Mainly for their interaction with Benmage which seemed like they were just trying to be antagonistic.
Mainly? What else caused you to make that vote?
Well, I remember playing a game with CDB where he as town blew up at me and thought that I was scum for pointing out someone fishing for claims, but here Goat on a Raft thought that Kanye's attack on someone role fishing was a positive thing and that other people should have followed along, and along those lines Goat on a Raft attacked Cephir for not voting with Kanye, but ignored other people not following along.
In post 789, macmollie wrote:I was thinking about you today at work and I am thinking that it would be unlike you to claim miller as scum. it is a cheap way to play and I guess I think you would find it unsavory mebbe? not sure if that is right word or not.
I really don't see how you can think that making a play like that would be unsavoury.
In post 807, Nautilius wrote:I wrote it and I think it's the best damn post written in the history of posts. Why?
In post 184, kanyeknowsbest wrote:zed do you think that i would try to call someone out on rolefishing as scum unless i was positive i could put a lot of momentum behind it?
I just think that scum try to jump on reasons to accuse people of things that are generally regarded as scum-tells, and when someone does that, and it's not the thing they're suggesting, it's scummy
In post 376, Tammy wrote:Also, people were jumping to claim it being a scum slip that the scum team were made up of wights, which is impossible. Faraday picks roles first in upicks. Then he picks alignments. A wight could be town, while Rob Stark could be scum.
What do you think of what Tierce and Shadoweh said about this?
Anyway, I don't buy that the mods would have informed the miller about the presence of non-standard cops, so Thor's miller claim looks bogus,
- I'm a miller, but you could still investigate me as town.
Unvote
Vote Thor
In this post he does the same thing that led him to think KKB was scummy. He jumped onto the easy "that claim is bogus so you're scum" argument. He contradicted himself and went for an easy vote target.
In post 512, Zdenek wrote:Eh. I just read through a list of roles, and at this point, there's really no use in pushing Thor on the matter.
I'm getting the feeling that you backed out of the issue to avoid any further suspicion. Are you trying to say that you were unfamiliar with the commonly used miller role? I don't think so.
Mainly for their interaction with Benmage which seemed like they were just trying to be antagonistic.
Still hasn't answered as to what his other reasons were, and I don't think he has any. His vote is weak, and it looks like he only voted just to leave his vote somewhere.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Zdenek
I did not contradict myself at all, so that is bullshit. As of yet, no one has given an example of a role that would investigate him as town that's not a normal cop, so I still think that comment from Thor is garbage. The closest is gunsmith, and that sort of put me at ease, and was the role that I was thinking about when I made the third of the posts that you quoted. Plus there had been so much discussion of this in the thread that using it as point on which to pressure Thor was going to be impossible. As to your last point, I hadn't been online in the meanwhile so I don't see how you could have expected me to post.
Safety Dance having so many scum reads does not make me feel good about him.
In post 821, Tierce wrote:Also if SafetyDance flips scum I am immediately calling for blood and lynching the Nautilius slot for the elleheathen/ellebereth/Ellibereth slip. In fact I am awfully tempted to go there immediately because how the heck do you do that unless Elli is present on your mind due to QT posts. I don't see the first post causing such an impression.
Remind me, are you usually a fan of scum-slips or is this one special?
Please, I'm not a show off. You're not going to see me running around on a honeymoon with some troll.
Cut: I don't think Stupendous has addressed you, do you think he's voting obscure targets just to get on your good side? He doesn't seem well spoken so 'didn't do it well' sounds like 'is bad at mafia'. Looking at your earlier statement on Stupendous (which is hard to find because omfg quote strips) the only one I see is in #842 where you state he reacted awkwardly to MC attacking him. None of these are.. quantative for lack of a better word? What was awkward about his reaction? What was wrong with his case?
I'm ignoring anything to do with Thor as hard as I can, but fighting over role shenanigans doesn't count imo. It's game theory, not mafia talk. As scum I would rather mafia talk for ten pages then have to give an honest opinion on someone, wouldn't you?
I think he could easily be voting for an obscure target not to get on my good side specifically but to look townie by not jumping on any of the available wagons in the name of self preservation
I also mentioned earlier that I agreed with the thrust of Messiah's case on SM.
The case just isn't very persuasive or strong, nor does it look like it could plausibly convince anyone.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:37 am
by Cephrir
Zdenek might be a little too off-kilter for my tastes, as well. I feel like a townie should be able to come up with something better than that at this point.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:41 am
by Syryana
This
In post 829, Eddard Stark wrote:PrideandJoy (1) - Amrun
kanyeknowsbest (3) - Andrius, ooba, PeaceBringer
quadz08 (1) - Cephrir
ooba (4) - Alfred Borden, quadz08, Goat on a Raft, PrideandJoy
StupendousMan (3)- Tammy, Messiah Complex, Nautilius
Thor665 (2) - Benmage, elleheathen
Cephrir (3) - macmollie, Garruk Relentless, Shadoweh
Alfred Borden (1) - Thor665
Goat on a Raft (1) - Zdenek
Andrius (1) - kanyeknowsbest
Zdenek (1) - StupendousMan
Garruk Relentless (1) - SafetyDance
SafetyDance (2) - Tierce, Syryana
Needs to look like this
In post 829, Eddard Stark wrote:PrideandJoy (1) - Amrun
kanyeknowsbest (2) - ooba, PeaceBringer
quadz08 (1) - Cephrir
ooba (3) - quadz08, Goat on a Raft, PrideandJoy
StupendousMan (1)- Messiah Complex
Cephrir (1) - Shadoweh
Andrius (1) - kanyeknowsbest
Zdenek (1) - StupendousMan
SafetyDance (13) - Tierce, Syryana, Andrius, Zdenek, macmollie, Garruk Relentless, Alfred Borden, Thor665, Benmage, elleheathen, Tammy, Nautilius, SafetyDance
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:44 am
by quadz08
Syryana seems decent on immediate catchup; nothing particularly sticks out as either alignment, though gut has him leaning town.
syry+tammy wedding thingy is interesting; to be discussed later, probably
I really like nautilius' method of AoE here; I was somewhat confused by it at first, but decided to just let it roll and see what happened. The fact that they're still rolling with it like they are seems town to me. (If this is just standard nacho-play, somebody tell me.)
is that? jesus
that said, 811 is actually a decent case
I want more from kanye too, mostly because I like his reads
Tierce's safetydance vote confuses the shit out of me. splain plz (also, SD's response to it is good)
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:46 am
by Zdenek
In post 852, Cephrir wrote:Zdenek might be a little too off-kilter for my tastes, as well. I feel like a townie should be able to come up with something better than that at this point.
What have you come up with that you are proud of?
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:48 am
by Shadoweh
Cephrir wrote:
I think he could easily be voting for an obscure target not to get on my good side specifically but to look townie by not jumping on any of the available wagons in the name of self preservation
I also mentioned earlier that I agreed with the thrust of Messiah's case on SM.
The case just isn't very persuasive or strong, nor does it look like it could plausibly convince anyone.
:/ See, I'm not even sure if I like SM myself and you couldn't convince me with this here. Not persuasive or strong still sounds like you're voting him for being bad at mafia. Yet at the same time you're arguing he's craftily doing a voting reach-around by voting someone who isn't popular in order to look townie? He honestly doesn't seem that level-headed.
In post 852, Cephrir wrote:Zdenek might be a little too off-kilter for my tastes, as well. I feel like a townie should be able to come up with something better than that at this point.
What have you come up with that you are proud of?
I mean better reasons for a vote. But since you're asking I think it's distinctly possible I'm the only one onto Messiah and/or Benmage at this point.
Cephrir wrote:
I think he could easily be voting for an obscure target not to get on my good side specifically but to look townie by not jumping on any of the available wagons in the name of self preservation
I also mentioned earlier that I agreed with the thrust of Messiah's case on SM.
The case just isn't very persuasive or strong, nor does it look like it could plausibly convince anyone.
:/ See, I'm not even sure if I like SM myself and you couldn't convince me with this here. Not persuasive or strong still sounds like you're voting him for being bad at mafia. Yet at the same time you're arguing he's craftily doing a voting reach-around by voting someone who isn't popular in order to look townie? He honestly doesn't seem that level-headed.
Nor do I think it's terribly likely he honestly thinks said case is correct. I'd give him enough credit to be doing that to look townie, no one's going to change their mind and start townreading him if he just goes with the flow.
But I'm not incredibly confident and I'm trying that hard to sell anyone on my suspicion. If you had as shitty a scumhunting record as I do you'd feel the same way.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:53 am
by quadz08
Oh man, I didn't even realize it broke the rules. >_> That said, it's town because it just seemed very carefree. "Look at how dumb this argument is, I will show you by literally flipping a coin to find the answer" seemed town to me. It was the attitude behind the post.
In post 852, Cephrir wrote:Zdenek might be a little too off-kilter for my tastes, as well. I feel like a townie should be able to come up with something better than that at this point.
What have you come up with that you are proud of?
I mean better reasons for a vote. But since you're asking I think it's distinctly possible I'm the only one onto Messiah and/or Benmage at this point.
It looks like you are attacking Benmage for him saying what I think are pretty legitimate things. Care to outline why you think Messiah is scum?
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:59 am
by Benmage
@Syryana
do you have any completed scum games on this site? IF so can you tell me which?
In post 852, Cephrir wrote:Zdenek might be a little too off-kilter for my tastes, as well. I feel like a townie should be able to come up with something better than that at this point.
What have you come up with that you are proud of?
I mean better reasons for a vote. But since you're asking I think it's distinctly possible I'm the only one onto Messiah and/or Benmage at this point.
It looks like you are attacking Benmage for him saying what I think are pretty legitimate things. Care to outline why you think Messiah is scum?
Legitimate things but also logic-based things.
I already discussed why I don't think Messiah's entry post is townie. It's a little thing but it's enough to make me wary. Perhaps more than anyone else I have no idea why they're getting townread.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:41 am
by kanyeknowsbest
nachy: i think the way he claimed is fine and i do not like zeds attack on him for it. that said, his claim doesnt make him town either. role before alignment and all. im null on him @ the momient
Was this towards me or Thor? Mistakes happen. Unless you're perfect and never made one and have a photographic memory so can learn/memorise 29 names in an instant you're in no position to judge.
I'm more than happy with Thor's scenario though because it's never going to eventuate.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:51 am
by Zdenek
In post 866, kanyeknowsbest wrote:nachy: i think the way he claimed is fine and i do not like zeds attack on him for it. that said, his claim doesnt make him town either. role before alignment and all. im null on him @ the momient
but you are okay with Benmage's?
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:52 am
by kanyeknowsbest
yep
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:53 am
by SafetyDance
In post 842, Cephrir wrote:
This list makes no sense whatsoever. And doesn't have a single reason on it even for the guy he's voting. What?
Cephrir, there's is no difference to my list to the one you posted a few posts down than a few extra lines attached to then. Like yours, it's mostly a binary list. It's rudimentary, yes, I did quantify that in the very sentence above. I did think people here had the intelligence to read that and understand it bt maybe I'm giving the site-meta too much credit in that regard.
Ultimately, it's no different to what Nautilius has been doing anyway with their list anyway.
Was this towards me or Thor? Mistakes happen. Unless you're perfect and never made one and have a photographic memory so can learn/memorise 29 names in an instant you're in no position to judge.
I'm more than happy with Thor's scenario though because it's never going to eventuate.
i missed any slip what was your slip safetydance?
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:57 am
by Cephrir
A.) Those few lines make all the difference. For all I know you generated that list using an RNG.
B.) I'm also complaining about its actual contents (scum section including my 3 best townreads and literally only one player I think is scum). If your list is going to be that controversial and scumread a whole bunch of players no one else is you need to explain it.
is that? jesus
that said, 811 is actually a decent case
I thought the same about GR but they had only been gone 30 hours before just posting 830
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:10 am
by SafetyDance
In post 872, Cephrir wrote:A.) Those few lines make all the difference. For all I know you generated that list using an RNG.
B.) I'm also complaining about its actual contents (scum section including my 3 best townreads and literally only one player I think is scum). If your list is going to be that controversial and scumread a whole bunch of players no one else is you need to explain it.
You disagreeing with it doesn't make it controversial. I really don't get why you should have to have an arbitrary amount in your scums reads. I don't know the number of scum. Do you? Last Faraday game I played had just 4+1. So why do you have 6? Know something we don't?
You're filled with more hubris than the spawn of Thor and Benmage marriage if you think my reads HAVE to align with yours.
I'm curious though, what are your three strong town-reads that I have in my scum pile?
