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In post 848, Antihero wrote: upon rereading, i don't think Bro's scum any more UNVOTE:

Elaborate on this. Now.

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In post 836, CrashTextDummie wrote:Take your pick out of anyone who's actually around and capable of defending themselves. You've had the low-hanging fruit argument already with a number of people towards the beginning of the game, you may take it as a reference.

Well...now you're changing the goalpost to "active" players as opposed to strong.
Have you ever read one of my scum games and seen me exclusively hunt "weak" players?
For that record, a town game either?

I'm hunting where I'm hunting due to the specifics of this game and why I think I'm right.

What's your take on Pere?

In post 836, CrashTextDummie wrote:Did you really, well and truly believe at any point in the game that the scum team was Zekrom/zakk/Yiley?

No, and I never said as much either. I did say I saw Zakk or Yiley as a likely buddy. I never said I saw all three as a scumteam - those are different comments.

In post 836, CrashTextDummie wrote:Did you honestly believe at the end of D2 that Cxin was a reasonable substitute in that hypo scum team?

Yes.
He was a reasonable lynch.

In post 836, CrashTextDummie wrote:That the scum team was exclusively made of the people who didn't put an iota of effort into the game? That no one who was actually posting was worth pushing?

I pushed active people Day 1. Get over your meaningless self.

In post 839, CrashTextDummie wrote:I realize that Thor is pushing Pere at this point, who certainly is a strong player, but I have yet to see any compelling evidence that he's doing it for anything Pere did himself.

In post 849, PeregrineV wrote:Prodded. Still here.

Still a ray of town energy as e normally see from the famous lurk town Pere that we all know.

...oh...wait.

In post 831, Bulbazak wrote:I don't necessarily have times to devote to games I'm in now. What makes you think that I'll read a Varsoon game?

I had 3 posts and then got dayvigged for lurking.

@BRO - would you like to vote Pere? I would love to see you voting Pere.

In post 854, Thor665 wrote:@BRO - would you like to vote Pere? I would love to see you voting Pere.

Perhaps a complete reads list of who you think is town and who you think is scum would be beneficial to both of us. Aside from me, I'm note sure where you stand on any other player.

That's because I don't have particularly strong opinions about the rest of the game because the game is filled with people not expressing many opinions at all.

I think Crash is scummy, I think BRO and TSO are townish. Pretty much everyone else is in a muddle soup, and I could bother to apply a town or scum lean on them, but a single post could easily flip my opinions on them.

Eh, let's toss Penguin into the stronger side of townish too. I seem to recall liking some town hunting she did earlier.

In post 845, penguin_alien wrote:

In post 828, penguin_alien wrote:On the one hand, we have what could be scum grumpy for being called out for poor reasoning, but on the other hand we have smargaret taking enormous amounts of credit for the cxinlee lynch when it was looking quite inevitable, yet scum knew he'd almost certainly flip town barring third party hijinks that we haven't seen evidence of so far. So why remind everyone that she'd been pushing a mislynch for ages?

CTD, can you comment on this? Because I think it would take very brazen scum to be crowing over an incoming mislynch as smargaret did. And I look forward to your thoughts on Smudger/Antihero.

Where do people look for scum first on a mislynch wagon? The people driving or the people sheeping? Smargaret was objectively one of the people driving the wagon, and there is nothing brazen about taking ownership of that as scum. The current site-meta seems to be that being wrong is not scummy, and the more confident people are in being wrong, the less scrutinized they get. Smargaret was committed to that lynch and there is nothing remarkably town about any of it, including the post you quoted.

In post 846, Bulbazak wrote:"I have stronger scumspects" is a pretty good reason to put her in the upper null levels.

Like hell it is. It's no good reason whatsoever to put her , which you are doing by designating her a "null/town" read. I am not putting words into your mouth, Bulba. You were the one lumping her in with "a variety of town reads" yesterday. You were the one linking your Smargaret read to your Cxinlee read yesterday.

When can we expect you to finish sorting her? Soon, hopefully? Perhaps before she is lynched?

Explain your scum read on Anti. Smudger was a solid town read for you and until this post just now, I don't remember seeing any indication that you had changed your mind.

In post 852, Thor665 wrote:Well...now you're changing the goalpost to "active" players as opposed to strong.
Have you ever read one of my scum games and seen me exclusively hunt "weak" players?
For that record, a town game either?

I am not that well versed in Thor lore, so I can't say I have. I gather you usually don't? Then why are you doing it this game?

In post 852, Thor665 wrote:What's your take on Pere?

Pere is town.

In post 852, Thor665 wrote:No, and I never said as much either. I did say I saw Zakk or Yiley as a likely buddy. I never said I saw all three as a scumteam - those are different comments.

In post 466, Thor665 wrote:

In post 464, XScorpion wrote:@Thor: who do you think is the scum pair now? I'm not sure who p5's buddy would be.

Well, an easy and obvious buddy would be Yiley, though I would tend to suspect this to actually be a buddying move towards town rather than a scumbuddy. But, honestly, I'm not even sure if I'm calling Pere scum yet. His reads are jacked up though, and I want to analyze them and him and see if he read, what he did or didn't read, and his thought process during that period.

There's a degree of uncertainty that I didn't remember from my initial read-through, so maybe there's still hope for you.

Pere and I seem to be your only suspects right now though. You think we're scummy, but you don't think we're scum together, then?

Why am I scummy?

In post 856, Thor665 wrote:That's because I don't have particularly strong opinions about the rest of the game because the game is filled with people not expressing many opinions at all.

Are you saying you scumuhunt people via thier opinions?

I think Crash is scummy, I think BRO and TSO are townish. Pretty much everyone else is in a muddle soup, and I could bother to apply a town or scum lean on them, but a single post could easily flip my opinions on them.

CTD is staying firmly in the null pile for now, esp after that Mastin game. Bro I found townie earlier, but every ISO re-read changes my view of him. TSO I find townish, but I think it's partly because he agrees about smargaret.

You have any Zek-based reads?

In post 860, CrashTextDummie wrote:I am not that well versed in Thor lore, so I can't say I have. I gather you usually don't? Then why are you doing it this game?

Because I'm not. Coincidence has generated a situation where I am scumreading people you consider weak for reasons outside of why you consider them weak.
It would be like if my scumspects were ABR, Ald, and Angry Pigeon - you could accuse me of suspecting people whose username started with A, and it would have as much validity and purpose as your complaint here.

In post 860, CrashTextDummie wrote:Pere is town.

Why do you believe this?

In post 860, CrashTextDummie wrote:

In post 852, Thor665 wrote:No, and I never said as much either. I did say I saw Zakk or Yiley as a likely buddy. I never said I saw all three as a scumteam - those are different comments.

In post 466, Thor665 wrote:

In post 464, XScorpion wrote:@Thor: who do you think is the scum pair now? I'm not sure who p5's buddy would be.

Well, an easy and obvious buddy would be Yiley, though I would tend to suspect this to actually be a buddying move towards town rather than a scumbuddy. But, honestly, I'm not even sure if I'm calling Pere scum yet. His reads are jacked up though, and I want to analyze them and him and see if he read, what he did or didn't read, and his thought process during that period.

There's a degree of uncertainty that I didn't remember from my initial read-through, so maybe there's still hope for you.

CTD: Thor is doing this! He is bad at the game!
Thor: I didn't do that at all.
CTD: Well...I shall quote info proving your point...I will still suggest you are bad though, and ignore how useless this whole conversation is. Huzzah for me!

In post 860, CrashTextDummie wrote:Pere and I seem to be your only suspects right now though.

Yes.

In post 860, CrashTextDummie wrote:You think we're scummy, but you don't think we're scum together, then?

I am open to either possibility and see no valid reason to rule in or out either situation. I have discussed this in the past and my opinion hasn't changed on it. If it does I'm pretty likely to say so. It's not like I'm shy in expressing what I think.

In post 860, CrashTextDummie wrote:Why am I scummy?

Because of Yiley.
You may feel free to insert the scummy whine again about how I'm suspecting Pere for what Zakk did but to change the names to Yiley and CTD if you'd like. I don't care, and that argument is silly anyway.

In post 861, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 856, Thor665 wrote:That's because I don't have particularly strong opinions about the rest of the game because the game is filled with people not expressing many opinions at all.

Are you saying you scumuhunt people via thier opinions?

Are you saying you don't?
Yes, I am very much saying that. I don't even understand why that would shock/confuse/surprise you.

In post 861, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 856, Thor665 wrote:That's because I don't have particularly strong opinions about the rest of the game because the game is filled with people not expressing many opinions at all.

Are you saying you scumuhunt people via thier opinions?

No, he assigns them a number and if it's prime, you're scum.

Come on, Pere.

I don't see why you're scumreading CTD, Thor, he's coming off as nicely Town for me.

In post 864, T S O wrote:I don't see why you're scumreading CTD, Thor, he's coming off as nicely Town for me.

Did Yiley come off as nicely town to you?

CTD isn't doing much, in fact he's mostly poking at and misrepresenting a player he's calling a town read to "make me be better at the game" or some gak. He's functionally done nothing thus far. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to town read that.

In post 861, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 856, Thor665 wrote:That's because I don't have particularly strong opinions about the rest of the game because the game is filled with people not expressing many opinions at all.

Are you saying you scumuhunt people via their opinions?

In post 863, T S O wrote:

In post 861, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 856, Thor665 wrote:That's because I don't have particularly strong opinions about the rest of the game because the game is filled with people not expressing many opinions at all.

Are you saying you scumuhunt people via thier opinions?

No, he assigns them a number and if it's prime, you're scum.

Come on, Pere.

In post 862, Thor665 wrote:Are you saying you don't?
Yes, I am very much saying that. I don't even understand why that would shock/confuse/surprise you.

Thor: I don't have strong opinions about the rest of the game because people not expressing many opinions.
Me: Are you saying you scumuhunt people via their opinions?
Thor: Yes. Don't you?

Actually, no. That's kind of stupid, unless there is a flip involved. Then it becomes an interactive tell.

The only other time it works is if you can see the logic behind the opinion. Since both scum and town can have opinions, but town is required to have opinions to scumhunt and scum has to at least fake them, your lack of reads on opinionless players is disturbing. And the fact that you are claiming that that is the sole source of your scumhunting is also disturbing.
And before you say "I never said that!":

In post 856, Thor665 wrote:That's because I don't have particularly strong opinions about the rest of the game because the game is filled with people not expressing many opinions at all.

That's a sadly weak attack with no actual purpose behind it besides a weak discredit attempt on me.

My scumread on you holds.

Though, for the mild mental amusement of batting you around for lulz;

1. It was indeed a misrep to suggest that's my only way of reading people, and I didn't say it.

2. You started your conversation of explaining to me about how opinions aren't a good scumhunting tool...by asking me my opinion on some players. Making your whole rigmarole look like a lie.

3. You blithely ignored that I have reads on over half of the living players regardless, and seemed to have no other point.

Gawds, why will no one sheep me on you? I don't get it. I sort of hate all of the players in this game,a dn they are wusses about expressing their reads and doing "anything at all" is apparently anathema to them.

One day I'll return to the Newbie queue and get better.

I have to say you calling us all rubbish pissed me off at the start but I barely notice it now. "Antihero's lurking, Bulba's OMGUSing, Thor's bitching." Common.

I always pray to be proven wrong.

In post 868, Thor665 wrote:Though, for the mild mental amusement of batting you around for lulz;

1. It was indeed a misrep to suggest that's my only way of reading people, and I didn't say it.

856.

you didn't say "That's because I don't have particularly strong opinions about the rest of the game, because the game is filled with people not expressing many opinions at all."

You stated it in such a manner that your opinions of them come from their opinions.

2. You started your conversation of explaining to me about how opinions aren't a good scumhunting tool...by asking me my opinion on some players. Making your whole rigmarole look like a lie.

Good point. But, with a scum flip, previous opinions now become ---> interaction tells. And current opinions will become interaction tells. So yes, I'm hearing you say "I don;t want to create any interaction tells that can trace me back to scum."

Since you probably don't mean this, I'm asking you what you mean.

3. You blithely ignored that I have reads on over half of the living players regardless, and seemed to have no other point.

And it points out that you are reading Bulba and smargaret as null. and that shocks/confuses/surprises me.

In post 868, Thor665 wrote:Gawds, why will no one sheep me on you? I don't get it. I sort of hate all of the players in this game,a dn they are wusses about expressing their reads and doing "anything at all" is apparently anathema to them.

Tell me you did not just commit the "I hate this game" scumtell.

In post 872, PeregrineV wrote:And it points out that you are reading Bulba and smargaret as null. and that shocks/confuses/surprises me.

Considering my attitude towards them and the cases on them (that include shockingly misdirecting commentary like 'what is the case?' and 'I don't understand the issue' and 'is that even a scumtell?' I suppose that would come as a huge shock.

And now you sorta admit that opinions are a tool for scumhunting.
And then try to split hairs to make it vaguely seem like you still have a point in your misrep.
And if admitting to disliking the state of a game is a scumtell, then yes, I just committed it. I'll commit it again if you like. Run with that one as far as you wish.

Fine, then tell me you do not understand post 549.

Not your opinion of it, or whether you agree with it, but the basis behind the thoughts and summary.