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Post Post #850 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:10 am

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Twito wrote:You didn't comment when someone said earlier that we probably don't have any power roles left even though your claiming to have a power role yourself.
If I claimed/hinted at a power role yesterday I might have gotten axed today before I had a chance to investigate thom last night. I thought that was obvious. I've taken care to hide my role carefully in this game, like in every other, so I don't get whacked before I can use it as much as possible. I also generally breadcrumb useful results in ways that can be pointed out later, as you can see I did with Twomz D1 in this game.
twito wrote:And still you are trying to divert suspicion over him. Thom clearly is town and you won't be able to get him lynched. You should move on..
OK, obviously I'm not trying to cast suspicion on thom in that comment you pointed out. I went through the history to find out who claimed what and when, and that's what it says. thom started posting with a restriction within a few hours and posts of when he replaced, not right off the bat. Vyo, FD and ziliu found thom suspicious for the first post, I said it was probably an accident.

You know I've decided he's town for just about certain, and saying this is bogus.
Twito wrote:And everybody knew that Twomz was protecting BJ night1.
This is bull. Look at the votes and discussion on Twomz that day before FD burned him. You voted him and asked him what his role was. Oslo thought for sure Twomz was scum. viper had his vote on Twomz when he died.
Twito wrote:So I also wonder why you investigated him?
I had a choice of you, thom or BJ. I'd already followed you on a night you'd have to have moved if you were the killer. I have evidence that made it significantly likely that BJ was a scum target N1. thom was the only tracking target left.
Twito wrote:When I think about it there was a tracker role on another game I was in with you before I died there just a while ago. BJ is on that game too if I remember correctly. *checks* Yes both MBL and BJ are/were on that game, the game is: Mafia 50 - The Big Five Oh.
What does this have to do with anything?

You attack my trackings because of the results I got. Tracker's not a godly role--the first night you have at best a 50% shot at finding someone who moves and if they do move you have no guarantee they're scum. You have to rely on other evidence primarily, and use your tracking results to supplement. I've already said that posts from #387 til Twomz' death make it pretty clear I have results on him. My other night targets were logical choices based on game status at the time.

For whatever reason you didn't address disabilities and restrictions. Yours is the one that stands out like a sore thumb at this point, Twito. Oddly, you decided to roleclaim during the discussion on Twomz right before he died, when there was no suspicion of you from anyone. You discussed thinking about making up claims, and soon after, both you and elvis claimed and/or hinted at your roles. You were the last person of the four of us to post your restriction.

I think you made yours up. I don't think it should be the primary piece of evidence used to lock you away, but the way you revealed it looks fishy compared to the way the rest of the disabilities came out. Your attack on me is scummy, and I'm pretty sure now that you're night-immune scum.

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Post Post #851 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:23 am

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Btw someone was asking: My roleclaim is on Post: 506
MrBuddyLee wrote:Your pointing at my voting history as a major reason you find me scummy is completely inappropriate.
It's not my major reason. My major reason is elimination process.
Thom is cleared.
BJ was likely protected on night 1 when there were no nightkill. He also was the main pusher behind Vyolynce lynch.
I know I'm town. As something that speaks for me I was the main pusher behind elvis lynch.
elvis_knits 6(ziliu,twito,Flying dutchman,BJ,MrBuddyLee,viper0933)
I was pushing her lynch from the beginning. You were trying to divert the wagon and were pushing for Twomz lynch(who has turned out town). Based on your investigation I still don't see how this makes sence. You knew that Twomz was either scum or town power role. Why would you wanna out the doc/cop on day one if you were town?

Twomz (5) MrBuddylee ,Osloboditelj, Twito, FD, Viper0933
Then MBL and Twito unvoted before he got killed.

He did look like scum but turned out town. You were behind his lynch for a long time. FD kinda rushed in killing him..
viper0933 (6)vyolynce , twito, FD, MRBuddyLee , oslo, viper
Well he looked like scum to me but I was wrong. We were both on this lynch.
vyolynce 5(Bj,ziliu,TDA,Twito,MRBL)
MBL 2 (TDA,THT)
TDA 4 (MRBL, Twito,BJ,FD)
This day I fucked up and went for TDA lynch. He seemed suspicious and so did MBL. I choose the wrong one.
And btw another thing that speaks for Thom.

And since it's certain that Thom is town the guestion is whether MBL or BJ is scum. When you take a look at the voting patterns MBL strikes as scum. And then there is MBLs claim. Which is total bullshit.
He was able to choose from 5 possiblities of which one he would make a post(ONLY ONE POST!) everyday. Then later on he added more to this claim. He claimed to be tracker aswell(which I think is convinient claim and role he picked after seeing it on Mafia 50).

If BJ is scum afterall I gotta say he played very well. And kinda risky. But I'm trustful that MBL is our last scum and it's about the time to lynch him.
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Post Post #852 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:34 am

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Found very old post of mine :)
Twito wrote:Damn this is hard..
Gonna narrow this down abit for myself..

Protown:
Twito, ziliu, BabyJesus, the_holy_thom, Osloboditelj, Flying Dutchman(with a change of being an sk)

Possible scum:
viper0933, bigdaddyblock, Vyolynce, MrBuddyLee

Then just gotta pick one of those 4.
Now I have chosen Viper. He is either scum and lyier or pro-town playing very very bad.

If and when Viper turns out to be scum I must say that MBLs Viper protection noted.
Only one left on from possible scum list is MBL. From my pro-town list only one not confirmed is BJ. Looks like my pro-town list was perfect already at that time ;)
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Post Post #853 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:40 am

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Hmm, some fun posts here. Random points I liked/made me think:
From my pro-town list only one not confirmed is BJ.
Don't forget yourself :)
FD kinda rushed in killing him..
This made me laugh
My other night targets were logical choices based on game status at the time.
Can I ask why I was the logical choice for last night? Obviously I'm biased, but I wouldn't have chosen me.
I think you made yours up. I don't think it should be the primary piece of evidence used to lock you away, but the way you revealed it looks fishy compared to the way the rest of the disabilities came out.
Your restriction looks very odd compared to other peoples. As Twito said, only one post? If it's true, then you got off bloody lightly. Me, ziliu, apparently BJ have fairly irritating PRs, not one we have to make one post on a subject we chose from a list.
I had a choice of you, thom or BJ.
And FD. Unless you had already chosen to kill him by that point, or just made it up today.
This is bull. Look at the votes and discussion on Twomz that day before FD burned him. You voted him and asked him what his role was. Oslo thought for sure Twomz was scum. viper had his vote on Twomz when he died.
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Post Post #854 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:18 am

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the_holy_thom wrote:
I had a choice of you, thom or BJ.
And FD. Unless you had already chosen to kill him by that point, or just made it up today.
Good catch.

Go on.
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Post Post #855 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:20 am

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bull. Everyone still in the game knew Twomz targetted BJ, so this reply is twisted.
And still you are trying to divert suspicion over him.
I'm not sure that this is trying to cast suspicion on me, but I'm not sure what the point of it was. Nor the fact that in 850, MBL again states that I missed my restriction for my first few posts, which is simply untrue.

I still think that pushing a Twomz lynch on such flimsy evidence was a bad play no matter what
I also generally breadcrumb useful results in ways that can be pointed out later, as you can see I did with Twomz D1 in this game.
Huh? This game started in the day. Can you point to these breadcrumbs please?

Also I'm on holiday 12th-19th. If this game isn't over by then, I'd love to still play. I'd prefer not to proxy or be replaced, but if you guys or the mod would prefer it then do it.
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Post Post #856 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:41 am

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the_holy_thom wrote:
I also generally breadcrumb useful results in ways that can be pointed out later, as you can see I did with Twomz D1 in this game.
Huh? This game started in the day. Can you point to these breadcrumbs please?
:D:D Another great catch. Damn.. MBLs posts are full of flaws, his restriction is bullshit and voting records speak againts him.
Honestly I think this one should be enough.
the_holy_thom wrote:Also I'm on holiday 12th-19th. If this game isn't over by then, I'd love to still play. I'd prefer not to proxy or be replaced, but if you guys or the mod would prefer it then do it.
It's been a great game and not to rush things or anything but I think we can safely lynch MBL already. Time to nail his scummy ass.
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Post Post #857 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:34 pm

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thom wrote:
I had a choice of you, thom or BJ.
And FD. Unless you had already chosen to kill him by that point, or just made it up today.
And FD, but no one's really considered him a suspect since he dayvigged and implied he had another dayvig in his pocket. Scum with nightkills and more than one daykill would be overpowered in this game.
the_holy_thom wrote:Can I ask why I was the logical choice for last night? Obviously I'm biased, but I wouldn't have chosen me.
I got crap from tracking Twito. FD, see above. So it was you or BJ. There's nothing besides your behavior and post restriction to assure me you're town, whereas there's evidence from myself and Twomz that BJ may be town. That made you the preferable choice.
thom wrote:Your restriction looks very odd compared to other peoples. As Twito said, only one post? If it's true, then you got off bloody lightly. Me, ziliu, apparently BJ have fairly irritating PRs, not one we have to make one post on a subject we chose from a list.
There was a pretty wide range of restrictions in this game:

thom every post
ziliu every post
BJ approx. every other post
viper half his posts
oslo occasionally(?)
mbl at least once a day
docs never (but has vote/interaction restrictions)
twomz never
twito never
fd never(?)

Not much else I can say... I was given a restriction I had to meet in order to get a night choice and I followed it, posting hallucinations once or twice a day.
the_holy_thom wrote:bull. Everyone still in the game knew Twomz targetted BJ, so this reply is twisted.
I also generally breadcrumb useful results in ways that can be pointed out later, as you can see I did with Twomz D1 in this game.
Huh? This game started in the day. Can you point to these breadcrumbs please?
Sorry, I meant D2, after my investigation N1. I'll post breadcrumbs in the following post.
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Post Post #858 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:43 pm

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MBL wrote:Not much else I can say... I was given a restriction I had to meet in order to get a night choice and I followed it, posting hallucinations once or twice a day.
You keep working on making a role. Earlier you didn't say that you gotta meet your restriction to get a night choise. No confirmed pro-town player has had that kinda restriction. Elvis did claim it though..
Why don't you tell us rest of your role already instead of adding into it? :P
MBL wrote:Sorry, I meant D2, after my investigation N1. I'll post breadcrumbs in the following post.
But you just said earlier that you were so hard on Twomz since day1 coz you had investigation on him. Now it turns out you didn't have investigation when pushing his lynch day 1.
What do you expect us to believe other than that you are lying scumbag?
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Post Post #859 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:47 pm

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Sorry made a mistake there.
Yes, Viper had to meet his restriction to investigate someone.

But can you really even compare half of posts or all posts to your 1 post a day? And again nobody else was able to choose between numberous things what to make posts about. It's very weird that you claimed that you were. It kinda makes me see you just a little bit townish. Which would leave BJ.. Still comparing that little thing to what BJ has done you are the scum.
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Post Post #860 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:00 pm

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I got a result N1--Twomz visited BJ. I thought there was a good chance this meant he was the killer, so I started out the day voting him to indicate that:
MBL wrote:
vote: Twomz
for defense of elvis day one and inability to commit to votes or opinions.
Oslo follows up with this, and now I'm fairly certain I found scum with my track.
Oslo wrote:Seriously, I'm very certain he's our best lynch today.
Post #430 I laid out a case against Twomz without giving away that I had tracked him. (I didn't wanna die N2.) I tried to get him talking about who else was scum, hoping to read info on the third scum from his response.

Curiously, in his response, he lists BJ below HIMSELF in order of suspicion.
Twomz wrote:...
Twomz
BabyJesus (I'm pretty certain BJ's town)
This made me wonder if his visit meant something else. Why would scum visit BJ and make a reference to knowing BJ is town?

Then I asked BJ what his opinion of Twomz was, in case they might be masons.
MBL wrote:(BJ,)I guess basically, what's your opinion of Twomz?
Then Twito says my post attacking Twomz was good, and that Twomz trusting BJ looks bad for BJ:
twito wrote:Post 430(MBL's) has good points againts Twomz. Btw BJ I think you being lowest on his list ain't good for you.
vote: Twomz
Then I ask BJ about Twomz again since I got no response.
BJ wrote:BJ, what's up with Twomz?
FD wrote:I think Twito has made a solid case against Twomz
viper wrote:Vote: Twomz
ziliu wrote:I'm leaning to Twomz being innocent
Then Twomz posts his defense and says he's sure BJ is town again:
Twomz wrote:I haven’t figured out what his restriction is yet, but I think I have a way to find out if he really has one or not Very Happy. And I’m certain he’s town now.
And Twomz to Twito:
Twomz wrote:Why wouldn’t that look good for BJ? Besides the fact that when you lynch me you’ll see things clearer and he’ll probably be NKed tonight. You sure this(Twito's claim) isn’t a gambit Twito?
At this point I'm trying to decide between Oslo being scum and Twomz being scum, since Oslo seems to be certain and Twomz is hinting doctor/cop/mason.)
MBL wrote:
unvote Twomz
Then Twito claims and suggests Twomz should too:
twito wrote:I still wouldn't mind hearing your disability/ability claim.
Why would Twito ask Twomz to claim if he suspected he was a doc or cop with pro-town results on BJ?

Then I hint that I know something about Twomz and BJ, and I'm trying to figure out if Twomz is scum or info role:
MBL wrote:I'm still suspicious of Twomz because what he's saying doesn't quite add up with regards to BJ.
Oslo claims cop with a guilty on BJ.

Twito wonders if Oslo's insane:
Twito wrote:This is basicly enough for me to vote but hearing Twomz claiming first won't hurt anybody.
But I can't avoid wondering what is the cops disability if he ain't insane.
Then I hint that I know something about Twomz and BJ, and that I'll trust BJ's judgment if he's figured out what's going on and has an idea what Twomz's visit may have been about:
MBL wrote:The only thing Twomz has going for him at this point in my eyes is BJ, so I'll wait for BJ's vote before acting.
Thom posts that he doesn't trust Twomz, so he doesn't suspect Twomz is a power role:
thom wrote:God that was a long, bad defense.
Then Twomz is dayvigged.

Then thom finishes his post:
thom wrote:I really don't have the energy to pick that post apart. I'm happy with a Twomz or BDB lynch today.
Then thom says that kill kinda clears FD:
thom wrote:That clears him(FD) from being scum (unless ...)
The point I'm trying to make here is that I had tracked Twomz's visit to BJ, and over the course of D2 was trying to figure out what it meant via questions to Twomz and BJ about each other and telling town to pay attention to Twomz's breadcrumbs without giving away my role and getting myself killed. It's clear that thom, viper, FD and twito didn't notice Twomz's breadcrumbs or give them much weight because they thought his defense was terrible and most of them voted Twomz.

I'm not saying this made them scummy, I'm just saying that I was aware of the Twomz->BJ visit and you guys weren't at the time. You figured it out after Twomz's death.
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Post Post #861 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:10 pm

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Twito wrote:you just said earlier that you were so hard on Twomz since day1 coz you had investigation on him. Now it turns out you didn't have investigation when pushing his lynch day 1.
What do you expect us to believe other than that you are lying scumbag?
Twito, I wasn't hard on Twomz day one. I first voted Twomz day one for his speedwagon. Then I said I wasn't sold on him and unvoted, then later I found him somewhat scummy for having no comment on the elvis situation, then I unvoted him and switched to elvis:
MBL wrote:Grrr, Twomz, say something constructive. I don't get pro-town vibes from you. You've said so little of value today.
Since Twomz was unhelpful D1 and weird about elvis and since elvis unvoted Twomz oddly early in D1, I tracked Twomz that following night, then I pushed him the next day. I don't know why you find that all strange or scummy.

Back then, you found my vote on elvis townish.
Twito wrote:MrBuddyLee looks kinda scummy to me but him giving 4th vote on elvis kinda speaks for itself.
Why have you changed your mind and found it scummy now?

You found voting for Twomz pro-town at the time
Twito wrote:And now you voting Twomz and giving arguments againts him.
I'm getting a good feeling about you. Your post has good points againts Twomz.
but now you're calling me scummy for it. Actually, right after Twomz died you found me scummy for voting him even though you were too:
Twito wrote:Today MBL went after Twomz again.
You're consistently calling me scummy for things you're doing yourself, and for things you found pro-town before.
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Post Post #862 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:34 pm

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You're consistently calling me scummy for things you're doing yourself, and for things you found pro-town before.
As a townsperson I might do something that later on looks scummy. I don't think it's absolutely wrong to suspect someone doing those same scummy things. You are right, we play a lot like eachother in all games. And you have gotten me lynched coz of the way I play in all games I've been in with you and supricingly I've always turned out town. Then again I'm not sure if you were scum on some of those games since you haven't died in 'em. Whether you are town or scum you're however always attacking me for my playstyle even though it's been showed numberous times that this is the style I play as town.

But in this came for instance you didn't play your normal style on the beginning. I told you about it and you gave reason/excuse and changed your play to more towny. Overal, you've been pretty scummy. But that doesn't necasserily close the case since viper for example had been pretty scummy too.

And you might notice how I was main pusher behind elvis wagon. You were main pusher behind Twomz wagon. I was before you on Vyolynce wagon. You were before me on TDA wagon. So not exactly the same now is it? :P

Also I've keepen list of who I think are pro-town. It seems that the one I think is most surely pro-town gets killed. I'm kinda afraid you are scum trying to follow my game.
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Twito wrote:MrBuddyLee looks kinda scummy to me but him giving 4th vote on elvis kinda speaks for itself.
Why have you changed your mind and found it scummy now?
It was speaking for you at the time with other imo better suspects. Now when I scroll through first day I can see you being on Twomz's back the whole time and then close to end switching to elvis when it seemed ppl weren't turning againts Twomz.
I've also played more since the beginning of the this game and seen more things happen. I've modded another game since and seen the exact behavior of scum on that game. Scum was simply "throwing their partners under the bridge(/car/whatever)". Same thing on games I've played and seen scums behavior. Scum mostly vote on their partner, when it seems that the parner is gonna die anyways, to have a clean record the next day.

There is the change that I was targeted the 1st night when BJ was protected by Twomz. I was main pusher on elvis lynch day1 so I wasn't expecting town nightactions on me. I did however expect scum to try to kill me. Since my role isn't too important it would have been a good thing if scum targeted me. So I didn't think it was necassery/useful to claim yet. But I didn't wanna risk it on day2 so I claimed then.
So being protected by Twomz doesn't automatically clear BJ.

But BJ did show a sign of his restriction on his secound post.
Post 42 by BJ wrote:I like tuna
Now that idd speaks for him.

On Vyolynce lynch BJ was the main founder. Even though he didn't give too many reasons(/any reasons at all other than "HE IS SCUM!") his vote speaks for him. It could be scum throwing partner under the bridge but I don't think so.

Btw it's starting to look like MBL is repeating the same things to make them look like truth. Known scum tactic.

And another thing speaking for thom: I'm on 2 votes, if thom were scum he would have lynched me.
So the same thing we knew already: Either MBL, BJ or me is scum.
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Post Post #863 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:15 am

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I'll post breadcrumbs in the following post.
Post 860 follows, where the only breadcrumbing done is by Twomz. Where the hell are your breadcrumbs? Let's look at your posts you quoted:
(BJ,)I guess basically, what's your opinion of Twomz?

unvote Twomz

I'm still suspicious of Twomz because what he's saying doesn't quite add up with regards to BJ.

The only thing Twomz has going for him at this point in my eyes is BJ, so I'll wait for BJ's vote before acting.
Hansel and Gretel definately aren't getting out of these woods alive, cause there aren't any breadcrumbs to follow.
Why would Twito ask Twomz to claim if he suspected he was a doc or cop with pro-town results on BJ?
Maybe because Twomz was going to die otherwise, so we may as well get a player cleared in the meantime? The info would have died with Twomz otherwise.

BJ, why do you think Twito is scum? Right now the
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Post Post #865 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:45 am

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I wasn't crying wolf--there's really one there even if it's not entirely apparent to you.

Sorry, those are my breadcrumbs--I didn't want to drop croutons. I figured that by subtly drawing attention to what was going on between Twomz and BJ you'd later be able to understand WHY I was drawing attention--because I knew about the visit.

It was a fine line between giving hints and not giving up that I tracked Twomz, pointing out Twomz's hint at a visit without outing him as a possible power role, not letting him get killed if innocent and not clearing him since he could still be lying scum. And giving up too much could have resulted in the claiming accelerating out of control.

I've pored over Twito's posts unsuccessfully trying to find his evil profession, assuming scum have post restrictions. Maybe they don't have restrictions, or maybe scum is an unaffiliated SK. I'll tell you this much--the evil chessmaster, computer nerd and
veterinarian
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Post Post #866 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:35 am

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only scummy thing I think he's doing is pushing hard for MBL, but he did that with Elvis, and has posted regarding BJ in the last couple, so this doesn't hold too well.

I'm very tempted to vote MBL right now. I think that there are too many inconsistencies and convieniences to be true. Why follow Vyolynce N2? IIRC, you weren't on him much that day, and BDB was far more suspicious. Was it because you knew he was scum, meaning you could make up results accurately? The fact that the only people you followed were the ones that anyone could have made up doesn't sit well with me.

Also, as Twito pointed out, Viper had to make fully half his posts follow his restriction to get a night action. I know that cop is better than Tracker, but 1 post a day seems ridiculous.

One quick thing, more just thinking aloud than anything else, but BJ isn't cleared for definate. If the scum had targetted Twito, then he only had a 50% chance of dying, meaning that could have been why we had no kills N1, not Twomz' doc save. Just a not, we won't find out until the end.
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Post Post #867 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:13 am

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the_holy_thom wrote: BJ, why do you think Twito is scum?
His claim in general sounds very suspicious, I hate claims that include a reason why scum won't/can't nightkill them.

I might be willing to go for MBL though.
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Post Post #868 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:20 am

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A no lynch would be preferable to a lynch of me and loss of game, but I think the result would be WIFOM. I won't go into details but there are certain events that would make finding the last scum easier.

thom, if/when you vote me, we'll find out pretty quick whether BJ's scum or not. From my perspective, it's a pretty small chance, and at this point I'd rather have both of you cleared so I can focus on Twito's post history if he's the scum. If BJ's the last scum, I'll be pretty surprised. Main reasons being:

1) I see him as a much more likely N1 nightkill target than Twito, and the BJ is scum theory relies on Twito being the N1 kill target.

2) Twito's been scummier throughout the game.

3) The last two people BJ's pushed aggressively have been Twito and Vyolynce.

4) BJ demonstrated his restriction third of anyone, well before Twito.

5) BJ's restriction is less sketchy than Twito's.

I would like to see your disability claim, BJ.
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Post Post #869 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:13 am

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MBL wrote:A no lynch would be preferable to a lynch of me and loss of game, but I think the result would be WIFOM. I won't go into details but there are certain events that would make finding the last scum easier.
I don't see the advance of no-lynch.
Mostlikely result would be thom getting killed at night, this would be almost certain result.
After that there would be me, MBL and BJ left. MBL would claim investigation on BJ.
If he said that BJ moved during night then he would vote BJ.
If he said that BJ didn't move during night he would vote me.
But since I think he(MBL) is our last scum there is no use for another fake investigation.
MBL wrote:1) I see him as a much more likely N1 nightkill target than Twito
Why? I was the one who pushed elvis lynch that day so why is BJ much more likely N1 nightkill target? Why is a player who didn't really make any reasonable posts whole day more likely N1 nightkill target?
MBL wrote:2) Twito's been scummier throughout the game.
Wouldn't say so. BJ pushed Vyolynce lynch, I pushed elvis lynch. But I provided much more evidence behind why elvis should be lynch. BJ basicly said "Vyolynce is scum! Lynch scum Vyolynce!"
MBL wrote:3) The last two people BJ's pushed aggressively have been Twito and Vyolynce.
Truth but he has been going after other ppl aswell through out the game.
MBL wrote:4) BJ demonstrated his restriction third of anyone, well before Twito.
Could be coz I don't have restriction. I only have disability. I though I could bring it up somehow and when I though of way I made that one posts "*slashes himself with a spoon*"
MBL wrote:5) BJ's restriction is less sketchy than Twito's.
Again restriction ain't exactly same than disability. Yeah well original nightactions won't have affect on me so cops can't clear me and scum prolly won't target me after claiming so I guess my disability is a bit hard one. But I actually don't undestand BJ's restriction so I'm currently waiting for him to explain it.
MBL wrote:I would like to see your disability claim, BJ.
Secound on this even though I think we already found our scum, MBL.

I don't see it as too useful to compare me and BJ since I'm town and BJ seems to be town aswell.
BJ wrote:His claim in general sounds very suspicious, I hate claims that include a reason why scum won't/can't nightkill them.
They basicly can nightkill me but your right that they prolly won't. I can't help the role I got.
BJ wrote:Seems very unlikely I will be the lynch today, but if anyone cares, I can reveal my disorder/post restriction (which I have only violated once, and did get warned, lol)
Go ahead. And tell when you got warned aswell. If it's accurate it will back up my suspicions on MBL. Even though I'm already pretty sure he is our last scum.
thom wrote:only scummy thing I think he's doing is pushing hard for MBL, but he did that with Elvis, and has posted regarding BJ in the last couple, so this doesn't hold too well.
Yes I do push hard on lynches I think are correct. And support my push with my vote.
thom wrote:Why follow Vyolynce N2? IIRC, you weren't on him much that day, and BDB was far more suspicious. Was it because you knew he was scum, meaning you could make up results accurately? The fact that the only people you followed were the ones that anyone could have made up doesn't sit well with me.
You are making good points all the time through the game and that's why I already listed you as most townish yesterday.
So MBL would you mind answering this guestion?

thom wrote:Also, as Twito pointed out, Viper had to make fully half his posts follow his restriction to get a night action. I know that cop is better than Tracker, but 1 post a day seems ridiculous.
Exactly.
But 1 post a day is much easier to fake. MBL could have decided of having this 'restriction' on day 2. Just though of some nice post from day one to look like good claim. Even BJ could have claimed having to make one post about animals after his early post "beetles are yummi". Or MBL could be professional Zoologist. :P
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Post Post #870 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:39 am

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No lynch = bad move

Because if you are lying, than we lose. If you are telling the truth, you'll be NKd, leaving a fun tomorrow. I think you are scum, and will recieve my vote very shortly unless you answer my previous questions very well.
I'll tell you this much--the evil chessmaster, computer nerd and veterinarian are not the trinity of evil in this game. If elvis and vyo had a mate, they're going to turn up something stereotypically geeky.
Crap defence. Don't outguess the mod, it doesn't work. You could be animal-obsessed, believing that all us retards are just animals, and who likes experimenting on us. You could be a bird-watcher type person. I want to see why you aren't scum from your posts, not because animals aren't geeky.

@BJ: I think his claim isn't too bad. It fits in with the game, provides good with bad, and doesn't sound too far fetched. Whereas being asked to chose a restriction topic of your choice does. I think MBL and the scum had to make one role related post, and MBL took it a bit further into a "restriction".

Also I would like to see your role, just out
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Post Post #871 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:02 am

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Post Post #872 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:42 am

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twito wrote:I don't see the advance of no-lynch. Mostlikely result would be thom getting killed at night, this would be almost certain result
thom wrote:No lynch = bad move Because if you are lying, than we lose. If you are telling the truth, you'll be NKd, leaving a fun tomorrow.
No lynch buys me an investigation. How do we lose with three people left tomorrow and probably only one scum?
thom wrote:Crap defence. Don't outguess the mod, it doesn't work.
The name of this game has been "mentally challenged" and "retard" mafia. The gist of the flavor posts and the scum's fake disabilities are that smart people are pretending to be retarded. We have evidence of a chessmaster and a computer geek, and a third scum will likely fit that flavor as well. I'm not outguessing the mod--I'm not scum and I'm trying to figure out what the profession or hobby of the last scum could be, mostly by reading Twito's posts.
twito wrote:But 1 post a day is much easier to fake. MBL could have decided of having this 'restriction' on day 2. Just though of some nice post from day one to look like good claim. Even BJ could have claimed having to make one post about animals after his early post "beetles are yummi". Or MBL could be professional Zoologist.
I was the first person to post with my restriction. It's clearly a hallucination, right there in post #5. I used the restriction twice day one, actually, in case someone attacked it later as bullshit. The other post:
MrBuddyLee wrote:bj, if you like your vote on thom, please blurt something out about these rats.
So no, this wasn't something I made up later--I've been consistently meeting my restriction since the game started, and not because I saw someone else posting restricted.

I think Twito's the only claimed vanilla townie who claims not to have a post restriction. bj, thom, ziliu and to a lesser extent docs all had restrictions. Twito didn't have one at all, and only blurted out awkwardly during the claim panic:
Twito wrote:*slashes himself into wrist with a spoon*
Which he admits wasn't required. Breadcrumbing's fine, but this lack of restriction doesn't fit this game's powerless townie profile. It looks like an attempt to fit in.
thom wrote:I think you are scum, and will recieve my vote very shortly unless you answer my previous questions very well. I want to see why you aren't scum from your posts, not because animals aren't geeky.
I'll scroll up and see what I've left unanswered. I've been trying to respond to all your guys questions and paint the clearest picture possible of my actions and motivations this game. I'm pretty certain from recent content that Twito's picked me as the best lynch to put him over the top. I've seen him overaggressive before as town, but this time he's way more overconfident.
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Post Post #873 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:51 am

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Post Post #874 (ISO) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:58 am

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Does your post restriction require other people to type in between your non-sequiturs, like Thom's? If so, *fills space*.
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