welp that reminds me you defended me too as scum in that N game...
I have high hopes for you you better not break my heart
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:55 pm
by Katsuki
Since I'm already spamming up the thread
Nacho you better drag yo ass to that molla meet in May.
Now for the rest of you I hope you now understand why I try and keep my posting to a minimum the alternative is that I go back to my old 1x posts/day posting rate. I'm sure you'd much rather active lurking as opposed to spam lurking~
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:55 pm
by Idiotking
I would kill to be a day vig right now.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:56 pm
by The Goodfather
my understanding of neighborhoods is that not all members necessarily have the same affiliation.
So can the three of you really be sure of each others affiliation? I doubt that you would have outed yourselves if you were the scum team, so it is likely that 1 or more are town, but there is also no guarantee that you are all town. Is this understanding of neighborhoods correct @natirasha??
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:57 pm
by zMuffinMan
selkies wrote:You and IK have the same info to build a read from. What is it that you're seeing different from him about Aronis?
IK has a totally different method of scum hunting than i do - i don't have enough to form a proper read and i see minor things that make me think he could be town. nothing strong, though
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:59 pm
by Idiotking
Neighbors don't know each other's alignments, no.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:01 pm
by zMuffinMan
@ffery,
and in case it wasn't already obvious i've been trying to monitor (with virtually no success) whether anything i'm saying in the neighbourhood QT is being leaked to people outside the neighbourhood. i had a mild suspicion that you were unvoting me because i was making it very apparent why i thought you were scum in the neighbourhood QT and i thought maybe one of them was leaking what i was saying there to you (such that you knew i could actually write a case on you any time i wanted to but i wasn't doing it in thread). but i'm now thinking that may have just been coincidental timing.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:04 pm
by Bert
Now, Muffin's keeping on the down-low early on makes more sense.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:05 pm
by The Goodfather
last question about the neighborhood, is one of you a neighborizer?
like did you all start the game knowing you were in a neighborhood, or was it something that you were notified about after the game had started??
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:06 pm
by Idiotking
I'm not a neighborizer, just a neighbor.
I knew who my neighbors were from the start, not later.
and in case it wasn't already obvious i've been trying to monitor (with virtually no success) whether anything i'm saying in the neighbourhood QT is being leaked to people outside the neighbourhood. i had a mild suspicion that you were unvoting me because i was making it very apparent why i thought you were scum in the neighbourhood QT and i thought maybe one of them was leaking what i was saying there to you (such that you knew i could actually write a case on you any time i wanted to but i wasn't doing it in thread). but i'm now thinking that may have just been coincidental timing.
That kinda explains some of the vibes I was getting during some of our back and forth.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:15 pm
by notscience
Spoiler: In Thread Mason Chat for Bert's eyes only
Gun to your head, based on Nacho''s entrance, town or scum? I think one of the 3 neighbors is scum, Aronis/IK in that order.
I need nacho to read Cabd for me
I still feel like Katsuki is really town, this doesn't look like the Katsuki from Anything goes.
Current Townbloc prospects:
Katsuki
Four Trouble
Nacho
What do you think of SSK's disappearance?
Nacho
Why the townread on Selkies?
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:23 pm
by Cabd
In post 858, The Goodfather wrote:last question about the neighborhood, is one of you a neighborizer?
like did you all start the game knowing you were in a neighborhood, or was it something that you were notified about after the game had started??
Spoiler: In Thread Mason Chat for Bert's eyes only
Gun to your head, based on Nacho''s entrance, town or scum? I think one of the 3 neighbors is scum, Aronis/IK in that order.
I need nacho to read Cabd for me
I still feel like Katsuki is really town, this doesn't look like the Katsuki from Anything goes.
Current Townbloc prospects:
Katsuki
Four Trouble
Nacho
What do you think of SSK's disappearance?
Answer: everything Nacho has done is pretty null. Need to see more. This is one of those times where since he showed up so late, I feel like letting him into D2 is fine for now. Gut-wise strictly speaking, his entry looked town...observation will continue
Katsuki - gut-town. that style is as close to mine as you'll see - spammy, chatty, and little reasoning - it's like a super-version of Bert I guess? Logically, could be scum or town easily - playstyle of that kind is too transferable between alignments. Sincerity and transparency will be looked for later on probably.
SSK's disappearance - relatively strong start, then fizzling out mighty quickly...if Nacho sees this, reminds me of Syryana-Stacking the Deck 501 past game? Maybe scum, gut-wise.
Of those three people you listed, FourTrouble is the most natural sounding to me and quite town, but Katsuki could probably understand you and me's style much better and mesh very well. Go with whatever you like, and I'll support. Nacho is Nacho and is useful if town-Nacho. <3
Natirasha is just the kind of moderator (like FG VisCon 1523/1489 past) who will throw curveballs - Muffin remembers VisCon 1523 when the neighborhood was totally town while scum had silent access to the QT...
In post 858, The Goodfather wrote:last question about the neighborhood, is one of you a neighborizer?
like did you all start the game knowing you were in a neighborhood, or was it something that you were notified about after the game had started??
How would this be alignment indicative at all?
it is not necessarily alignment indicative, but it might make more sense of muffins early day phase play.
I am still a bit thrown by his initial post where he seemingly arbitrarily decided a few reads.
He didn't name either of the members of his neighborhood
In post 152, zMuffinMan wrote:katsuki is town, foutrouble is town, mafiassk is maybe town, selkies is scum
Plus it would help analyze early town reads from the three of them. What if they made reads before they were all invited to the neighborhood? and what if those reads changed after talking in the qt?
Knowing the sequence of events will help when analyzing early day phase posting. That seems pretty straightforward to me. I also want to have a better understanding of the game mechanics. i have not come across neighborhoods firsthand before, and asking questions is the best way for me to learn how it works
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:36 pm
by Bert
Spoiler: for ns
@ns: I don't know, the lack of interaction between Nacho and others - especially when placing a vote on the leading wagon with nothing else said is kinda off, now that I think about it more. I also find it interesting that he does not comment on Cabd, but then announces Selkies as town without hesitation. This reminds me a lot of Micro 189 (past) where he made a late appearance after lurking and did something like this - says a few people are town, with little reasoning, then places a vote on someone who is being wagoned heavily. He either was pressed for time or is just trying to rush the lynch through and not have to work to show his cards early? Blind speculation by me. Logically, though, null.
I'm also starting to think IK town for that snarky post where he sheep-votes Aronis (lol don't laugh)...he/she finally let go and showed some pep in his/her step <3. IK's past interactions with SSK and (to a lesser extent) me were so....stoic and w/ restraint...
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:59 pm
by zMuffinMan
goodfather wrote:I am still a bit thrown by his initial post where he seemingly arbitrarily decided a few reads
none of that was arbitrary, all of those were serious, and it didn't have anything to do with the neighbourhood (although i did expand on each of those in the neighbourhood)
also of note, 362 happened because of neighbourhood stuffs. not sure it's all that important to discuss the specifics here, but i came out of it thinking idiotking looked a bit more town
goodfather wrote:I am still a bit thrown by his initial post where he seemingly arbitrarily decided a few reads
none of that was arbitrary, all of those were serious, and it didn't have anything to do with the neighbourhood (although i did expand on each of those in the neighbourhood)
also of note, 362 happened because of neighbourhood stuffs. not sure it's all that important to discuss the specifics here, but i came out of it thinking idiotking looked a bit more town
What do you peg the odds of natirasha making a 3 town neighborhood to fuck with people at?
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:02 pm
by zMuffinMan
that is what i was thinking was probably the case and why i was against outing the neighbourhood (IK wanted to out it asap, i thought it would just be a distraction and i didn't want scum knowing about it if it could be helped)
was probably the case and why i was against outing the neighbourhood (IK wanted to out it asap, i thought it would just be a distraction and i didn't want scum knowing about it if it could be helped)
So that opinion has changed?
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:08 pm
by zMuffinMan
nothing. me bad at english.
though if we're being realistic i'm not going to bet money on it
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:10 pm
by Bert
Spoiler: My WIFOM
Normal setups are probably somewhat boring to Nat, so I was thinking the same thing about the neighborhood. Something to spice it up and bring some suspense/setup spec.
I also think this setup was [probably] approved before FG's VisCon 1523 game's conclusion which included all-town neighbors and the scum's silent access to said QT. Nat was also killed rather late in VisCon 1523, in January...
The only game I know of that Nat took part in designing is the Pick & Ban game, and I recall FG helping to balance the setup because FG found out the setup could be broken by massclaim. So them two definitely have worked together in the past for completed games.
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:10 pm
by zMuffinMan
"was thinking" because it is a thought that crossed my mind much earlier in the game, and i haven't thought about it since
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:11 pm
by Cabd
In post 872, zMuffinMan wrote:"was thinking" because it is a thought that crossed my mind much earlier in the game, and i haven't thought about it since
So what is your read on Aro, then?
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:16 pm
by zMuffinMan
Godly One wrote:i'm unsure on aronis, his comments in the neighbourhood so far have been rather brief and lacking in any real information. i dunno how much of that has to do with him being a newbie.
Godly One wrote:
selkies wrote:You and IK have the same info to build a read from. What is it that you're seeing different from him about Aronis?
IK has a totally different method of scum hunting than i do - i don't have enough to form a proper read and i see minor things that make me think he could be town. nothing strong, though
"minor things" refers partially to neighbourhood QT, and partially to in game. there's like... no direction, no hidden underlying motivation in the way he's approached stuff this game. he seems really lost