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In post 840, sangres wrote:

In post 837, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:So, ffery you said that you didn't initially sync up but it has been two weeks since the game started. What are you thinking right now about all the players? Can you update me on your thoughts?

Yeah we talked a little on Saturday, mostly about my meta results.

Town - Pitoli, F-16 lastsurvivor, ETL
Null - TiP (Nacho has him as very stale town, I think), TPR
Scum - T-Bone (inherited from ChaosOmega but I haven't seen anything that screams town since the replace-out), bulba

This looks pretty much like your last list except you put me as town instead of less town. Did any recent events influence your thoughts on the game? What did you think of my meta on TIP? Does it match with Mafia Xenologue? I felt sure you'll have some insights into that since it was your hydra partner that orchestrated the fake meta-stuff. What do you think about T-Bone by himself and his case on ETL?

I find Bulb scummier than Pitoli obviously but he's cast more doubt in my mind about everything including my strong townread on you. Your playstyle is even more complex than I originally thought it was - it is fun trying to figure it out though.

I'll think about T-Bone. Who are you saying is scum with him?

I don't know and I'm not worried about that right now. That's probably the worst thing to do honestly, try to find both scum right away. Find one first; they will lead you to the rest. Getting caught in a sort of "well if he's scum then he's not and if he's town then he's not" loop is a trap and will lead us all wrong.

It worked nicely for me in this game.

that's fine, then you do that. i have not had success with that. PoE and associatives work best on D2/D3/D4 AFTER a scum flip.

In post 850, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

In post 840, sangres wrote:

In post 837, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:So, ffery you said that you didn't initially sync up but it has been two weeks since the game started. What are you thinking right now about all the players? Can you update me on your thoughts?

Yeah we talked a little on Saturday, mostly about my meta results.

Town - Pitoli, F-16 lastsurvivor, ETL
Null - TiP (Nacho has him as very stale town, I think), TPR
Scum - T-Bone (inherited from ChaosOmega but I haven't seen anything that screams town since the replace-out), bulba

This looks pretty much like your last list except you put me as town instead of less town. Did any recent events influence your thoughts on the game? What did you think of my meta on TIP? Does it match with Mafia Xenologue? I felt sure you'll have some insights into that since it was your hydra partner that orchestrated the fake meta-stuff. What do you think about T-Bone by himself and his case on ETL?

TiP's play almost always looks scummy to me. I have gotten TiP mislynched when we were both town a few times., and I shook off a scum read of him in a recent game (Walking Dead) and let him slide almost to endgame. I've also gotten him mislynched as scum. When I'm town, my strategy is to figure out if I can trust someone who has a good track record reading him and follow their read. Nacho is better at reading him than I am, but not perfect.

I find Bulb scummier than Pitoli obviously but he's cast more doubt in my mind about everything including my strong townread on you. Your playstyle is even more complex than I originally thought it was - it is fun trying to figure it out though.

He's good at that as scum. I can't remember what game, but I remember him likening his scum game to chess strategy.

My playstyle varies a lot based on the game set up and on the player list. It also sometimes is all but set in stone interactions-wise within 2-3 posts of starting a game. I guess that does translate to "complex".

I'll think about T-Bone. Who are you saying is scum with him?

I kinda want to say that a T-Bone/Bulba team doesn't make sense because I have the impression that he's distanced the fuck out of the bulba wagon. ETL is his top scum read and he's willing to compromise on Pitoli. Given Bulba was at L-1 I think the time for bussing with great justice came and went.

This is pretty premature, though. Town will have a lot more data on day 2.

One thing about TiP. I tend to look skeptically at people pushing his lynch in the early game, in part because of how easy he can be to mislynch.

Okay, if TIP votes Bulb, I'll hammer. If he doesn't, the lynch wasn't going to happen anyways. I want to hear what TIP thinks in particular. I'll consider T-Bone as well.

What resonated with me though is that earlier today, I considered the possibility of Pitoli being scum and thought of who could be scum if that were true. Then I went back to the vote count. TPR would be obvtown. Bulb would be obvtown. T-Bone would be obvtown because he could have voted Bulb easily instead on needlessly bussing Pitoli (but to a lesser extent). Pitoli/TIP interactions don't seem like scum-scum. If ETL was Pitoli's buddy, she'd have hammered Bulb. Plus her defense of Pitoli seemed very unlike partners. The only player that would actually make sense with scum-Pitoli is Sangres. And that is exactly who Bulbazak accuses of being scum.

so..... you're saying you agree with bulb but you'll hammer him anyway....?

No, I was going to hammer earlier. Now, I am not sure if I want to hammer Pitoli or Bulb.

Okay well... unless we have a flashlynch of TBone, my vote's likely to stay here

pitoli, sangres, f16, just vote tbone with me. please.

In post 861, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:pitoli, sangres, f16, just vote tbone with me. please.

Please tell me if there's like 2 hours left until DL and there's no hammered wagon in sight you'll give up this "t-bone needs to diiiiie" sphick and vote someone.

(Conversely, I'll say that if a T-B wagon pops up, I'd hop onto it if I had to. But I"m not going to fracture the wagons even more by hopping on it now)

If everyome has that attirude of "if one happens I'll do it but not now" nothing will hapoen.

Tbone is scum. I am asking you to look at his ISO. Look at his pushes. Look at his cases. There is scum motivation all over it.

ffery, what is your explanation for not pushing for any lynch right now as much as you would push if town?

In post 863, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:If everyome has that attirude of "if one happens I'll do it but not now" nothing will hapoen.

Tbone is scum. I am asking you to look at his ISO. Look at his pushes. Look at his cases. There is scum motivation all over it.

Likewise, if everyone has the "I'm not going to move my vote because it's right" attitude, nothing will happen...

(That said, the Bulb wagon is right. <.<)

It's not about being right, per se. It's the fact that I refuse to vote town reads.

What are your reads right now, ETL?

I really don't like this though. Seems like an implicit threat.

In post 786, Bulbazak wrote:P-edit: F-16, I'd advise getting off now before you're forced to.

What exactly do you mean, here?

In post 864, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:ffery, what is your explanation for not pushing for any lynch right now as much as you would push if town?

I'm on the wagon that Nacho and I agreed to stay on this weekend. I think it's the right wagon.

town: LS
probably town: Bulb Pitoli TPR
unknown: tip sangres f16
scum: tbone

In post 859, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Now, I am not sure if I want to hammer Pitoli or Bulb.

You'll want to hammer Pitoli. Trust me.

In post 869, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I really don't like this though. Seems like an implicit threat.

In post 786, Bulbazak wrote:P-edit: F-16, I'd advise getting off now before you're forced to.

What exactly do you mean, here?

It's not a threat, but I don't want to go into it implicitly unless I'm forced to. Please trust me when I say that Pitoli is the only wagon you want to be on right now.

shut up and vote tbone.