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Post Post #850 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:37 am

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It was at no point implied Faraday was a bulletproof Survivor. A survivor by definition is someone with no special powers, who simply needs to outlast certain players - in this case, the SK. DJ, if you protected Faraday N2, claim it - though since you're voting JereIC, I assume you didn't. Otherwise, it is impossible for JereIC to have vigged Faraday N2, because Faraday would be dead.
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Post Post #851 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:13 am

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Votecount!

JereIC-(2)- don_johnson, Knights of Cydonia

Not Voting-(3)- MordyS, SpyerX, JereIC
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Post Post #852 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:50 am

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No way he's a vig. We've only ever seen 2 kills (and the game would be unbalanced with 3 possible kills a night). Especially since it seems like a few of us (myself, DJ) have fairly low defensive power levels. Maybe if it were a one-time vig shot, but he's claimed he at least tried to kill people twice. So you're saying I'm a one-shot commuter, and DJ is claiming a one-shot doctor, Doombunny + Starbuck can track but it takes TWO of them for one power, and another townie has a VIG power? That seems way out of proportion.
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Post Post #853 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:00 am

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Just theorizing out loud.
KOC wrote:DJ, if you protected Faraday N2, claim it - though since you're voting JereIC, I assume you didn't. Otherwise, it is impossible for JereIC to have vigged Faraday N2, because Faraday would be dead.
Ok, this is a strong argument and explains why Faraday would lie about being able to avoid a nightkill. Since the SK's win condition presumably involved killing Faraday (thematically, at least? It certainly wouldn't make sense for the SK's win condition to involve killing everyone since apparently SpyreX is un-nightkillable), Faraday would want him to believe he was unkillable (and probably not his target). I'm guessing the two targets for N2 were me and SpyreX (I used my one-shot ability then).

I also buy DJ's claim. One-shots and limited powers seem to be the game's MO. I'm a bit more confused about SpyreX's un-nightkillability. He's obviously leaving something out since that seems a bit overpowered for this setup and it seems a bit unfair to SK/Scum? I don't know if this is too meta, trying to doubleguess the GM. SpyreX, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to reveal your ability fully (tho we are in the midst of a mass-claim), but is it mediated in some way (like all the other powers seem to be)?
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Post Post #854 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:04 am

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SpyreX wrote:Well, just waiting for DJ. Then, a quick parse and we grease this pig (like I said I HAVE to operate under the premise that its 8-2-1-1 not 7-3-1-1 for balance although I don't think it changes too much either way).
Can you talk a bit about this? If it's 8-2-11, we're not at LYLO, correct? But if it's at 7-3-1-1, we are?
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Post Post #855 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:10 am

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Also, JereIC, why would you target Faraday on Night Two? And why after my defense on Boxman (which was completely true -- he was absolutely not scum, even if he was an SK) did you kill him on Night Three?
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Post Post #856 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:41 am

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Ok, apologies for spamming the thread so much. One last thing for now; a question for DJ.

If DJ is a one-shot doctor, we can assume that Ani was lying, which means he's scum, which suggests that there's only one scum left. (And may also vindicate DJ.) But if Ani wasn't lying, DJ probably isn't a doctor, which means he's probably scum. So I went back through the records to see how DJ felt about Ani after Ani claimed doctor. (My hypothesis: If DJ isn't lying, he would have immediately been skeptical of Ani's claim, even if he didn't want to make the discrepancy explicit.)

Animorpherv1 claimed doctor September 25, 2009 at 3:36pm (iso post 20).
animorpherv1 wrote:Anyways, I'm Vin. Doctor
But on September 29, 2009, after Animorpherv1 was modlynched:
DJ wrote:so animorph may have been scum? that's a bit difficult to fathom here. anyways, i think a reread is in order.
Why would that be difficult to fathom? He claimed your role! If you are really a doctor, you should've believed that he could've been scum.
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Post Post #857 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:57 am

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to clarify: my role is not "doctor". i have a one-shot doc ability.

i would have to reread to find my own train of thought, but

a) i didn't want to reveal i had the ability myself, and

b) i thought it plausible for their to be another doc ability in the mix.

the more i thought about it, the less i believed it.

i absolutely did not protect faraday.
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Post Post #858 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:59 am

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That's good enough for me. (God, hope this isn't game over.)

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Post Post #859 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:02 pm

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spyrex is probably scum. :)
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Post Post #860 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:09 pm

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Hmm... anyone want an update?
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Post Post #861 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:13 pm

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lolwatyes?
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Post Post #862 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:19 pm

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don_johnson wrote:i may or may not have used my ability.

vote: jereic


cut and dry here. an sk, mafia, survivor, AND vig?
So, you didn't comment on this when you posted a few minutes after I claimed, but two hours later you don't believe it?
KoC wrote:It was at no point implied Faraday was a bulletproof Survivor. A survivor by definition is someone with no special powers, who simply needs to outlast certain players - in this case, the SK. DJ, if you protected Faraday N2, claim it - though since you're voting JereIC, I assume you didn't. Otherwise, it is impossible for JereIC to have vigged Faraday N2, because Faraday would be dead.
Your invention to me was a bulletproof vest (which was used up last night, fyi) - I'm guessing Faraday got one too when you gave him a package, and my kill attempt was foiled by it.
MordyS wrote:Maybe if it were a one-time vig shot, but he's claimed he at least tried to kill people twice. So you're saying I'm a one-shot commuter, and DJ is claiming a one-shot doctor, Doombunny + Starbuck can track but it takes TWO of them for one power, and another townie has a VIG power? That seems way out of proportion.
We've also got an inventor handing out bulletproof vests and (apparently) a night-kill immune townie. That's two people who can make themselves immune to night kills (allegedly you once and SpyreX all the time), two people who can make other night-kill immune for one night (animorph and KoC), and a one-shot doc. I think town's got a lot of defensive power, even if you two individually don't.

Why Faraday? First, SK's massive post giving Faraday a town read was so weird I thought there had to be something going on. Then, during Day 2 (especially during the SK lynch), he was relatively inactive, while during Day 1 he was very active and did lots of scum hunting. I thought this was an odd change of character, and indicated that he was maybe partnered with SK.

Why Boxman? I've found lurkers are usually docs, anti-town, or me. Boxman was lurking, and I couldn't imagine there being two docs, so I decided to run the risk of killing him tonight. Also, MordyS, honestly your defense of him was incredibly lame.
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Post Post #863 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:19 pm

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Ah, you're kidding me, after all that time I put into my post?

Well, GG town. :P
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Post Post #864 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:21 pm

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Success? SUCCESS?
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Post Post #865 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:21 pm

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Haha.
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Post Post #866 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:21 pm

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sweet. a town vig claim will always have trouble floating when i'm alive. :wink:
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Post Post #867 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:24 pm

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I'm really proud of that Boxman Defense / Starbuck Offense. Even if it turned out Starbuck was Town, I think stopping the Boxman lynch helped me pseudo-cleared on Townie and nailed down the possibilities for this last day.
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Post Post #868 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:29 pm

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don_johnson wrote:sweet. a town vig claim will always have trouble floating when i'm alive. :wink:
Funny thing is, there actually was a vig - RossWilliams was a vigilante, and having his role kept secret from the town was one of the game mechanics. I'm guessing he was one-shot or something, though.

And I was telling the truth about Faraday and Boxman, only the motivations were different. :twisted:
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Post Post #869 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:39 pm

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JereIC-Dominic (Mafia Goon)-Lynched day four.

With that, the remaining 4 TOWNIES look at each other and realize they have eliminated the threats!

Town wins!!


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Shadow Knight: Brian (Undercover Cop/Double Agent. Godfather)
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MordyS: Truck Driver (1 shot Courier)
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Post Post #870 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:42 pm

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...I assume that Ross was a 1-shot Vig, like Jere said?

Anyway, good game to the Town. I was struggling to do ANYTHING this game, really - only one of my kills went through.

Also, sorry to Starbuck for killing her neighbor partner right off the bat. :P
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Post Post #871 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:42 pm

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Haha. Guys, I was scared to death the scum pair was DJ-SpyreX, in which case I was reconciled to the fact that I was ridiculously outclassed. Whew. This was seriously a gauntlet. Anyway, I'll have some breakdown in a bit of the game (including some words of potential advice for Starbuck if she wants to hear them). But this was intense. I feel like I just walked through fire. :P Seriously amazing play kudos to SpyreX.

And thanks everyone! This was my first non-newbie game (my third Mafia game ever!) and it was -- well, at times frustrating -- but totally worth it in the end.
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Post Post #872 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:58 pm

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Also, I'm curious - did the mafia target me to kill twice? I had a 1-shot bulletproof...

Also, my win condition was "kill everyone else." If I killed Jesse, I would have gotten a special reward, which afatchic revealed to me was another bulletproof shot. Go figure. :P
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Post Post #873 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:13 pm

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...

I leave for a day and you crazies up and WIN THE GAME.

Grats. ;)

P.S. I'm a liar faced liar and totally was only a 1 shot. ;)
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Post Post #874 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:12 pm

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Well, hot damn. It WAS 7-3-1-1. Scaaryy, depending on what the setup is.

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