A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Mirhawk]

There's a lot to respond to here so I'm likely going to make several posts.

First off I promised to point out why I think dav's scum.

First off read his iso. Everything until he places his first vote is sidelong comments on other wagons. Half of that is throwing shade with no votes cast.

His first vote (which is not till page nine) is for what precisely? Immediately after placing it he goes back to asking pointless questions. He makes literally zero effort to convince a single person that I'm scum.

I tried to question him on the vote but then he disappeared until after that miller business at which point he was no longer interested in discussing his earlier case.

He's been sitting on me since post 213, but since then has only mentioned me once.
He didn't even call me scum in that post, rather saying I could be town or scum.

What's he doing now? Still making sidelong comments without seemingly looking for scum at all.

He's being townread for what precisely?

[Mirhawk]

Wait no, it was twice.

[Mirhawk]

I don't really like Pipers 582. I'm not seriously considering them scum or anything, I just don't like it.

I don't care about anything in the first half, and I somewhat agree with the bit on BB.

It's mostly just opinion, but it's all wrong.
That's a lot of wrong in one place, in one big post, and its all about me, and I don't like it.

[Rob14]

Cerberus v666 replaces millar13. Vote count and an update to the first post coming in 4ish hours when I get to my hotel.

[Mirhawk]

People taking about flavorclaims.
I see no reason to not do it. As I stated before, my flavor has nothing to do with my role so I kind of doubt it does for anyone else. I don't think it will gain us anything, but I don't think it will lose us anything either.

[Friendless Seniors]

If the goal here is to get beeboy to stop tunneling you, it seems smarter to engage him on the few points than he's brought up as opposed to calling his post garbage and then asking him to do something about it.

honestly nacho, it is SUPER difficult to have a reasonable discussion with a crazy person screaming in your face frothing at the mouth. He started it based on lies and continues it based on lies, I pointed those out and am uninterested and pushing this any further

Ogre's stances this game make no sense. However, I actually think hes town from it. I don't think hes reading the game very closely, and seems to be hard skimming in a sorta townie way.

I don't get why Cakez is being allowed to skid along like this

[Cerberus v666]

Hello everyone. I'm at work, but I'll catch up on everything this evening.

[Mirhawk]

Currently Mirhawk because his reactions to Ami's Miller CC was very questionable, felt like he knew it was fake, and then I really don't like his dave push.

It WAS fake.

How would scum be any more or less likely to know this then town?

Literally the only way for any reasoning following this line of thought to work is for Ami to also be scum.

[Mirhawk]

I personally found his early posts felt too much like drive-by sniping. The questions were all pretty good ones, but none of them really felt like they connected with the gamestate at all.

The Miller stuff definitely makes him very likely to be Scum.

I want you to justify every single thing in this quote because every single part of it is horseshit.

[Mirhawk]

Hey guys I think Swordsworth should be the ultimate lynch for today

Carry on

No?

He's a good vig shot, but a wasted lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

He's a good vig shot, but a wasted lynch.

Uh what.

[Sakura Hana]

A lynch is a town controlled kill that requires the majority of the playerlist to agree with.
A Vig shot is a town controlled kill that requires a single player to agree with. (Unless Mafia Vig, but i have only seen one on BBMolla's large)

They are literally the same thing, so why would it be a waste of a lynch but not a waste of a vig? or in the reverse case, why would it be a good vig but not a good lynch?

[Mirhawk]

He's barely even here. We would be better off lynching a more active player. That way there would be far more information available to the town in general. As we would be able to examine how other players interact with the lynched player.

How do you not know that, this conversation happens literally every time a policy lynch is proposed.

[podoboq]

He's barely even here. We would be better off lynching a more active player. That way there would be far more information available to the town in general. As we would be able to examine how other players interact with the lynched player.

How do you not know that, this conversation happens literally every time a policy lynch is proposed.

I agree with this logic in a vacuum. Not sure at this point how I think we should apply that logic with regard to Swords.

[Sakura Hana]

He's barely even here. We would be better off lynching a more active player. That way there would be far more information available to the town in general. As we would be able to examine how other players interact with the lynched player.

How do you not know that, this conversation happens literally every time a policy lynch is proposed.

And then scum lurked it out... well swords is V/LA so he cant help it, but right here you're just giving scum more outs by deciding to not go after lurkers. I literally don't care how often swordsworth is posting, but the contents of his posts.

[Mirhawk]

davesaz is definitely town

No

[Mirhawk]

He has ONE post that interacts with the game and two nothing posts.

I'm not against taking him out, but I am against using our lynch to do it.

[Mirhawk]

Especially on day one.

[Spiffeh]

It's ok Sakura we'll lynch him dw

[davesaz]

You really do need to listen to the people who have played with me before. Not that one vote really matters that much, but wasted effort that doesn't go into finding scum becomes harmful after a point.

In separate news, I'm not seeing anything town from Dramonic. Is this normal for him?
<hint for Mirhawk -- which alignment DOESNT KNOW the other person's alignment, so has to ask questions?>

BTW, I agree with your position on Swordsworth. Given a choice between a flip that yields information and one that doesn't, the information is more important early game. If we need to PL lurkers it can be done later in the game if/when we run out of useful PR results, if any. (this may change if we reach deadline though)

Pedit: the above in reply to Mirhawk.

Sakura & Speffeh -- Hopefully Swords will start posting after V/LA, and it would not surprise me for it to be an easy sort when he does.

[Spiffeh]

its just frustrating playing and getting tunneled, TWL. I'll play well now

still waiting

[Mirhawk]

No he obviously did realize it, and then decided it looked bad and backtracked on it two posts later. Yeah that's a thought process people have, I've done it before as scum.
No voting there sucks because there was definitely enough to make scumreads from at that point. He didn't say anything about changing his mind until prodded pages later, he just naked voted.
Yeah I am

This argument sucks as this is a thing town do too.
Town might do it for different reasons, but they still do it.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Swords

I am wheeling spiffy until I get more motivated.

as we all should

[Spiffeh]

Mala/gm are definitely town

[davesaz]

No he obviously did realize it, and then decided it looked bad and backtracked on it two posts later. Yeah that's a thought process people have, I've done it before as scum.
No voting there sucks because there was definitely enough to make scumreads from at that point. He didn't say anything about changing his mind until prodded pages later, he just naked voted.
Yeah I am

This argument sucks as this is a thing town do too.
Town might do it for different reasons, but they still do it.

This is the Ogre thing, right?
Changing your mind like that is a human thing, not just town/scum. If it were in response to someone questioning him on it, after sufficient time to work out the pros and cons, then it could be more alignment indicative. I certainly wouldn't want to make a whole case on that one thing.