TM2012: Scummies 2011.5 - Let the credits roll!

[xRECKONERx]

I may have missed it, but did anyone confirm that they gave prof. mafia to BBmolla, and it does what he says it does?

Yes, DV & I have confirmed that the plan was for KK to vote T-Bone, for me to vote Molla, and for DV to be the deciding vote. Since DV didn't submit, it could've easily gone to BBmolla or T-Bone. We didn't know what the power did, just that it was a secret power.

[xRECKONERx]

How long is MoI V/LA? I really want him to check in because now we're just playing ring around the rosey.

[DeasVail]

@BBmolla: Why am I town? Why did you want DV to vote you?

I'm actually going to

Vote: Zar

. He has been scummy, I've wanted him dead, and to top it off, he takes MoI's outguess-the-mod notion of "scum wouldn't be put in a group where they can control voting" and runs with it, using it to mislead the town. He also didn't include himself in any of the analysis. Convenient. That's the same bullshit tactic I pulled in Fate's recent mini theme when I was making potential scumgroups and didn't include myself in them to create misinformation.

So, previous day you said he was scummy for including himself, and here you're saying he's scummy for including himself?

[xRECKONERx]

Are you new? Zar already pointed that out.

I said it felt phony/an attempt to "appear" town the first time. This time wasn't a basic list, though -- it was complex team pairings and information not easily accessible by just iso'ing. Leaving yourself off of complex hypotheticals is an easy way to create misinformation.

[DeasVail]

Why would you include yourself as town?

[xRECKONERx]

For the sake of objective information that everyone can use for their analysis?

I mean, if you're just going to sit around doing analytics, then it better be useful. And analytics is literally all Zar has done the entire game.

I point you to Fate's recent mini theme, where I did the

exact same thing as scum

by presenting potential scum pairings that conveniently did not include myself. And for at least a little bit, it set people off in the wrong direction since they were referencing my data without realizing it was biased.

[DeasVail]

I point you to Fate's recent mini theme, where I did the exact same thing as scum by presenting potential scum pairings that conveniently did not include myself. And for at least a little bit, it set people off in the wrong direction since they were referencing my data without realizing it was biased.

I know, I was in that game, but there's no way I would include myself as town, and I wouldn't do it as scum either because I know what I'd do as town.

[xRECKONERx]

So as town you'd purposefully spread misinformation?

Then you're just insanely terrible. Any townie with a right mind who is doing analysis will include themselves in the complex maths. If they don't, then the data can't be validated until after they're dead... which is a whole bag of "oh well scum wouldn't do that since they can't die" WIFOM, and it's exactly what I banked on as scum that game.

I think Zar is pulling a similar strategy here. Point to me where he's done ANY genuine/useful scumhunting and take a look at all DAT IIOA all up ins and tell me you honestly think he's town.

[xRECKONERx]

Also, are you really going for a BBmolla/Reck/Ajax scumteam here? Is that your theory?

[DeasVail]

First, I don't understand how it is spreading misinformation if you're town. Including yourself if anything is spreading misinformation. It's just like marking yourself as town in VCA.

Slandaar and I are considering that team, but I, at least, am at the stage where I feel I have to go over parts of the game again before pushing anything strongly, and I'm a bit too busy right now to do that.

[xRECKONERx]

I should clarify misinformation not just being wrong information, but a lack of full disclosure can cause problems when referencing data that is supposed to be complete and objective.

Like I said -- if Zar had provided the full data, then his own interpretation, that'd be one thing... but he didn't.

I've made my point, you clearly don't think it's scummy, and that's fine. But I've done this exact thing before as scum, so I think I understand the motivations and reasoning behind it a bit better than you.

[DeasVail]

Also, are you really going for a BBmolla/Reck/Ajax scumteam here? Is that your theory?

Also, what was the point of this post?

Is subtle discouragement what you were going for?

[xRECKONERx]

Slandaar and I are considering that team, but I, at least, am at the stage where I feel I have to go over parts of the game again before pushing anything strongly, and I'm a bit too busy right now to do that.

So you think that, as scum, I'd openly campaign for one of my scumbuddies to get an award in one of the judging QTs?

Furthermore, you think that, as scum, I'd let my scumbuddy claim something that has no precedent or previous evidence and then NOT back him up?

There's no connection, there. BBmolla & I make no sense together as scum, and I think you're just flinging shit at the two major contributors at the moment to see what sticks.

Meanwhile, we have T-Bone & theamateur lurking their way through all this without saying more than a few words, MoI on vacation, and Zar continuing his excellent trend of pseudo-scumhunting every once in awhile.

But no, the two most vocal people whose interactions and play towards each other makes no sense as a scumteam, is the scumteam. All the lurkers are town, gotcha.

PREDIT: The point of that was THIS FUCKING POST.

[BBmolla]

Reck you must have missed DV's reads.

[DeasVail]

-If you're talking about 2C, you didn't do much campaigning. You just mentioned his name along with someone else as far as I recall. And really, why wouldn't you do what you did as scum with molla if you had reasoning to think him town if questioned?

-Professor Mafia is obviously evidence for it, and why would you back him up in this position?

I still think T-Bone is town, and I just get confused whenever I try to determine a read on theam. Zar is someone I'll have another look at though.

[xRECKONERx]

I suggested hito or Molla, KK suggested Quilford or T-Bone. You suggested we narrow it down to Molla & T-Bone. You had more power over determining who it came down to in the end than either me or KK, for the record. So maybe I didn't campaign, but it'd still be pretty damn risky to put forth my scumbuddy's name as an award recipient.

Why would I back up my scumbuddy when he claimed something completely preposterous? If we were both scum, we'd be the only two people who knew what Professor Mafia did... we could have literally made up ANYTHING, but we chose to go with HAY GAIZ FAKE SCUMMIES instead, and then didn't even plan it out to back him up?

[DeasVail]

but it'd still be pretty damn risky to put forth my scumbuddy's name as an award recipient.

Are you serious? I really don't see it.

How could you back him up in a way that made us less likely to lynch him and/or didn't make the two of you look like a more likely team?

[BBmolla]

I miss MoI.

[xRECKONERx]

How could you back him up in a way that made us less likely to lynch him and/or didn't make the two of you look like a more likely team?

claim a fake scummy

[DeasVail]

claim a fake scummy

Good point. I'll have to consider it.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 4, Votecount 3

BBmolla (1) - DeasVail
Zar (1) - xRECKONERx
theamatuer (1) - BBmolla

Not voting (4) - MagnaofIllusion, Zar, T-Bone, theamatuer

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch or no-lynch.

Deadline:

June 23rd at 7:00 PM (EDT)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-06-23 19:00:00)

Zar and MoI are V/LA.

Prodding T-Bone.

[theamatuer]

Not anymore he's not. It's 11 AM EST.
Also I'll be V/LA till wednesday for finals

[T-Bone]

Did anyone else get a fake scummy? Unless MoI did it looks like no.

So that means one of two things obviously, he's telling the truth or lying. Now BB also claims that his other scummy allowed him to look for fake scummies. That seems oddly specific. But if true would make his claim more believable. I have one problem with this. If the scummy you guys awarded looked for fake scummies, why does he have the only one? Doesn't it stand to reason that a power existed that's purpose is to find fake scummies, there'd be more than one floating around? Unless MoI reports back that he also has one, this is a claim I have some difficulty believing.

I really don't like that Deas didn't submit a vote, despite all the assertion in thread that everyone needs to do the judging process right, lest we have a Fonz situation again. Though I can't be a hypocrite and vilify him for it.

Deas in 833 you mention you don't think BB is fake claiming what his scummy does and that he got a fake scummy. So, how did scum know that he had professor mafia to go ahead and give him a fake scummy that makes his scummies not work? If you didn't vote for all you knew I could have gotten that scummy since KK voted for me. I'm not sure if this makes you or Reck scum or not. It seems like based on what has been said you had the most power in that group. In this situation it's Deas or Reck or BB as scum.

But anyway speaking of scummy groups. 2B gave Quilford a scummy the same night he ends up dead. Hito and Magua are dead and town. BBmolla and Theam are still alive. It very much could mean one of those two are scum.

BB is quite a bit suspect based on scummies stuff. I'm not so confident in his play. His recent play reads to me more as frustrated town rather than scum. Of course appearing as frustrated town is a good defense.

I'm leaning this way. We've got plenty of time though so no need to rush a vote. BB is where it would go right now though.

PreEdit: Oh wow, didn't realize it was more than 48 hours. Learned a friend passed yesterday and wasn't in the mood to post.

@Theam, why are you so concerned with other player's V/La when you are barely posting (and not contributing) yourself?

[BBmolla]

T-Bone that post sucked. Make a new one.

"BB reads as frustrated town, but he COULD BE SCUM FOOLING US! So I'd vote him over anyone atm."

[DeasVail]

No T-Bone, now I think you're scum too D:

I'll try and sort this out after my exam.