Robbery! At The Casino (Game Over)

[Majiffy]

Play nice girls.

Mafia is a game of emotions and tension. Arguments happen, nasty words are said. If you don't have a thick skin, you won't last long around here.

I'm not going to go punishing people for saying mean things. But do try and be civil.

If you really have an issue with the word choices others are making, feel free to take it up with list mods and people with actual powers.

[geraintm]

If they're actually masons, they have to be NKd before endgame, so we are not lynching them day 2. That's dumb.

Catching up.
You mean o ly one needs to be killed, right?

[geraintm]

@Geraint/Aronis, I don't think you had to claim there, like, at all.

@Nati, still waiting for your reads. You could also try contributing something that's useful, that would be nice.

@Shos, I was thinking along those lines for a second because the timing of that claim is so strange. For now though, we should just leave it be.

I need to re-evaluate my reads from the Pants wagon in light of Aronis being *confirmed town*, one of my Desp/Shos/Beck town-reads could be off.

I didn't know what to do. I've not been a mason before, I was trying to be as unsubtle about things between me and are is as I could but it just seemed to be focussing things back onto me. If I didn't come forward, then the next few real life days would have continued with aronis/me coming under more pressure before having to claim later.
If I have played poorly as a mason then I apologise.

[geraintm]

@Geraint/Aronis, I don't think you had to claim there, like, at all.

@Nati, still waiting for your reads. You could also try contributing something that's useful, that would be nice.

@Shos, I was thinking along those lines for a second because the timing of that claim is so strange. For now though, we should just leave it be.

I need to re-evaluate my reads from the Pants wagon in light of Aronis being *confirmed town*, one of my Desp/Shos/Beck town-reads could be off.

I know. But someone was rather eager to claim.

Sorry. Last thing you had said to me was wagon was losing momentum but it didn't feel like that to me

[Beck]

mod. I have a conundrum. If your game rules say don't violate site rules and a player clearly violates them, why are you not enforcing it? This sets a bad precedence. I also don't wish to be in the game with PC anymore but don't feel I should be the one to replace out.

[geraintm]

People should really be voting PC/gerain/nat

and yes I do say so...

obviously my read on gerain comes off because they claimed masons but I still don't like his play this game so I don't fully buy the claim.

My play has been poor. Day one I didn't like any of the wagons but it was obvious the final one wasn't going to catch scum.
Today I've just been sitting there watching people vote for my partner. I know I a not going to let him get lynched so it is all just a waste of time. But no other wagons really form all day and aronis was still up there.
So I do know my play has been bad but it has really been clouded by my role.

[Beck]

I didn't know what to do

You could have done what I asked you to do and provide reasons why he was town, you could have not claimed. Unless there was nothing in his ISO that you could use. If that's the case, no wonder people were scum reading him

[geraintm]

Ger and Aronis, have either of you drawn Mason before?

Vote: Perfect Chaos

No. This is my first time.
As I havesaid, if I've been a bad mason then sorry

[Beck]

And claiming masons doesn't absolve you from all my questions I'm still waiting for you to answer

[geraintm]

I didn't know what to do

You could have done what I asked you to do and provide reasons why he was town, you could have not claimed. Unless there was nothing in his ISO that you could use. If that's the case, no wonder people were scum reading him

It is really hard for me to provide reasons to another player that someone is town when the evidence I have - role - just clouds everything. The reason he is town is because he is town....that is literally what I kept saying in every post and yes, I know everyone wants more than that, but I can't make a case on why he is town (and I imagine it would have been equally difficult for him to do it for me) because my point of view on him is just so different to everyone else.
I admit I didn't know how to use the mason role to trap people into outing themselves. I am trying to think Ive been in a game with masons before (certainly not since I returned to the site)

[Beck]

Masons don't really trap people, it's useful other ways but you haven't really used it to your advantage. Having 2 confirmed townies to bounce ideas off each other is helpful. But I don't see anything cohesive coming from either of you

[Beck]

Do you have day talk?

What did you discuss night 1?

Who are each of your scum reads and why?

[Natirasha]

This is fun.

@gerantm: My point was more that the masons are a self-resolving problem and we shouldn't discredit your claim by now.

[shos]

Beck, I honestly think you take stuff too seriously, you can't just go reportinge veryone who says a mean word, we're not 6 years old anymore. You can't just expect him to replace you or him just for the use of 'asshole' once, lol.

anyway, beck's behaviour is typical to his townplay, so I'm still totally townreading this slot. It seriously can't be faked to this level.
more votes should be carried out on ace. people say they scumread him, but no vote?

Beck, why do you not scumread ace?

[Beck]

Of course I take things seriously, I play to have fun, not get insulted by somebody who can't handle the fact that somebody thinks they are scum.

I wasn't scum reading ace cause I had other suspects, I'm reevaluating my reads now

[theaceofspades]

@ beck. desp is pretty null. one line responses. nothing much to go on. could just as easily be scum as it could be lazy town. null

[Beck]

@ beck. desp is pretty null. one line responses. nothing much to go on. could just as easily be scum as it could be lazy town. null

Yet its scummy when aronis did it?

[shos]

of course you can get insulted, but if I got insulted every time I was called an asshole I'd be in deep depression all my life. stop giving a shit, lol

[Beck]

If I was being an asshole I probably wouldn't care, but i wasnt. being called an asshole cause I think he's scum is ridiculous. And he obviously can't control himself (see post 849). So he called me an asshole and then insults me more by calling me a woman. I shouldn't have to sit here taking insults, especially when their are rules in place to prevent that very thing

[Beck]

If he isn't replaced, I will replace out. So we can lynch him, replace him, Lynch me, or replace me.

Him and I staying alive and in the game together is not an option

[Beck]

I've put desp on my scum list now. Still think PC is scum and I know for a fact Nat is scum

[Majiffy]

THIS IS A VOTECOUNT LOL

Desperado (2): Aronis, Double Trouble
theaceofspades (2): geraintm, Shos
Perfect Chaos (4): Beck, theaceofspades, BlueBloodedToffee, Desperado
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Natirasha
Natirasha (1): Beck

Not Voting: Perfect Chaos, GrayFoxxxx
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 begins now and ends on Wednesday, October 22 at 2:30 PM Eastern

Accuracy never guaranteed. But

probably

accurate.

[Beck]

I have 2 votes? Sweet

vote:PC

vote:PC

[Beck]

On second thought

vote: desparado

[Perfect Chaos]

Of course I take things seriously, I play to have fun, not get insulted by somebody who can't handle the fact that somebody thinks they are scum.

I wasn't scum reading ace cause I had other suspects, I'm reevaluating my reads now

I can handle someone thinking I am scum, HOWEVER, I do have an issue with someone who takes a simple sentence and twists it around to fit a bullshit view that they themselves hold. Your big push on me started with a "slip" that was discussed previously and disregarded. You however think that you saw something that everyone else missed and have made it your mission to get me lynched. No ifs, ands or butts about it. And thinking someone is scum and as you put it, "knowing with 100% certainty," are two very different things. No where in your read is there any room for error and that is the part that makes me think that you are scum trying to emulate town behavior because "scum wouldn't keep up with something for this long, only town would do that" which is bullshit logic.

So since you are big on manners, could you please stop misrepping me by saying that I can handle someone

thinking

I'm scum, when you have in fact already deemed me to be guilty before any true evidence has been put forth.