Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[Nashville Dreams]

Anyone can fail
Say you will believe me
I can't take my heart will break
'Cause I made a stupid mistake
A stupid mistake

so u think you know who i am and i secretly want to work with you and you think the first thing to do is to suggest who i am...

really...

that rates right up there with comparing csareo to his first game and calling him town...

[Baboon Pride]

I have some catching up to do. I may not finish, because I'm tired, but we'll see.

-Ceph

[I have no creativity]

like i said if he can guess our name/flavor thingy correctly, im willing to hear him out. if nto its a LAL game.

plus i want a hammer. you should know full well then that i have a number of tricks up my sleeve already. so be paitent. tell me what you want me to do in the meantime. my vote is something that is not to be worried about.

[I have no creativity]

and yes when people do secret hydras and know a little to much about me to be some random hydra. i ahve to go hydra hunting

[Baboon Pride]

Saying he wanted IHNC lynched.
Then he went back to Baboon:
In post 235, FourTrouble wrote:
Baboon, I question whether there is a thought process behind the reads. Lack of thought process = scum.

Then he accused IHNC some more.
He was also suspicious of Fonz.
But later he somewhat rapidly switched to 5-Off, briefly, and back to Baboon a few pages later. And not long after he calls 5-Off a "fellow townie", if I am interpreting a post of his right.

This is probably my personal biggest issue with FT (at least at this point). I really don't care about the plagiarism thing as much as Mara does/did. This just feels to me like casting everywhere but himself for absolutely anything "shiny" to get others to latch onto that isn't him.

I apologize in advance for talking about irrelevant bullshit from 10 pages ago, but deal with it, I'm probably going to take up most of this page.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

And just speculating out loud here but I feel like 5-off could be third party. the neighborhood info he had... I could see going to a neutral third.

This resonates with me and is probably worth considering.

[Nashville Dreams]

I remember you used to like
Walkin' with me on my wilder side
My kind of crazy turned you on
Do you really want that part of me gone?


well go ahead and let him guess. it will tell me plenty about the both of you.

still i want you to get the fuzzy logic out. the lord will be with us. i am so going to hell for that.

[Baboon Pride]

Full disclosure, FT made my eyes glaze over within his first two sentences on page 24 and I didn't read the rest of his posts on said page. Also, if Nashville's remotely sane head isn't Titus I will eat my walking stick.
-Ceph

[Nashville Dreams]

I've searched the world and I know now,
It ain't right if you ain't lost your mind
Yeah, I don't want easy, I want crazy
Are you with me baby? Let's be crazy


which head do you think is sane?

Hayden

[gossamer wings]

Full disclosure, FT made my eyes glaze over within his first two sentences on page 24 and I didn't read the rest of his posts on said page. Also, if Nashville's remotely sane head isn't Titus I will eat my walking stick.
-Ceph

Maybe the balls are tasty?

Sanity is a scum tell for Titus by the by. >_>

[Nashville Dreams]

Lol no.

~M

[Baboon Pride]

Lets assume TvT fight.
Lets assume scum doesnt post in it.

Know who it incrimminates in this if it is tvt?

VOTE: Anatole Kuragin

Kinda liking this.

There is a line of posts there that I felt manipulated by in the same way I felt during Tales of You. The posts are different in approach but similar in how I felt in response (my immediate reaction to them was, "Baboon is 100% town," followed by, "wait, this is so fake, can't believe I got tricked by that").

Yeah, so, this is exactly targeted to make Tammy paranoid about me. There is no other purpose to this. Especially because I can't fathom what it could be talking about.

-Ceph

[gossamer wings]

On competence, Tammy, the point is you've not really done anything that would be particularly difficult or risky for either of you as scum. I'm not going to read you as town because you're active and making semi-reasonable points, because you do that in every game. If you drop an actual towntell? That's when you get read as town. I can understand you being wary of expressed paranoia because Swagtown - hell, that's precisely why i'm suspicious of FourT's 'I'm so paranoid' schtick.

Will my nightkill be a sufficient town tell? >_>

But you didn't answer falcons question. How are you familiar with his scum game or what makes you think he's competent at scum? (Something like that.)

[gossamer wings]

There is a line of posts there that I felt manipulated by in the same way I felt during Tales of You.

Actually, I'd like to know how exactly and from which posts in Tales of You, you felt manipulated by Ceph. You were townreading Fox/Hound before you flaked so I don't know what you are referring to.

~ F-16

[Nashville Dreams]

Full disclosure, FT made my eyes glaze over within his first two sentences on page 24 and I didn't read the rest of his posts on said page. Also, if Nashville's remotely sane head isn't Titus I will eat my walking stick.
-Ceph

Maybe the balls are tasty?

Sanity is a scum tell for Titus by the by. >_>

Right now he's probably slow dancing with a bleached-blond tramp,
and she's probably getting frisky...
right now, he's probably buying her some fruity little drink
'cause she can't shoot whiskey...
Right now, he's probably up behind her with a pool stick,
showing her how to shoot a combo...

And he don't know...

That I dug my key into the side
of his pretty little souped up 4 wheel drive,
carved my name into his leather seats...
I took a Louisville slugger to both headlights,
slashed a hole in all 4 tires...
Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats.


which head do you think is Titus?

You should be thinking both heads are insane. One is trying to lynch you and spout what should be jibberish to ika.

The other is not townreading you but is trying to avoid a shit fest.


So which head are you trying to discredit?

[gossamer wings]

I don't think I asked Fonz why he thinks I'm good as scum. Probably posted that in our hydra QT.

But I am asking now: Fonz, what scumgames of mine have you read?

~ F-16

[gossamer wings]

I don't think Titus is in there.

[gossamer wings]

Oh, I misread something then, hmm.

[Baboon Pride]

I figured it wasn't allowed, that's why I asked before doing it. I'll try to paraphrase, but it's gonna lose the tone of it, which is definitely relevant. He started with, "I want to clear something up. Are there any scum in here?" -- then followed that with, "I think we've caught scum on pg. 2 in Nashville. Nashville's continued reaction is really bad. I don't want to say anything because I want to see how they'll continue to react. But I'm telling you guys because I trust you." This is a bad paraphrase but it gets across the main ideas I was concerned with.

At first, I thought this guy was town. Then I realized a couple problems and felt like an idiot. If you're asking, "are there scum in here," you're not gonna start trusting people in the Intern PM when no one has even posted yet (at that time, only Lissa had posted besides Ceph). Nashville could have been IN THE PM, for all Ceph knew. The degree of trust made no sense. I didn't understand it, given an earlier post about possible scum in the PM. Suddenly, the whole, "we've caught scum already! yay!" was very manipulative, as was the, "guys, let's watch Nashville's continued reaction together, we're in this together" vibe. It felt like scum buddying up to the folks in the neighborhood.

So, alright, let's start out by throwing dirt on my tone, which you can't explain. OK, sure. Whatever.

"Are there any scum in here?" was never intended to be taken seriously. It's the equivalent of asking someone if they're town on page 1.

The Nashville thing was the first in my process of testing the waters in the neighborhood. My plan for the neighborhood, before it got vomited into the thread and completely ruined, was to start out by using it as though everyone in it was town; leaving small tidbits in it that I would prefer scum not know, but wouldn't be horribly broken up about if they did. From there, I was going to watch to see whether any non-neighbors changed their behavior in response to anything I said in the hood. So, for instance, I was criticizing Nashville's schtick continuing while they started getting pressure, as I thought the town thing to do would be to drop it and start contributing rather than try too hard at looking lighthearted. Then, if they proceeded to drop it (this is just an example, really, of what I wanted to do with the neighborhood), I suspect that someone in the neighborhood has passed them the information, giving me reason to suspect both that the player who changed is scum, and that there is a scum neighbor (IIRC this was before the presence of a scum neighbor became all but irrefutable & before I realized there could be a lurking neighbor, but those would play in as well).

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Because you didn't in any way indicate you had considered those things, and if you had it's hard to see how you could possibly have still voted for me. The second one considers that, one notes there's really obvious town reasons for acting as I did, and no real scum advantage.

This is also untrue. I may not have explicitly indicated that I was considering what your motives were, but that doesn't mean I wasn't doing so. I tried to explain this before but I wasn't very clear, so I'll try again. The problem I had was not your lack of a vote for Lissa. It was the complete lack of any position at all. I was unable to discern a town motive behind that, especially in conjunction with your vote for me (lynching town is a clear scum motive). The other obvious scum motive here is not taking a position, which lets you go either direction, depending on what's popular later.

I thought the position in Fonz's post about Lissa was very clear.
-Ceph

[Lissa]

Baboon, thank you for reminding me why I am townreading you.
gossamer and Baboon, thank you for reminding me why I am scumreading Four.
I'll go iso-find some more townish Baboon posts now.

Reading Four's posts seems to have a strange tendency to sway me towards his viewpoint and often when I read others' posts about him I ask myself why. I'm wondering if that's worrisome or if I'm just being paranoid.

[Nashville Dreams]

Why, why, why do you wanna change me now?
Ain't I the one you loved everything about?
You might start missin' the old me around
So why, why, why do you wanna change me now


So Ceph, which head do you think is sane?

Goss is still scum by the way. That response to my post was bad.

[gossamer wings]

If you guys are town and italics head is who I think it is, they're town reading me and supposedly don't need reaction tests to read me. Which is what leaves me dumbfounded to your whole interaction with me past the cute phase. Supposedly italics head would want to work with me if they got a town read on me HOWEVER your hydra has proceeded to interact with me in such a way that it's a near guarantee that will not happen. Even if I'm wrong, and even if I realize I'm wrong, working with you has a very very very slim chance of happening.

[gossamer wings]

I never thought Titus was in there.

I was making a joke about Titus' sanity being a scum tell.

[gossamer wings]

Fonz, I can logically follow why you would suspect FT but I don't agree with your underlying idea that town would always act in a way you feel is optimal. For instance, you question Cutty Shark on keeping their vote on someone who replaced out. You also say that town need to prioritize scumreads and that not doing so is scummy. You also provide justification for why town players must provide reasoning for their reads. My problem is that you are basing your scumreads on what is the optimal play for town rather than what town do on average. Town don't always provide cases (Chamber), town don't always prioritize scumreads. Town don't always keep their votes on their biggest suspects. I've read your articles and comments in MD as to why it is beneficial for town to play a certain way. I just don't agree with it. For instance I vote when and how I want, sometimes try to find entire scumteams, and sometimes provide naked reads lists. I can buy that you as town genuinely believe in your suspicion but I also that you as scum would try to find things that townies do that are sub-optimal and unintentionally support a scum wincon more than a town one and push on those things and I'm undecided as to which it is right now.

~ F-16

Oh, it was this post falcon is waiting for fonz to respond to. Sorry for the confusion.