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Post Post #850 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:04 pm

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populartajo wrote:Fuck, didnt realize deadline was today.

Slicey, deadline extension, please. Did Brandi answer your prod?
I already gave an extension. And Brandi hasn't responded, but I believe she's V/LA due to an illness.
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Post Post #851 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:04 pm

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Sajin's twisting of what "the plan" is bothers me. Definitely thinking you're tomorrow's target.
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Post Post #852 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:12 pm

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Riceballtail wrote:Sajin's twisting of what "the plan" is bothers me. Definitely thinking you're tomorrow's target.
Ok, explain to me what the original plan is then explain how I twisted it.

I did post a case on you, you just refuse to accept it. You were damaging EVERYONE. This speaks a great deal of not wanting to get flips and instead wanting to lower everyone's hp. To add to this, you were not following the plan, even on final attack count.


I dislike Tajo still attacking someone else. Bleh. Still town though.


@Myko- I do not accept that as a reason. Scum have more incentive to want to buff themselves over see flips. Agreed? Thus I find it less protown to see someone buffing themselves over helping flip people.
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Post Post #853 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:14 pm

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Sajin wrote:I dislike Tajo still attacking someone else. Bleh. Still town though.
Yeah, this was my fault. I didnt realize deadline was today. Also the mod simulposted.
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Post Post #854 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:40 pm

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Sajin wrote:I did post a case on you, you just refuse to accept it. You were damaging EVERYONE. This speaks a great deal of not wanting to get flips and instead wanting to lower everyone's hp. To add to this, you were not following the plan, even on final attack count.
Wrong. Completely and absolutely wrong. I didn't say I wanted to damage EVERYONE, I wanted to put the second most suspicious person in the fray with the intent of getting more information out of the voting, as well as being able to put pressure on more than one person. I didn't want to lower hp unless it was someone deemed scummy enough to be lynched. I, according to what I understand from Tajo, am completely complying to the plan, and your argument is complete rubbish.
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Post Post #855 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:45 pm

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Reasons are old but still apply quite a bit, imo:

First

and the following is the post that came after

RayFrost wrote:Add to that...

no real scum hunting.

other than that... nothing else on RBT, but still scummier than the other options.
I don't consider getting into an argument about which theory/plan is better as scum hunting.
don't you feel silly now?
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Post Post #856 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:09 pm

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854 actually makes sense and I am somewhat regretting my committment to my attack. Oh well, not much I can do now. Personally, with these mechanics I am not opposed to speeding up these rounds. We need some more trainers revealed.
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Post Post #857 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:19 pm

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Riceballtail wrote:
Sajin wrote:I did post a case on you, you just refuse to accept it. You were damaging EVERYONE. This speaks a great deal of not wanting to get flips and instead wanting to lower everyone's hp. To add to this, you were not following the plan, even on final attack count.
Wrong. Completely and absolutely wrong. I didn't say I wanted to damage EVERYONE, I wanted to put the second most suspicious person in the fray with the intent of getting more information out of the voting, as well as being able to put pressure on more than one person. I didn't want to lower hp unless it was someone deemed scummy enough to be lynched. I, according to what I understand from Tajo, am completely complying to the plan, and your argument is complete rubbish.

I understand what you wanted in the second plan and disagree. However, I do not think you understood my argument because it was 2 different points:

1- You have attacked multiple people in the thread trying to imo whittle multiple people's hp down without seeing flips. I think this is scummy. I am attacking your action history in the thread here.

2- Attacking a 2nd person improves the plan how? In my opinion it weakens it. I am attacking your theory here.


I never said your understanding of the plan led you to attack multiple people. These are separate points.

The onus is not on me to explain how your action history does not match your theory. Its on you. If you feel you have explained this in the thread then please point it out to me.

Follow up question:

- What is the town perspective reasoning behind attacking someone for being scummy, unless you attack them until they flip, assuming you did not change stances about if they were scum or not?
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Post Post #858 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:11 pm

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Reminder to not forget to PM which attack you would like to use by tomorrow 6 PM EST.
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Post Post #859 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:06 pm

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SP, SP, SP, Sajin, SP. Sounds like I've been attacking people I thought were scummy. I did get town vibes from Kiku, hence my interest in looking elsewhere, but confirming the attack like that today ruined what faith I had left. The switch to you was for your extreme lurking and seeming lack of interest. It was a pressure vote, that I didn't think was worth removing. Otherwise, I have technically been following the plan since the first phase. The only reason I think you're going after me definitely looks like OMGUS, because you didn't mention me at all before I voted you.

Also, why are you asking me a question that you answered within the question itself? Anyone who is town would clearly attack someone for being scummy until they flipped unless they felt a change of stance. Since you are going to turn this against me, yes, I attacked you for being scummy and stopped my attacks on Kiku because I had a change of stance. Kiku's actions today provided otherwise.
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Post Post #860 (ISO) » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:29 pm

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Sajin wrote:@Myko- I do not accept that as a reason. Scum have more incentive to want to buff themselves over see flips. Agreed? Thus I find it less protown to see someone buffing themselves over helping flip people.
I somewhere have the feeling that I don't care what you accept. You give no reason, state is as a fact and ask me to agree.

Seriously, if you think you are so right, argue well, because
you just show you have no arguments
here, and do nothing to disprove mine.

I am staying with no attack, even though I just missed the deadline. I disagree with the way the attacks on RBT were formed, and I will not help a lynch of RBT this way.
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Post Post #861 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:29 am

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vote Sajin
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Post Post #862 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:45 pm

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mykonian wrote:
vote Sajin
1. why are you voting?

2. what good is a vote?
don't you feel silly now?
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Post Post #863 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:36 pm

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Vote: Mykonian
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Post Post #864 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:20 pm

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What are the points of these votes...

Can you explain your specific problems with killing RBT to me Myko?
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Post Post #865 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:06 am

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Mine was a joke.
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Post Post #866 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:47 am

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kikuchiyo wrote:Mine was a joke.
You voted Myko for a reason. What is that?
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Post Post #867 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:53 am

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Also mod activity is going downhill. I am totally losing interest and this only generates meh lynches like this one. For the way the wagon developed and the tone of RBT's last post, I think he is prob town but I really can't think in someone scummy in his wagon since it was once again meh.

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Post Post #868 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:08 am

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what good is a vote: discussion starter.
why did I pick sajin: I dislike his hiding behind the plan, and would love to see real scumhunting in stead of simply picking off people who disagree with you.

And again I agree with tajo. when I posted that, there were 2,5 day without any post. tbh, I no longer care.
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Post Post #869 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:42 am

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Ugh, really really sorry. Resolution phase will end in an hour or two. Normally I have Sunday's to do it (it does take a couple hours sometimes) and normally Sunday is the only day I have free time.
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Post Post #870 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:02 am

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Jynx uses Brick Break!
Raichu takes 46 damage!

Ludicolo uses Rock Climb!
Flareon takes 222 damage!
It’s super effective!

Gardevoir uses Shadow Ball!
Flareon takes 93 damage!
Flareon fainted!
RBT sends out Umbreon!


Wailord uses Rain Dance!
It starts raining!

Skarmory uses Air Cutter!
Umbreon takes 5 damage!

It’s raining!
Ludicolo recovers a small amount of HP!

Attack Phase 5 is over! Attack Phase 6 begins now, and will end in one week, November 23.

Brandi has not picked up her prod, and I'll have to find yet another replacement.

Alright, activity and interest seems to be completely dead. If a majority of people don't want to play anymore, then I'll stop it.
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Post Post #871 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:55 am

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mykonian wrote:
Sajin wrote:@Myko- I do not accept that as a reason. Scum have more incentive to want to buff themselves over see flips. Agreed? Thus I find it less protown to see someone buffing themselves over helping flip people.
I somewhere have the feeling that I don't care what you accept. You give no reason, state is as a fact and ask me to agree.

Seriously, if you think you are so right, argue well, because
you just show you have no arguments
here, and do nothing to disprove mine.

I am staying with no attack, even though I just missed the deadline. I disagree with the way the attacks on RBT were formed, and I will not help a lynch of RBT this way.

Your assuming that I have no arguement. I was looking for common ground to start discussion on.

Town has no reason to be able to one shot someone by buffing themselves. Town just had to gang attack 1 by 1 and we will likely eventually win.

So tell me again why you think town needs to be able to one shot people?

My answer to my rhetorical question: They do not, however scum would like to be able to. Therefore saying I will put a stop to any buffing is in my eyes a good thing to do.

I am not hiding behind the plan, the plan is the obvious strategy for town. Tell me why you think it is not? What would be a better plan in your eyes? Lets follow the plan. We finish off RBT, RBT picks her FOS and we kill that target. Lets say that is me. I give another FOS and town kills that target and so on and so forth.


@Slicey- I am all for stopping the game. This game is boring because the optimum strategy is for everyone to gang attack the same target over and over. Scum who insist on not doing this will get caught. Scum who try to blend in by following this plan have a very low chance of winning, much lower than 50 percent. The game of mafia needs nightkills in order to function well.

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Post Post #872 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:15 am

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How is it different from a vanilla 2/10 nightless though? That's what it becomes when town follows optimum play, it's just like lynching someone every day except for these two concepts. It might take a little bit longer to lynch someone and, in theory, individuals being lynched can whittle down the strength of people they think are scum if they so choose. Since there's no kill or lynch mechanic scum actually have to kill everyone so they don't automatically win when it comes down to 2/2 or 1/1. If the play is boring it's most likely our fault...
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Post Post #873 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:27 am

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Shotty to the Body wrote:How is it different from a vanilla 2/10 nightless though? That's what it becomes when town follows optimum play, it's just like lynching someone every day except for these two concepts. It might take a little bit longer to lynch someone and, in theory, individuals being lynched can whittle down the strength of people they think are scum if they so choose. Since there's no kill or lynch mechanic scum actually have to kill everyone so they don't automatically win when it comes down to 2/2 or 1/1. If the play is boring it's most likely our fault...
Fine then. I love the flavor of the game and I wish we would have an epic battle royal instead of the group attack thing. But playing to win in this setup is downright boring. I wish I did not have to choose between playing to win and playing to have fun with the theme and mechanics, but the design forced that choice.
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Post Post #874 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:30 am

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I am forced to agree.
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