Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[innocentvillager]

I explained why I tracked you n1.

Fake what shit? Come at me LMAO.

[innocentvillager]

Joushi did you crumb? Lol, I didn't think so.

[innocentvillager]

Also if it was me PP or me ironstove scumteam Transcend you would be dead AF.

BlankFace and i came up with an exact system like this in Newbie 1717, when town voted town. Why the hell would i yell at joushi to unvote when I have an autowin on my hands??? Please think thx.

[innocentvillager]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=1717

Newbie 1717 scum thread.

Last page, BF and I discussed a way to quickhammer.

Here is our very own town-Hark newbvoting town-Postie in lylo and me and BlankFace quickhammering the shit out of that for an easy autowin:

You seriously think I wouldn't do that here?? That ALONE should be what makes you vote Joushi. Plus, if PP really was online at that time like you said he was, it would've been an easy win.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1150

[Transcend]

Welcome Penguins! I wonder why Hark chose to replace out, too many games at once?

Question is was innocentvillager scum desperate enough to see a lynch go through that he hammered, or was he just town hoping for a scum flip?

Question 2 is, who was scum on the wagon?

fiddlercrabontheroof

(5): ironstove, Harkonnen97, Transcend,

Skold

, innocentvillager

Do you think it's likely there was no scum on the wagon at all? Meaning both scum are among {karnos, Joushi, Enefpe no Time}?

I think the potential town cred of not being on the wagon is pretty much zero, while the gain to scum of getting an extra townie killed is rather significant, so my personal thinking is that scum were either already on the wagon or waiting and ready to hammer at the last minute.

Not being on the wagon I agree doesn't mean much, since the votes all happened fairly quickly after each other. That said, looking at who wasn't on the wagon leads me to believe that we had a 1/1 split. Enefpe really hasn't done anything to make him look more town to me, and the fact that he wasn't NK'd is pretty surprising to me. Number one scumread in my book. My earlier post on the Enefpe/Karnos scumteam looks all kinds of confbias to me now so I doubt his partner would be you.

Enefpe/Stove? Doubt it
Enefpe/Hark? Maybe
Enefpe/Transcend? Likely
Enefpe/IV? Maybe

I feel scum would have ironstove or enefpe lol

Yea the skold kill doesn't make sense. I would think someone like the PR claim (enefpe) or the person who is being town read by other players (arguably me) would be the best target.

Not sure how you guys are town reading me, because in other games I sign, I always get lynched LOL. Dumb town telling? IDK. With that said, my win rate on EM is abysmal as mafia, it's like <20%

I feel like both of you are overlooking a pretty obvious explanation, Enefpe wouldn't kill himself. You're also always asking why we're townreading you and it's starting to seem a little weird. Pretty sure I said this before, but for my hardest townread, it's like you're trying to get us to scumread you.

VOTE: innocentvillager

final answer, regis.

if i'm wrong wp to you joushi and i hope to see you play more games.

joushi was tunneling the shit out of enepfeslot until enomis claimed doc with no action and the 180 looks super genuine here.

[Transcend]

ALSO PLEASE ASK FOR A SPEED NIGHT. I DONT WANT TO WAIT FOREVER FOR SCUM TO KILL THE FUCKING TRACKER.

[Transcend]

innocentvillager has been fake this entire fucking game and needs to be roped at once.

[Transcend]

Joushi not crumbing doesn't make him scum. It's his first game on the site, and he might not know that's a valid strategy.

[innocentvillager]

TRANSCEND HOW FUCKING BAD ARE YOU

I COULD'VE HAD YOU AUTOLYNCHED RIGHT NOW

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU ARE THIS BAD

[Transcend]

i'll learn from my mistakes if you're town lol

[Transcend]

and you'll learn from your mistakes if you're scum aka not blitzing me.

[innocentvillager]

I have literally blitzed before. I GAVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHY I BLITZED. AND YOU'RE TELLING ME I NEED TO LEARN FROM THAT??

Let's say I'm scum. I'm so fucked here, right? You're onto me, PP is probably onto me, what the hell am I supposed to do, right? I NEED A BASIC QUICKHAMMERING SYSTEM IN THE EVENT THAT I CAN SURVIVE THIS GAME. I'VE DONE IT BEFORE, AND IM NOT JUST GOING TO RANDOMLY PUSH FOR JOUSHI TO UNVOTE YOU HERE.

[innocentvillager]

joushi was tunneling the shit out of enepfeslot until enomis claimed doc with no action and the 180 looks super genuine here.

You are only seeing this from a town joushi perspective. You are ignoring the fact that this makes perfect sense to do as scum too. He was just rolefishing for EnT to claim.

Why do you think I didn't want him to claim??? Just so I could kill him secretly??

[Transcend]

i don't read previous games

penguin hasn't responded to this thread before but he was online. stove was also online iirc.

neither of them have posted in the thread.

they might not be aware that the day even started.

[Transcend]

UNVOTE:

fine

but just know i'm likely roping you at eod

[innocentvillager]

i'll learn from my mistakes if you're town lol

if i'm wrong wp to you joushi and i hope to see you play more games.

NO. This is not the attitude to have. You should be looking for actual scum, not letting whatever previous stuff that's happened color your reads.

Scum!Joushi makes just as much sense if not MORE sense here than town!Joushi.

[innocentvillager]

i'll learn from my mistakes if you're town lol

if i'm wrong wp to you joushi and i hope to see you play more games.

NO. This is not the attitude to have. You should be looking for actual scum, not letting whatever previous stuff that's happened color your reads.

Scum!Joushi makes just as much sense if not MORE sense here than town!Joushi.

[Transcend]

it's just your actions are more inconsistent than joushi lol

[innocentvillager]

UNVOTE:

fine

but just know i'm likely roping you at eod

Thank you. Let's get iron and PP in here and we can continue discussing this. But honestly, the fact that I didn't quickhammer you should be obvious enough.

[innocentvillager]

it's just your actions are more inconsistent than joushi lol

how

I literally explained all my motivations for tracking each person. All you have to do is ask.

[innocentvillager]

A real tracker will generally not just track their top scumread if both scum are alive, since the scummier person will generally not submit the kill.

Note that the only reason Joushi was tunneling Enefpe D1 was because he didn't like his attitude. Yeah, sure, I didn't either, he was total fucking dick that had no respect for the mod or for the game. But does that mean he's scum? Absolutely not! Newbtown would realize this.

There is no pause in D1 for why he kept hardtunneing Enefpe other than stuff like general unhelpfulness, rudeness, etc., which clearly aren't scumtells. The fact that he didn't even question this makes Joushi either a horribad town player or newbscum that is looking for a reason to have a consistent read.

Who knows, maybe he was clever enough to soft tracker along with it too and was planning this whole thing out. But honestly I can see scum Joushi coming up with this on the spot.

That "reversal" on Enefpe is a reaction ANYONE would have. What kind of a doctor claims their predecessor didn't visit?

[Transcend]

okay iv: you have a solid point, but unfortunately it does not 100% clear you because if you have a scum partner they didn't post in the thread when you were both online simultaneously to quickblitz.

however, joushi: you do have to realize that you are sorta mechanically confirmed mafia to me.

but like my gut is telling me no.

[innocentvillager]

That's why I was on edge about Joushi N1 so I submitted the Joushi track pretty late into the night with the added plus that Joushi would have submitted the kill unless his partner was townier perceived than him. That's why he was an optimal track N1: I had some private reservations about Joushi, and he was relatively townread that an NV would make him-scum MUCH less likely. I didn't actually consider an ironstove/Joushi scumteam, I thought that was kind of ludicrous. But hindsight/confbias I guess, makes anything seem more obvious.

[Transcend]

i seriously think your name is going to have red font in it from the host

but i promise i won't make another vote until we've had a few days of discussion.

[innocentvillager]

okay iv: you have a solid point, but unfortunately it does not 100% clear you because if you have a scum partner they didn't post in the thread when you were both online simultaneously to quickblitz.

Sure, I'm not 100%, nothing really is other than cc related stuff like me/Joushi.

But you have to realize that we would both be watching the thread. It doesn't make sense to set up a quickhammering system where you just blindly go for a post to signal to the other partner. What would've made more sense for a quickhammering system is if I just voted when I was sure PP or IS was going to be online and watching the thread. Of course, I would make sure than Joushi isn't online to remove the vote, which he did shortly after.

I set up an optimal quickhammering system like this each time. It straight up does not make sense why I wouldn't take the autowin here if I had it, it simply does not, given how much suspicion there was on me.