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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:57 am
by Lowercase
I don't think NS is scum. His role is pro-town and he is the only claimed gunsmith miller. But assuming Fish is town, I can see why he would be suspicious of NS's role. Other than that, looking at Fish's case, the arguments worth considering are that NS missed two night actions and Fish didn't like his reads list. The first point is definitely a little weird, but not that convincing. I also don't like his wagon or the manner in which people voted him.

If I had to choose between voting NS or Fish, I would probably vote fish; but I don't think there is any need for a 1v1. I don't like his posting as much this game as the previous game I played with him. His arguments seem weaker this time around, but I don't know what to make of that. In light of there being some kind of gunsmith GF, I think the setup would make more sense with both NS and Fish town.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:23 am
by LoudmouthLee
I'm leaning very heavily towards voting for NS, and will explain why. Kag wi be proud of my setup guessing right now.

I currently believe lowercase. I will live to regret this, but am marking him down as town.

I believe that the scum must actually send a member to make a kill (hence the different killing methods), and therefore, it would make perfect sense for someone who was under intense scrutiny (the man with the gun) to not be sent to kill this day, instead, utilizing a different killing method.

I think that a gun was used to kill someone already. I'm feeling very strongly about lynching the man with the gun.

Still waiting to hear from FF

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:24 am
by Kagami
In post 850, Lowercase wrote:... In light of there being some kind of gunsmith GF ...
It seems we share the same suspicion about the stabbing flavor.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:25 am
by LoudmouthLee
And the reason I believe that is that the sending specific mafia for kills gives credence to the idea of a night watchman.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:27 am
by Kagami
"I believe that the scum must actually send a member to make a kill"

This is pretty much standard in 100% of the games nowadays, and I agree that the different kill methods are likely different flavors for different members of the scum-team.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:28 am
by Kagami
(and I think that's a legit townslip from LML, if there weren't already enough reasons to townread him)

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:37 am
by Kagami
I want Cho to weigh in.

I think it's more likely that Cho made the N1 kill, but her end-of-day 2 performance was so suspicious that the third scum, who is a gunsmith GF, had to make the night 2 kill.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:50 am
by MTD
I agree that LML is p much definitely town by now, as is Kagami (though not as entirely sure).
Sorry for not being around much, really don't know why I put so little time in here...
I'll reread.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:52 am
by MTD
I won't be able to do any great posts before Tuesday, though.

V/LA tomorrow through Monday

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:23 am
by Kagami
In post 616, Lowercase wrote:...

Cho also bothers me a bit. Her posts are all reasonable, but it seems like she's trying to avoid put herself out on a limb too much, and I generally didn't like the Zeph wagon earlier today. I'm not sure what else to say other than that she gives me the sort of vibe Huntress did in my first newbie.

...
Cho didn't want to be the one to make the N2 kill. The only other player LC hinted at being a likely track target was LML. Scum probably would not have revealed their alternative kill flavor unless it was necessary to do so.

Consider my vote on Cho, pseudo L-1.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:41 am
by LoudmouthLee
@Kag: why not lynch the man with the gun? Do you believe there is scum on the Cho wagon? Do you believe there is scum on the NS wagon?

Based on strength of town reads, which wagon is "townier?"

I ask you because I feel you're town, making the remaining scum already on wagons.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:58 am
by Kagami
The Cho wagon looks much better than the NS wagon in terms of its constituents.


We already know that a vanilla goon possesses a gun. The scum who does not possess a gun is likely the exception. I also don't doubt the "laser gun without batteries" claim, regardless of his alignment. Do you think a scum player with a "laser gun without batteries" would have "shoot" flavor on their kill? He would have to have gotten the batteries by night 1, and then Empking would have to have made the laser gun have the same kill flavor that we'd expect Josh's goon gun to have.

NS as the stabber actually makes more sense to me than him being the shooter. I also don't think he'd have been shy about making the kill himself. Even if he were tracked, which is unlikely given LC's scumreads the day prior, he might have been able to wriggle out of it, while his partner certainly couldn't.

It also harms him that the scum revealed a gunsmith GF, since it makes the gunsmith miller aspect of his claim less likely. Why would he have the stabber make the kill, and then point it out when we had all missed it?

I think the scumteam revealed something they didn't want to reveal by showing us their stabbing flavor. I think they had to have a good reason to do that, and a good reason to "shoot" on day 1. Cho-scum satisfies both points.


The mystery to me, though, is why didn't they stab night 1? They could have gotten an LC lynch if they kept stabbing, and made us think that goons don't have guns.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:10 am
by Cho
I really don't know what's going on anymore. The setup speculation just sounds ridiculously over the top to me but I'm just so lost.

@Mod, please sub me out. Sorry.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:19 am
by Nobody Special
This bullshit about each mafia member having different kill flavor is..... well, bullshit.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:21 am
by Formerfish
And your third party spec is grade a fucking detective work there Deputy Dog.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:35 am
by LoudmouthLee
Cho should never be allowed to play mafia ever again.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:43 am
by Formerfish
Are we going to lynch that slot too while waiting for a replacement?

I feel like everyone took a wrong turn and ended up down the rabbit hole.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:45 am
by LoudmouthLee
@kag, you can do the honors. I'm not waiting for a replacement.

On the record, since I firmly believe this is the last day I live.

I believe FF still has not told anyone about who he targeted today. There has been absolutely nothing he can prove (or has proven) to get me not to vote for him.

I also believe that if there is a gun with no batteries, there will also be batteries.

I still firmly believe that the scum team is NS and Cho, but I wouldn't be shocked if it's FF as well. I would be shocked, at this point, if it's Juls or Kag.

vote: cho

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:45 am
by LoudmouthLee
FF, who did you target? Last chance before people start asking you serious questions tomorrow.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:46 am
by LoudmouthLee
In post 866, Formerfish wrote:Are we going to lynch that slot too while waiting for a replacement?

I feel like everyone took a wrong turn and ended up down the rabbit hole.
This post makes me VERY uncomfortable.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:48 am
by Lowercase
@kag: Why would they expect me to be a viable lynch candidate on day 2? I know I, for one, would not have anticipated any suspicion on my slot without a second claimed investigator. Besides, even if there were two nights of stabbing it would be a pretty serious leap to assume that goons don't have guns, since the wiki page explicitly states that all mafia except doctors have guns. Perhaps they were banking on no gunsmith miller, in which case hiding the gunsmith GF would cast doubt on the claim.

As far as your spec about PR's and kill flavors, I agree with NS. Since most mafia roles have guns, I would expect the kill flavor to be "shot" even with wacky future gadgets involved.

p-edit: Cho, the spec isn't all that important. Do you at least have thoughts on what you've read so far, like why you are voting NS or something along those lines? It sounds like you prob won't have to worry about sticking around much longer anyway.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:04 am
by Nobody Special
So, Empking tells me that I no longer have the gun.

Juls, do you have a gun (with or without battery)?


Also, I asked if the kill flavor was relevant, and it is. (Granted, doesn't prove my theory, nor disprove yours.)

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:07 am
by Empking
Vote Count Thirty-Five: Der Bee Hive


Cho (4)- LowerCase, Jul, Belisarius, LoudMouthLee
Nobody Special (3) - FormerFish, MTD, Cho
FormerFish (1) - Nobody Special

Not Voting: Kagami

With Nine alive, it is Five to lynch

(expired on 2014-06-13 07:36:50)

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:13 am
by LoudmouthLee
unvote

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:15 am
by LoudmouthLee
In post 871, Nobody Special wrote:So, Empking tells me that I no longer have the gun.

Juls, do you have a gun (with or without battery)?


Also, I asked if the kill flavor was relevant, and it is. (Granted, doesn't prove my theory, nor disprove yours.)
You're lying. No mod, in their right mind, would give that information to you and not to the rest of the town. You knew the answer before hand.

vote: ns