Into Africa - Over

[Fate]

Calling CKD scum and not providing any other reads is a good way to make sure your flip gives as little information as possible.

Hats off to ya scum

[HezLucky]

You make so many false assumptions its not funny.

Actually, it's hilarious.

I plan on mocking you for a while and then not-being-lynched today =)

[elvis_knits]

Thoughts on Hez:

I don't care that he voted ckd without finishing his reread. If that's who he thought was scummy based on what he'd read, that's... okay.

I think it's possible there is some playstyle differences between old-school and new-school going on here. Hez view of what is scummy tends toward what I remember from when I joined, and not the current climate. Ie: Hez thinking Elli was anti-town.

I don't like that he hasn't kept up with the game very much or done much except vote ckd. I know Hez is not an idiot, so his lack of input on other players is concerning.

I'd like to hear more reads from Hez.

I don't like his reaction to tajo:

Tajo already got silavor wrong. How many more does he need to lynch before this scumbag hangs?

This is the same BS DK was trying to pull with me except Hez should know better.

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay time to catch up…for what I saw that was a ton of BS going on, but let me get in there an see.

Looks like someone is freaking out.

I'm done answering your questions, scum.

Onward with the latter half of my reread. Then hopefully I'll have more than one suspect!

not (just) my questions you need answering....Elli is dead town, but you still want to avoid those?
(edit: gaint post from hez 741, he might answer those question there)
(edit: nope)

Basically waht I've been saying to CKD this whole time. I don't see CKD pressuring fate. Translation? CKD/Fate are scumbuddies OR
Fate is town and CKD is scum trying to pick a fight with someone who won't cause complete chaos (ie. me --> but he's actually mistaken
I am more than capable)

I don’t even know how to reply to this…wtf? I might not be reading this right, but are you saying I am scum because I am not pressuring Fate? I currently don’t give a fuck about Fate…but more importantly, I don’t think he is scum. I think your actions are scummy and that is why I am pressuring you…

CKD #167 is the first time he asks me to explain my FA vote. I do so in #171. Based on what I've read, that should be enough --- but
noooo, he has to fabricate a case against me. Completely scum motivated. It's not scumhunting and it's not proper use of logic.

nice misrepresenting the facts…you did answer the question in 171. I wanted you to explain why you felt scum would do what FA did…it didn’t make any sense to me why someone claiming after they thought they had been vigged, would be scummy. You did not do that…you still have not done that…I backed you into a wall, then you started getting defensive and eventually just said you already answered my questions…WHEN YOU DIDN’T. so please quit lying…

I'm confident at least one of Ellibereth and CKD is scum. Based on the above, it's more likely to be CKD.

Well now we know that Elli is town…why do you keep refusing to answer HIS QUESTIONS?

CKD #331 - CKD is once again completely missing the point here. This has nothing to do with "claiming day one", and everything to do
with "claiming in response to a supposed daykill".

great, explain WHY SCUM WOULD DO THAT…you cant seem to do that.

HezLucky #385 -- CKD. Yes. You are distracting me from scumhunting. I could've reread this thread a long #$%#%#%#% time ago instead I
had to deal with your completely useless questions that I had ALREADY ANSWERED. What? You're afraid I'll find something?

“I cant scum hunt or read the thread, because of CKD”…BULLSHIT.

Whoops hit submit without this

Vote: Curiouskarmadog

llamarble constantly avoided my questionning yesterday...

his vote was super scummy...

this scum bag needs to die.

vote llamarable..

I would also be fine with a hez wagon..

Who else do you find scummy ToDay, CKD? What are your thoughts on Zelink's nk speculation? On Hezlucky's re-read? On Fate - Seacore interactions? (They seem to be pretty comfortable with each other)

LLamrable, Hez…inhim has been bothering me..I have seen him put out more content before..looks like he is hiding under the surface. (edit: 804 explains this I guess) I didn’t mind Pac’s quick hammer…well, let me rephrase that, I don’t think it was scummy. I didn’t like the fake concern today though. …. Zelink’s speculation doesn’t bother me at all…it is just speculation. I have my own speculation about the Elli kill(take a wild guess in regards to who)…but it is all WIFOM…actions speak louder than words though. Fate/seacore back and forth just seems like fluff.

I don't find CKD particularly scummy at the moment. Can someone give me a review of why he should be wagoned?

@vezok

: So are you just bandwagoning again or what?

Nope. Actually I'm sheeping Fate.

do you have any opinions, or you just plan to coast?...is this pro town in your opinion?

Making myself useful soon.

I can probably assume you just arent going to provide me your top 3 scum suspects right?....

Great idea numbnuts.

insults...classy

I don't see how I could be a threat like that.

are you trying to not be a threat, or not looking like you are a threat?

If he really felt so strongly that the claim made FA obvscum, the "your defense of FA is noted" stuff and the OMGUS episode against CKD doesn't seem as bad as I initially thought.

I am curious Alt, do you understand the reasoning behind Hez's "FA is obvscum for the claim" bit?

I demand to know why CKD isn't voting for me.

because I havent caught up, and I dont like to vote when I am not informed.

consider it on you......

for all intent and purposes consider that vote right on you

.
hey, why arent you scum hunting now? Am I still distracting you?..I got you "think" I am scum...but who else is scummy?

Of course, I fully expect CKD to walk in here and plop his vote on me. Like the scumbag he is.

LOL,

Just stop. If you are town and you think you are going to hang…get your thoughts out there. Suspensions (yeah, everyone has got you think I am scum)..etc etc.

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Caught up….sry (tajo) for the wall of words.

I think Hez is scum…I will be voting him..but I am good where I am at. I want don’t want Llamarble to go another fucking day without providing content and getting away with it.

[Amrun]

I have not been providing this game with the attention it needs, and I still can't.

I promise that I will, asap.

For now:

Grey, can you provide me some scum meta? I've only ever played with you as town and you are really bugging my gate. Your reads are bad and you're setting up false dilemmas, ie me or earworm must be scum. I have a townread on earworm, for starters. Why are you assuming my vote on pacman was meant to carry me throughout the day and culminate in a lynch? It was not.

Elvis-knits: You are right; there is more to the llamarble case, as you have (solidly) provided. However, I am not abandoning that case. Instead, I think that Snarky got scummier in the meantime and that his nk spec is lynchworthy. Not sure why it is being ignored. In addition, llamarble is promising content and I'd like to see it. Llamarble is a good wagon.

Ckd is a shit wagon, and at first, I thought hez wagon was shit too - but then he reacted to it, and the flail is beautiful. BEAUTIFUL.

If no one will consent to lynching Snarky but me and Seacore, I'll do something more productive with my vote. I'd still like to see that take off, though.

Tajo - where are the cases I am used to from tajotown?

[DeityKabuto]

Calling CKD scum and not providing any other reads is a good way to make sure your flip gives as little information as possible.

Hats off to ya scum

That logic is reasonable, guys get off CKD wagon.

[Altilysian]

I am curious Alt, do you understand the reasoning behind Hez's "FA is obvscum for the claim" bit?

I better understand it, now that he explained it, though I do not agree with his interpretation. It was in his wallpost:

Alti #387 - it's called "acting". The scum will say "dammit I was town" and peopel will tihnk "oh he must be telling the truth seeing
as he's already dead" ... but in fact, if the daykill was fake the scum just gained huge townie points in people's eyes. Town have no
motivation to do this. Too self-preservationist (although now that I think about it, it's entirely possible the Elli/FA exchange was
a setup and they aer both scum)

I really thought about it and tried to get into his mindset and I think it has validity. I may not think it's as much of a tell as HezLucky does, but 1) at least there is a logical basis 2) I do not think it was a scum fabrication. What do you think of his explanation and do you think it comes from a scum mentality?

Actually, the more I think about it and rereading, I can see where HezTown would be coming from.

Alti #387 - it's called "acting". The scum will say "dammit I was town" and peopel will tihnk "oh he must be telling the truth seeing
as he's already dead" ... but in fact, if the daykill was fake the scum just gained huge townie points in people's eyes. Town have no
motivation to do this. Too self-preservationist (although now that I think about it, it's entirely possible the Elli/FA exchange was
a setup and they aer both scum)

I don't agree with his interpretation of FA's claim, but at least I can see where he's coming from. It doesn't seem like a scum fabrication.

If he really felt so strongly that the claim made FA obvscum, the "your defense of FA is noted" stuff and the OMGUS episode against CKD doesn't seem as bad as I initially thought.

Unvote

Huh? All this time you have been on the push for Hezlucky, and NOW you think he is town? You state twice that you can see where he is coming from, but you don't explain how you came to that conclusion. Are you backtracking after voting along the super cool wagon? Btw, what do you think of Zelink?

What was your thought of Hez not spreading enough content during d1? I felt that was a good point. Please expand on that.

and by the explosion of content, I mean why was it not spread more evenly across yesterday (gameday).

FA, sometimes I get so caught up in my suspicions that I lose track of the core of them. After hopping on the wagon, I reevaluated my suspicion on HezLucky and reread him in ISO. I remembered that the initial thing that made me suspect Hezlucky was how much he had seemingly overblown your VT claim. His poor interactions with CKD really accelerated my suspicions of him as he seemed completely fixated on you and anyone who might be attached to you. And honestly, that still bothers me...that he seemed so exclusively focused upon your claim episode. And that also ties in with his lack of content D1. I couldn't put my finger on it, but now I realize that's what made me feel his content was hollow in D1: that he was ignoring scumhunting across the player list and choosing instead to fixate on FA claim-related matters. Given this, his excuse that CKD was distracting him from scumhunting actually does seem scummy now. Dammit, typing this up, I think I've convinced myself HezLucky is scum again.

I will answer your question about why I was able to see where he was coming from after I hear what CKD has to say about HezLucky's assertion that your VT claim was "too self-preservationist."

I actually found Zelink really scummy in his initial posts (ISO 3 was terrible), but since then he has been very pro-town. He is one of my stronger town reads now.

[Snarky]

NK speculation nowadays is so much considered WIFOM that scum has started to kill with a reason again. See mini 1168 scum QT. I got killed because my main suspect was scum(and I was the only one suspecting this person), as simple as that. Scum won because town never realized that. Anyway, I agree with you guys that I may have got a little paranoid. Elli could have been killed for many other reasons than scum trying to frame me. Still, I think my speculation makes sense, so I'll keep it in mind, but I need other proof.

unvote

Why is the pressure gone from llamarble

Still want to hear from llamarble

vote llamarble

Need to catchup, I'm a bit disconnected from mafia recently.

[evilpacman18]

Still want to hear from llamarble

vote llamarble

Need to catchup, I'm a bit disconnected from mafia recently.

"Llamarble isn't talking enough. Vote"
"I'm not talking enough."

vote: Snarky

[Snarky]

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Still want to hear from llamarble is not equal to Llamarble isn't talking enough...

[elvis_knits]

Elvis-knits: You are right; there is more to the llamarble case, as you have (solidly) provided. However, I am not abandoning that case. Instead, I think that Snarky got scummier in the meantime and that his nk spec is lynchworthy. Not sure why it is being ignored. In addition, llamarble is promising content and I'd like to see it. Llamarble is a good wagon.

I think the snarky nk speculation is very wrong and very odd. I can see why you think it's scummy, but I'm not sure I agree. I think it's possible that he's just being dumb and caught up in his little feud with zelink, so I'm not interested in going after it unless I see other things I don't like. However, it's kind of a gut thing on my part, so if you feel differently, you should go after him.

And yes, llamarble is still a good wagon. He continues to do nothing.

Hez wagon is a little bit crazy monkeys, but there are some things about Hez I don't like, so those crazy monkeys might be onto something. I'm going to wait and see if he starts helping and giving reads that seem to make sense to better make up my mind there. In the meantime, llamarble needs to die.

[Amrun]

LLAMARBLE POST FREAKING CONTENT

[evilpacman18]

Posting infrequently and not posting content isn't scummy. Posting frequently and not posting content is scummy. Llamarble is doing the former. This wagon on him is easy.

[Amrun]

Outside of your typos, I think I know what you mean, but you're blatantly incorrect. Llamarble has zero original content.

[Secret Project]

I don't see any typos. I see a triple negative though.

[Cirno]

Nothing of value has really happened since I last read the thread. You all seem intent on wagoning randomly. I thought I'd park my vote on Fate while you guys flailed about, but I guess it would be better used on someone who actually has a chance of being lynched.

VOTE: Llamarble

As for HezLucky, a quick look at the votes on his wagon...

>Hez, can you tell me what you have done that has helped the town?
>because this bandwagon gives me an enormous erection. And because he's scum.
>FUCK THE CKD WAGON, LETS DO THIS.
>You super overeacted as scum caught for wrong reasons.
>Because Fate's bussing again. Obv.
>I CANNOT REFUSE THE LLAMA AND I DONT REMEMBER ANY OF HEZ' POST THIS GAME
>In a game like this, the best tactic is to kill off the scummiest liability to town. CKD is townish, Llamrble is not useless. Hez is scummy. Hez is useless.
>Voting HezLucky because Fate said so

...kind of drives me away from it. I think it is sad that the vote on the wagon that makes the most sense comes from Vezok.

In other news, Fate continues to be my preferred lynch. Saying Llamarble was more useful than HezLucky was a wtf moment for me.

[LlamaFluff]

Calcifer replaces inHimshallibe

[Cirno]

Damn, I was hoping that I had invalidated a vote count through simulpost.

[ZeL1nK]

I think I have the most valid reason for voting Hez out of that lot. And I see no problem with any of those reasons. They are all legit.

Yeah but, what do you feel about Pacman's wifom prediction? What is the purpose of saying that?
It's coming soon, right? What do you think of Atil?

pacman's wifom prediction means nothing. If he's town, the purpose of saying it would be because he felt it's true, I guess. If he's scum, the purpose of saying it would be to look like the town version of this. Why are you asking me? Ask pacman.

As for my analysis, it's coming. In the next 24-48 hours. If all goes well. Don't get your hopes too high, though. I'm pretty lazy when it comes to analysis.

As for Altil, I don't know. I haven't really looked at him. I'll put this on my to-do list.

[curiouskarmadog]

I plan on mocking you for a while and then not-being-lynched today =)

what exactly does this mean?

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Atil

: You did? I had already read him in ISO and summarized what he has done. Here it is:

Ugh. Halfway done my reread. It's going so slow. Half the posts are either fluff or walls.

I can either post what I have so far or finish. Probably going to finish unless I hear objections.

You re-reading doesn't absolve you from DOING NOTHING. Plus, you have said you have been re-reading since the 18th, and still haven't gotten anything?

This is what you have done: RVS Ze, Claim suspicion of my reaction, claim CKD defending me, and state that Fate and Elli were anti-town. You also gave opinions about Pacman/Seacore/Fate about the human mafia theory. You state that you liked what Pacman has said about Seacore.

So he has done slightly more than look at my claim, so I don’t think you can say that he was completely fixated on my claim. My claim should NOT hold him back from contributing. That is NOT an excuse for him to being a sack of balls! I just re-read his ISO and he MOSTLY is speaking to CKD and you. Once he responded to Elli and Cirno as well. And he has replied to my slot too. This is all before his re-read catch up.

You convinced yourself he is scummy again? Well I suggest you put your vote back on him, or vote someone else you feel is scummy. I don’t want you to be unvoteless here. I would rather you answer it first, please. Why is Zelink Pro-town to you?

I think I have the most valid reason for voting Hez out of that lot. And I see no problem with any of those reasons. They are all legit.

Yeah but, what do you feel about Pacman's wifom prediction? What is the purpose of saying that?
It's coming soon, right? What do you think of Atil?

pacman's wifom prediction means nothing. If he's town, the purpose of saying it would be because he felt it's true, I guess. If he's scum, the purpose of saying it would be to look like the town version of this. Why are you asking me? Ask pacman.

As for my analysis, it's coming. In the next 24-48 hours. If all goes well. Don't get your hopes too high, though. I'm pretty lazy when it comes to analysis.

As for Altil, I don't know. I haven't really looked at him. I'll put this on my to-do list.

I wanted to know your thoughts. Don't you think he could use it later to say "Aha, see I told you this would happen!"

I think it is most likely needed. The best you can do is Snarky, Hezlucky, and inactives?

[LlamaFluff]

A Riddle - Whats black and white and red all over?








An Answer:

jilynne1991 - Zebra - Townie - Scavenged Day Two

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

Although an elephant has four knees, it is the only mammal that cannot jump.

HezLucky (7) - Flavour Analysis, ZeL1nK, populartajo, vezokpiraka, GreyICE, Fate, DietyKabuto
Llamarble (6) - elvis_knits, Seacore, curiouskarmadog, Lowell, snarky, Cirno
snarky (2) - Amrun, evilpacman18
Lowell (1) - earworm
curiouskarmadog (1) - HezLucky

Not Voting (3) - Llamarble, inHimshallibe, Altilysan

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch

[Amrun]

Dat vig. I forgot jilynee was playing.

FA just made a really good point on hez that I glossed over before.

You "convinced yourself" he was scummy again?
Lol. I need to analyze that flipf flop.

In the meantime,.

Unvote; Vote: Llamarble

[Fate]

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