyone else was voting for someone. I was the tie-break and I had to make a decision.
Then why not post reasons? If you were right, the game was going to continue into the next day. You already implied that you wanted to end the game though. So what made you think the game would end? Did you think you were lynching town or did you think The Count was confirmed scum?
Jahudo wrote:Even though I haven't posted my notes, I have re-read this thread enough for one game and I still don't feel very confidant in mole/nightfall but that seems to be the only pair possible now that I know KMD isn't scum.
The only reason to "know" I am town is because scum tried to hammer me. That's you btw.
Jahudo wrote:And I voted in that exact post because Countess and DJ had already made their cases and I trusted them being town. I had no one left to argue with but myself.
Still good to see reasons for the next day.
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Post Post #866 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:17 pm

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1. In this game I didn't care if the double votes counted but I assumed they did since we are really voting for pairs. But I felt like I was the tie-breaker because everyone had made their suspicions known through votes.

As scum I probably would have PM'ed the mod to a vote count first, or at least to ask if I was going to be the hammer.

2. I didn't trust KMD when he forgot his win condition, which helped me transition from Nightfall to KMD. When I voted I was confidant that me/Countess/DJ were right about KMD being scum.

3. I don't have any notes to post from when I've re-read the thread.
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Post Post #867 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:22 pm

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Jahudo wrote:1. In this game I didn't care if the double votes counted but I assumed they did since we are really voting for pairs. But I felt like I was the tie-breaker because everyone had made their suspicions known through votes.

As scum I probably would have PM'ed the mod to a vote count first, or at least to ask if I was going to be the hammer.
In hindsight, that would be the better move for you. I don't think you thought about it though. Why didn't you question Nightfall's vote when it first happened?

Better yet, why did YOU vote a pair originally?

Even better, what made you change from voting the Don/Nightfall pair to voting me? Don must be your buddy, right?
Jahudo wrote:2. I didn't trust KMD when he forgot his win condition, which helped me transition from Nightfall to KMD. When I voted I was confidant that me/Countess/DJ were right about KMD being scum.
Ok, you addressed the switch. Why not bring this up when you voted? Why wait until you are likely to be called on it?
Jahudo wrote:3. I don't have any notes to post from when I've re-read the thread.
Do you normally hammer as town without reasons when you expect the game to continue? Actually, you said you wanted to end the game. And you still haven't addressed why you thought ending the game at that time would have been good for the town.
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Post Post #868 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:26 pm

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My previous post was a response to 863.
Kmd4390 wrote:Then why not post reasons? If you were right, the game was going to continue into the next day. You already implied that you wanted to end the game though. So what made you think the game would end? Did you think you were lynching town or did you think The Count was confirmed scum?
1. I wouldn't have needed a reason if I was right about you since we couldn't be scum together. I was prepared to accept blame if I was wrong.

2. I meant that I didn't want to wait a couple weeks for the table to shift and align you with mole. If you flipped scum I would not believe you could be scum with DJ so lynching mole next would be easy.

3. Of course if I was wrong about KMD then I would have done the town a disservice by not waiting for a better pairing, but again I really trusted Countess' sudden burst of confidence.

4. Can we have an avatar bet over whether or not I'm scum? :D

I know I should just shut up and accept my fate, but this is fun
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Post Post #869 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:35 pm

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[qupte="Jahudo"]1. I wouldn't have needed a reason if I was right about you since we couldn't be scum together. I was prepared to accept blame if I was wrong. [/quote]

What? Bad logic.
Jahudo wrote:2. I meant that I didn't want to wait a couple weeks for the table to shift and align you with mole. If you flipped scum I would not believe you could be scum with DJ so lynching mole next would be easy.
Why are we hearing this for the first time? And why couldn't I be scum with Don? Do I come off as someone who wouldn't bus?
Jahudo wrote:4. Can we have an avatar bet over whether or not I'm scum?
You're sick of your avatar already? Btw, I've never even won an avatar bet before. I made one like what you are doing now once though. I was scum with Kirroha once and I was lovers with Amished, so we bet in our QT over Percy's alignment. I bet that he was scum knowing that I was wrong. XD
Jahudo wrote:I know I should just shut up and accept my fate, but this is fun
That's a scum claim, right?
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Post Post #870 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:55 pm

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Lol. My previous post was a response to 865. This post is a response to 867.
Kmd4390 wrote:Why didn't you question Nightfall's vote when it first happened?
Better yet, why did YOU vote a pair originally?

Even better, what made you change from voting the Don/Nightfall pair to voting me? Don must be your buddy, right?
1. As town I'm not worried about the repercussions of trying to hammer and failing. Maybe in the future I should be more worried.

2. Great, now I can't even go down with the person I think is scum? I'm letting you know in advance that if you want to play the WIFOM game here I'll play it right back.
What does that even mean?

KMD wrote:Ok, you addressed the switch. Why not bring this up when you voted? Why wait until you are likely to be called on it?
It would have looked cool if you had flipped scum. Like, Die scum! And then you are scum.
KMD wrote:Do you normally hammer as town without reasons when you expect the game to continue? Actually, you said you wanted to end the game. And you still haven't addressed why you thought ending the game at that time would have been good for the town.
1. No, this is a new thing for me.

2. The hammer would have either lost the game for us or won the game for us, wouldn't it have? It really was an anti-town move. But look on the bright side, it clears you as town :D

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Ok, now post 869:
KMD wrote:What? Bad logic.
Yes. I was acting irrational.
KMD wrote:Why are we hearing this for the first time? And why couldn't I be scum with Don? Do I come off as someone who wouldn't bus?
I thought that with your combined effort you could have pulled off a Countess/Nightfall lynch like I totally wanted to do.
KMD wrote:That's a scum claim, right?
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Jahudo wrote:1. As town I'm not worried about the repercussions of trying to hammer and failing. Maybe in the future I should be more worried.

2. Great, now I can't even go down with the person I think is scum? I'm letting you know in advance that if you want to play the WIFOM game here I'll play it right back. What does that even mean?
Again, why didn't you question Nightfall's vote when he voted? Again, why did YOU vote the Nightfall/Don pair as a pair and not as a player?

I like WIFOM games. /in. You had the choice to lynch either the Kmd/Countess pair or the Don/Nightfall pair. Now, your vote suggests that you thought you were winning the game. Because scum who is last alive is more careful and will explain their vote. Town would think a little and probably not vote in that post. And if they did, they'd explain because you voted Don/Nightfall before. You'd at least want to think. And you unvoted at a time where your buddy would be out of danger if you just unvoted and switched to me. And when you had the choice, you picked The Countess and myself. So you have to be scum and your partner is Don or you'd have had no reason to want to lynch Kmd/Countess over Don/Nightfall. So the WIFOM would indicate you and Don have to be scum.
Jahudo wrote:It would have looked cool if you had flipped scum. Like, Die scum! And then you are scum.
XD. I guess so. Kind of reminds me of a time when SensFan hammered DarkCoffee or whatever his name was very early in Day 1 without a claim. Then Dark flipped scum. Sens went on to (kill me of course and then) win as scum.
Jahudo wrote:1. No, this is a new thing for me.
lol, ok.
Jahudo wrote:2. The hammer would have either lost the game for us or won the game for us, wouldn't it have? It really was an anti-town move. But look on the bright side, it clears you as town
Gives me an idea for a cool Gambit.
Jahudo wrote:Yes. I was acting irrational.
I usually do as caught scum too. Hell, even as suspected town. I need to learn how to handle pressure. It's cool though. XD
Jahudo wrote:I thought that with your combined effort you could have pulled off a Countess/Nightfall lynch like I totally wanted to do.
Yeah, that was what I was trying to get. You looked so protown, so it seemed like a guaranteed town win. Oh well, I didn't screw the town, so it's ok. XD
Jahudo wrote:No.
Seemed to be. Are you telling me that as town, you are willing to be lynched and lose the game? Or are you that confident that Molest is scum?
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Post Post #872 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:02 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Again, why didn't you question Nightfall's vote when he voted? Again, why did YOU vote the Nightfall/Don pair as a pair and not as a player?
Because I was ready to show who I was siding. I was the only one not to do it. Regardless of whether anybody's vote counted, we had all decided which way to vote.
KMD wrote:I like WIFOM games. /in. You had the choice to lynch either the Kmd/Countess pair or the Don/Nightfall pair. Now, your vote suggests that you thought you were winning the game.
I thought I had caught 1 scum while knowing I had the chance to catch the other tomorrow. So yeah, I thought we could win the whole game that way.
KMD wrote:Because scum who is last alive is more careful and will explain their vote.
I agree. Someone who hammers without explaining the timing of the hammer in that post will look suspicious if 1 scum flips and the hammer expected it to happen because they were already publicly bussing by that point. That doesn't apply with me because I said Countess was town and I was voting for you. Even if I didn't give reasons, I think I made it clear I was voting you.
KMD wrote:Town would think a little and probably not vote in that post. And if they did, they'd explain because you voted Don/Nightfall before.
Both as likely since I was given the tie-breaker. I was the only undecided and until someone unvoted, you would want to convince me. I didn't need any convincing anymore, because I talked it over with myself and we both decided it was good enough to represent the people that gave me the tie-breaker.
KMD wrote:You'd at least want to think. And you unvoted at a time where your buddy would be out of danger if you just unvoted and switched to me.
When I unvoted I had singled out mole as scum. You were voting along with him and had some suspicions on you because of win con. That's why I said the pairing looked more interesting than DJ/Nightfall.

I only wanted DJ/Nightfall because I thought it contained 1 scum and 1 town that was allowed to go home with scum. The only difference with Countess/KMD was I thought it had 1 scum and 1 town willing to sacrifice for the greater good.
KMD wrote:And when you had the choice, you picked The Countess and myself. So you have to be scum and your partner is Don or you'd have had no reason to want to lynch Kmd/Countess over Don/Nightfall. So the WIFOM would indicate you and Don have to be scum.
If that's what you want to think, go ahead. You'll see I didn't think he was scum but I was willing to lynch him because his win condition allowed him to win if he went home with scum. That's a good reason to vote for someone paired with Nightfall-scum since I didn't want to wait 3 weeks for a table switch.

I would have been a whole lot more pro-town if we could vote for an instant table-switch. It really killed my endurance :(
KMD wrote:XD. I guess so. Kind of reminds me of a time when SensFan hammered DarkCoffee or whatever his name was very early in Day 1 without a claim. Then Dark flipped scum. Sens went on to (kill me of course and then) win as scum.
I see what you did there, comparing me to scum. Hahahahaha, whatever town.
KMD wrote:Seemed to be. Are you telling me that as town, you are willing to be lynched and lose the game? Or are you that confident that Molest is scum?
I'll get back to this in my next post.
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Post Post #873 (ISO) » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:23 pm

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Jahudo wrote:Because I was ready to show who I was siding. I was the only one not to do it. Regardless of whether anybody's vote counted, we had all decided which way to vote.
This explains why you voted Don/Nightfall more than it explains why you voted a pair and didn't question Nightfall voting a pair.
Jahudo wrote:I thought I had caught 1 scum while knowing I had the chance to catch the other tomorrow. So yeah, I thought we could win the whole game that way.
Did you not read the WIFOM game? You are scum. This much is a fact. I use more WIFOM to find your partner, Don.
Jahudo wrote:I agree. Someone who hammers without explaining the timing of the hammer in that post will look suspicious if 1 scum flips and the hammer expected it to happen because they were already publicly bussing by that point. That doesn't apply with me because I said Countess was town and I was voting for you. Even if I didn't give reasons, I think I made it clear I was voting you.
What I was saying is that if you are the last scum, lynching The Countess and myself would bring us to tomorrow, down two townies. You look way too suspicious to go into LYLO without explaining the hammer. So that means you aren't the last scum. You have a buddy still alive. Then when you vote Don/Nightfall, unvote, and choose Countess/Kmd as the lynch, it means Don is your buddy.
Jahudo wrote:Both as likely since I was given the tie-breaker. I was the only undecided and until someone unvoted, you would want to convince me. I didn't need any convincing anymore, because I talked it over with myself and we both decided it was good enough to represent the people that gave me the tie-breaker.
You were undecided? You had voted Don/Nightfall before. You'd think there would be some reasoning with a vote for me if you were town who changed your mind.

I just checked your unvote post. You said you wouldn't mind leaving with Molest. Is this still the case? If so, prove it. If not, you have some 'splainin to do.
Jahudo wrote:When I unvoted I had singled out mole as scum. You were voting along with him and had some suspicions on you because of win con. That's why I said the pairing looked more interesting than DJ/Nightfall.
I don't see this between the unvote and the "hammer". Ok, you mention a Kmd/Molest scum team in the unvote post. I stand corrected. New question then. Why are you voting Nightfall now? What makes me so townie? The only way I see myself as anywhere near confirmed is if you are scum who tried to hammer me to win the game, which is what your vote looks like.
Jahudo wrote:I only wanted DJ/Nightfall because I thought it contained 1 scum and 1 town that was allowed to go home with scum. The only difference with Countess/KMD was I thought it had 1 scum and 1 town willing to sacrifice for the greater good.
You said you voted me for a connection to Molest. If Molest was scum, why was Don scum? Or were you thinking Nightfall was scum? Wait, then what made you switch to me? I'm a little lost on your suspicions.
Nightfall wrote:If that's what you want to think, go ahead. You'll see I didn't think he was scum but I was willing to lynch him because his win condition allowed him to win if he went home with scum. That's a good reason to vote for someone paired with Nightfall-scum since I didn't want to wait 3 weeks for a table switch.
So you thought I was scum with Nightfall? What happened to the male/female pair thing?
Jahudo wrote:I see what you did there, comparing me to scum. Hahahahaha, whatever town.
XD
Jahudo wrote:I'll get back to this in my next post.
You'll "get back to" whether or not you were scum claiming. I think you are debating on whether or not to just get it over with. Trust me, claiming scum when you are going down is fun. You get to WIFOM the town into figuring out who your buddy is. For example, if you were to say you have 2 buddies alive and the game is continuing because of the pair mechanic, we'd believe you until we figure out that we need 4 to lynch, so the game would actually be over. Or if you said The Count was scum, you could trick us into looking for connections to him and you both after you flip scum and the game continues. There are a lot of options after you claim scum. It's not like it's game over at that point.
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Post Post #874 (ISO) » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:38 am

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I'm Reverend Green, townie. Would a holy man want to commit adultery? Unless molestarbucks is an altar boy, I rest my case. :D
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