I just have to hope that the count was scum or I'm right about mole. If there's a game tomorrow definately go after DJ/Nightfall.
For what its worth,
Vote: Nightfall
1)The Countess thought she put me at L-1.don_johnson wrote:unvote.
can you explain this please? layman's terms.
I was gonna claim cop (although it really was just flavor) with innocents on Jahudo/Molest and "no result" on The Countess. That would make Don/Nightfall scum by default. If I was right, it would win the game. If not, well I'd look like a dick.[/quote]Kmd4390 wrote:10 - During twilight, everyone may talk until night falls.
I think KMD is saying he is a vanilla but at one time he thought about fakeclaiming Cop. It's a dangerous gambit, but that's all in the past.Kmd4390 wrote:I was gonna claim cop (although it really was just flavor) with innocents on Jahudo/Molest and "no result" on The Countess. That would make Don/Nightfall scum by default. If I was right, it would win the game. If not, well I'd look like a dick.
It made enough sense to me at the time and I noticed I was the only person not voting so I figured everyone was giving me the go-ahead.don_johnson wrote:honestly, jahudo, with countess voting her table partner this should be an easy decision. one of the two of them is most likely scum(if not both). mole can wait.
Who did?don_johnson wrote: hmm. so you originally lied about your power?
Yeah, I almost did it until I was "lynched" and you became obvscum.Jahudo wrote: I think KMD is saying he is a vanilla but at one time he thought about fakeclaiming Cop. It's a dangerous gambit, but that's all in the past.
Wait, what? In double head, you were scum and didn't vote right away. Here, you voted anyway. Are you saying that you were unsure and wouldn't have voted as scum? Then why do it as town?Jahudo wrote: That actually reminds me of DHSDSM alpha. I was given the go-ahead to decide the game by hammering someone, but I didn't because I hadn't seen the vote count say I would be the hammer. I was scum in that game but I played it cautious because in the back of my mind I didn't want to think I was hammering when a misspelled vote didn't count.
It's the same here because we hadn't had a vote count in a while and people were trying to double vote. If I was scum, that would be at the front of my mind again.
I follow my games after I die. Not closely, but I know what happened.Jahudo wrote:Only KMD was in that game but he wasn't alive at endgame so here's some links:
To end the game, you'd have had to double mislynch or hope The Count was scum. So if you thought The Countess and I were both town, why would you hammer? Are you claiming to not be playing to win, but instead, be playing to end the game you are bored of? If this is the case, request replacement now. Nah, you don't have to do that. You are scum, so it doesn't matter.Jahudo wrote:There's no way I would try to hammer as scum unless I knew for sure it would be a hammer, as evidenced by that alpha game.
But as town I'm bored with trying to figure out who is scum soI just wanted to end the game.
Then why not post reasons? If you were right, the game was going to continue into the next day. You already implied that you wanted to end the game though. So what made you think the game would end? Did you think you were lynching town or did you think The Count was confirmed scum?Jahudo wrote:I thought I was given the go-ahead to hammer since everyone else was voting for someone. I was the tie-break and I had to make a decision.
The only reason to "know" I am town is because scum tried to hammer me. That's you btw.Jahudo wrote:Even though I haven't posted my notes, I have re-read this thread enough for one game and I still don't feel very confidant in mole/nightfall but that seems to be the only pair possible now that I know KMD isn't scum.
Still good to see reasons for the next day.Jahudo wrote:And I voted in that exact post because Countess and DJ had already made their cases and I trusted them being town. I had no one left to argue with but myself.
In hindsight, that would be the better move for you. I don't think you thought about it though. Why didn't you question Nightfall's vote when it first happened?Jahudo wrote:1. In this game I didn't care if the double votes counted but I assumed they did since we are really voting for pairs. But I felt like I was the tie-breaker because everyone had made their suspicions known through votes.
As scum I probably would have PM'ed the mod to a vote count first, or at least to ask if I was going to be the hammer.
Ok, you addressed the switch. Why not bring this up when you voted? Why wait until you are likely to be called on it?Jahudo wrote:2. I didn't trust KMD when he forgot his win condition, which helped me transition from Nightfall to KMD. When I voted I was confidant that me/Countess/DJ were right about KMD being scum.
Do you normally hammer as town without reasons when you expect the game to continue? Actually, you said you wanted to end the game. And you still haven't addressed why you thought ending the game at that time would have been good for the town.Jahudo wrote:3. I don't have any notes to post from when I've re-read the thread.
1. I wouldn't have needed a reason if I was right about you since we couldn't be scum together. I was prepared to accept blame if I was wrong.Kmd4390 wrote:Then why not post reasons? If you were right, the game was going to continue into the next day. You already implied that you wanted to end the game though. So what made you think the game would end? Did you think you were lynching town or did you think The Count was confirmed scum?
Why are we hearing this for the first time? And why couldn't I be scum with Don? Do I come off as someone who wouldn't bus?Jahudo wrote:2. I meant that I didn't want to wait a couple weeks for the table to shift and align you with mole. If you flipped scum I would not believe you could be scum with DJ so lynching mole next would be easy.
You're sick of your avatar already? Btw, I've never even won an avatar bet before. I made one like what you are doing now once though. I was scum with Kirroha once and I was lovers with Amished, so we bet in our QT over Percy's alignment. I bet that he was scum knowing that I was wrong. XDJahudo wrote:4. Can we have an avatar bet over whether or not I'm scum?
That's a scum claim, right?Jahudo wrote:I know I should just shut up and accept my fate, but this is fun
1. As town I'm not worried about the repercussions of trying to hammer and failing. Maybe in the future I should be more worried.Kmd4390 wrote:Why didn't you question Nightfall's vote when it first happened?
Better yet, why did YOU vote a pair originally?
Even better, what made you change from voting the Don/Nightfall pair to voting me? Don must be your buddy, right?
It would have looked cool if you had flipped scum. Like, Die scum! And then you are scum.KMD wrote:Ok, you addressed the switch. Why not bring this up when you voted? Why wait until you are likely to be called on it?
1. No, this is a new thing for me.KMD wrote:Do you normally hammer as town without reasons when you expect the game to continue? Actually, you said you wanted to end the game. And you still haven't addressed why you thought ending the game at that time would have been good for the town.
Yes. I was acting irrational.KMD wrote:What? Bad logic.
I thought that with your combined effort you could have pulled off a Countess/Nightfall lynch like I totally wanted to do.KMD wrote:Why are we hearing this for the first time? And why couldn't I be scum with Don? Do I come off as someone who wouldn't bus?
No.KMD wrote:That's a scum claim, right?
Again, why didn't you question Nightfall's vote when he voted? Again, why did YOU vote the Nightfall/Don pair as a pair and not as a player?Jahudo wrote:1. As town I'm not worried about the repercussions of trying to hammer and failing. Maybe in the future I should be more worried.
2. Great, now I can't even go down with the person I think is scum? I'm letting you know in advance that if you want to play the WIFOM game here I'll play it right back. What does that even mean?
XD. I guess so. Kind of reminds me of a time when SensFan hammered DarkCoffee or whatever his name was very early in Day 1 without a claim. Then Dark flipped scum. Sens went on to (kill me of course and then) win as scum.Jahudo wrote:It would have looked cool if you had flipped scum. Like, Die scum! And then you are scum.
lol, ok.Jahudo wrote:1. No, this is a new thing for me.
Gives me an idea for a cool Gambit.Jahudo wrote:2. The hammer would have either lost the game for us or won the game for us, wouldn't it have? It really was an anti-town move. But look on the bright side, it clears you as town
I usually do as caught scum too. Hell, even as suspected town. I need to learn how to handle pressure. It's cool though. XDJahudo wrote:Yes. I was acting irrational.
Yeah, that was what I was trying to get. You looked so protown, so it seemed like a guaranteed town win. Oh well, I didn't screw the town, so it's ok. XDJahudo wrote:I thought that with your combined effort you could have pulled off a Countess/Nightfall lynch like I totally wanted to do.
Seemed to be. Are you telling me that as town, you are willing to be lynched and lose the game? Or are you that confident that Molest is scum?Jahudo wrote:No.
Because I was ready to show who I was siding. I was the only one not to do it. Regardless of whether anybody's vote counted, we had all decided which way to vote.Kmd4390 wrote:Again, why didn't you question Nightfall's vote when he voted? Again, why did YOU vote the Nightfall/Don pair as a pair and not as a player?
I thought I had caught 1 scum while knowing I had the chance to catch the other tomorrow. So yeah, I thought we could win the whole game that way.KMD wrote:I like WIFOM games. /in. You had the choice to lynch either the Kmd/Countess pair or the Don/Nightfall pair. Now, your vote suggests that you thought you were winning the game.
I agree. Someone who hammers without explaining the timing of the hammer in that post will look suspicious if 1 scum flips and the hammer expected it to happen because they were already publicly bussing by that point. That doesn't apply with me because I said Countess was town and I was voting for you. Even if I didn't give reasons, I think I made it clear I was voting you.KMD wrote:Because scum who is last alive is more careful and will explain their vote.
Both as likely since I was given the tie-breaker. I was the only undecided and until someone unvoted, you would want to convince me. I didn't need any convincing anymore, because I talked it over with myself and we both decided it was good enough to represent the people that gave me the tie-breaker.KMD wrote:Town would think a little and probably not vote in that post. And if they did, they'd explain because you voted Don/Nightfall before.
When I unvoted I had singled out mole as scum. You were voting along with him and had some suspicions on you because of win con. That's why I said the pairing looked more interesting than DJ/Nightfall.KMD wrote:You'd at least want to think. And you unvoted at a time where your buddy would be out of danger if you just unvoted and switched to me.
If that's what you want to think, go ahead. You'll see I didn't think he was scum but I was willing to lynch him because his win condition allowed him to win if he went home with scum. That's a good reason to vote for someone paired with Nightfall-scum since I didn't want to wait 3 weeks for a table switch.KMD wrote:And when you had the choice, you picked The Countess and myself. So you have to be scum and your partner is Don or you'd have had no reason to want to lynch Kmd/Countess over Don/Nightfall. So the WIFOM would indicate you and Don have to be scum.
I see what you did there, comparing me to scum. Hahahahaha, whatever town.KMD wrote:XD. I guess so. Kind of reminds me of a time when SensFan hammered DarkCoffee or whatever his name was very early in Day 1 without a claim. Then Dark flipped scum. Sens went on to (kill me of course and then) win as scum.
I'll get back to this in my next post.KMD wrote:Seemed to be. Are you telling me that as town, you are willing to be lynched and lose the game? Or are you that confident that Molest is scum?
This explains why you voted Don/Nightfall more than it explains why you voted a pair and didn't question Nightfall voting a pair.Jahudo wrote:Because I was ready to show who I was siding. I was the only one not to do it. Regardless of whether anybody's vote counted, we had all decided which way to vote.
Did you not read the WIFOM game? You are scum. This much is a fact. I use more WIFOM to find your partner, Don.Jahudo wrote:I thought I had caught 1 scum while knowing I had the chance to catch the other tomorrow. So yeah, I thought we could win the whole game that way.
What I was saying is that if you are the last scum, lynching The Countess and myself would bring us to tomorrow, down two townies. You look way too suspicious to go into LYLO without explaining the hammer. So that means you aren't the last scum. You have a buddy still alive. Then when you vote Don/Nightfall, unvote, and choose Countess/Kmd as the lynch, it means Don is your buddy.Jahudo wrote:I agree. Someone who hammers without explaining the timing of the hammer in that post will look suspicious if 1 scum flips and the hammer expected it to happen because they were already publicly bussing by that point. That doesn't apply with me because I said Countess was town and I was voting for you. Even if I didn't give reasons, I think I made it clear I was voting you.
You were undecided? You had voted Don/Nightfall before. You'd think there would be some reasoning with a vote for me if you were town who changed your mind.Jahudo wrote:Both as likely since I was given the tie-breaker. I was the only undecided and until someone unvoted, you would want to convince me. I didn't need any convincing anymore, because I talked it over with myself and we both decided it was good enough to represent the people that gave me the tie-breaker.
I don't see this between the unvote and the "hammer". Ok, you mention a Kmd/Molest scum team in the unvote post. I stand corrected. New question then. Why are you voting Nightfall now? What makes me so townie? The only way I see myself as anywhere near confirmed is if you are scum who tried to hammer me to win the game, which is what your vote looks like.Jahudo wrote:When I unvoted I had singled out mole as scum. You were voting along with him and had some suspicions on you because of win con. That's why I said the pairing looked more interesting than DJ/Nightfall.
You said you voted me for a connection to Molest. If Molest was scum, why was Don scum? Or were you thinking Nightfall was scum? Wait, then what made you switch to me? I'm a little lost on your suspicions.Jahudo wrote:I only wanted DJ/Nightfall because I thought it contained 1 scum and 1 town that was allowed to go home with scum. The only difference with Countess/KMD was I thought it had 1 scum and 1 town willing to sacrifice for the greater good.
So you thought I was scum with Nightfall? What happened to the male/female pair thing?Nightfall wrote:If that's what you want to think, go ahead. You'll see I didn't think he was scum but I was willing to lynch him because his win condition allowed him to win if he went home with scum. That's a good reason to vote for someone paired with Nightfall-scum since I didn't want to wait 3 weeks for a table switch.
XDJahudo wrote:I see what you did there, comparing me to scum. Hahahahaha, whatever town.
You'll "get back to" whether or not you were scum claiming. I think you are debating on whether or not to just get it over with. Trust me, claiming scum when you are going down is fun. You get to WIFOM the town into figuring out who your buddy is. For example, if you were to say you have 2 buddies alive and the game is continuing because of the pair mechanic, we'd believe you until we figure out that we need 4 to lynch, so the game would actually be over. Or if you said The Count was scum, you could trick us into looking for connections to him and you both after you flip scum and the game continues. There are a lot of options after you claim scum. It's not like it's game over at that point.Jahudo wrote:I'll get back to this in my next post.