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Either way, you shouldn't ever rely on what happens at night. I use roles as corroboration for behaviors, but never against.

In post 848, Shoshin wrote:Redirected? Bus drove? Role blocked?

Redirect/Bus drove are not normal.

Role blocked is possible.

In post 850, Shoshin wrote:Either way, you shouldn't ever rely on what happens at night. I use roles as corroboration for behaviors, but never against.

You should usually rely on a probable guilty.

Mafia is a game of probabilities, no?

But if scum had a roleblocker, why not block the claimed PR and try to hit another with the nk?

In post 852, Mumble wrote:

In post 850, Shoshin wrote:Either way, you shouldn't ever rely on what happens at night. I use roles as corroboration for behaviors, but never against.

You should usually rely on a probable guilty.

Mafia is a game of probabilities, no?

A guilty result increases probability that someone is scum, but it's also an incredibly unreliable piece of evidence because you just don't know what happened at night. So I always use it as corroboration, never against behaviors. I've been in games where someone comes out with a guilty on my strongest town read, and I defended the fuck out of her, and she was in fact town, NK'd the next night because my defense was so strong. So, yeah, can't trust roles unless it corroborates behaviors.

I can't explain what happened at night, so I'm not even going to try. All I know is I didn't receive a fruit and I'm town as fuck.

BBT getting roleblocked makes a lot of sense with an Invisibility/Mumble team.

In post 842, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Fuck it.

I'm claiming Town Loyal Fruit Vendor and I visited Shoshin last night. She should have received fruit from me but she is saying she has no idea of anything. My action only fails if I target scum. Or if I was role-blocked which is highly unlikely.

PEdit - It wasn't the claim Tex - it was the posting in general.

Where's the Scum motivation for this?

BBT is claiming a provable role. What are the odds he got roleblocked? If he's scum, then he plans on claiming Roleblocked from here on out?
Why make this play as scum this early when Invisibility is at L-1?

My read on BBT has been towny and hasn't really changed. I believe the claim. I don't see how or why he would do this as scum.

So that means............. Scum blocked him or he was possibly Jail kept by another towny or Shoshin is actually scum.

What other scenarios are there for Town BBT to get no result?

In post 846, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I wasn't role-blocked. I don't think I would have been high on scum's priority list after my D1.

I had to look up Loyal in the wiki. It says that if you target scum, it will be the same as if you were role-blocked. So either someone else has your pear and could confirm the redirection, or you were role-blocked, or your pear went to scum, either Shoshin or redirected to scum. Ugh.

Redirect is not possible in a normal game.

In post 855, Shoshin wrote:All I know is I didn't receive a fruit and I'm town as fuck.

No, you're not.

In post 856, Shoshin wrote:BBT getting roleblocked makes a lot of sense with an Invisibility/Mumble team.

No, it doesn't. Why would scum with a RB roleblock an unknown slot versus a known PR? Makes no sense.

More likely, you are caught scum scrambling.

Okay, prior to BBT's claim.

The game state was really annoying with the arguing going on. I'm glad something has disrupted that tbh.

I'm leaning town on Mumble and my Shoshin read went from Almost Hard town on Day 1 to not so much throughout the day 2.

I still think Invisibility could easily flip scum, and most likely I would have hammered if that was still a possibility prior to BBT's claim.

In post 860, Mumble wrote:

In post 855, Shoshin wrote:All I know is I didn't receive a fruit and I'm town as fuck.

No, you're not.

In post 856, Shoshin wrote:BBT getting roleblocked makes a lot of sense with an Invisibility/Mumble team.

No, it doesn't. Why would scum with a RB roleblock an unknown slot versus a known PR? Makes no sense.

More likely, you are caught scum scrambling.

Is it possible BBT was Jailkept?

In post 862, Havo wrote:Is it possible BBT was Jailkept?

It's possible. That would make more sense than scum blocking him.

In post 820, JarJarDrinks wrote: 1.

BlueBloodedToffee

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Invisibility

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Shoshin

man I'm good.

In post 863, Mumble wrote:

In post 862, Havo wrote:Is it possible BBT was Jailkept?

It's possible. That would make more sense than scum blocking him.

Now, what are the odds we have a JK and the JK chose BBT?

I hope Invisibility flips role blocker.

In post 860, Mumble wrote:Why would scum with a RB roleblock an unknown slot versus a known PR?

The obvious reason is because they were killing the known PR.

In post 844, Shoshin wrote:Well, I didn't receive any fruit. So you were role blocked or redirected or who knows?

Or he's scum?

In post 865, Havo wrote:Now, what are the odds we have a JK and the JK chose BBT?

I'm not sure how to determine that.

In post 830, JarJarDrinks wrote:So you're saying you believe this is possible?

BlueBloodedToffee

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Invisibility

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Mumble

Shoshin. You've danced around the question enough. Is this possible?

In post 868, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 844, Shoshin wrote:Well, I didn't receive any fruit. So you were role blocked or redirected or who knows?

Or he's scum?

Thoughts on 857

In post 867, Shoshin wrote:

In post 860, Mumble wrote:Why would scum with a RB roleblock an unknown slot versus a known PR?

The obvious reason is because they were killing the known PR.

That's a bad reason. They can keep a known PR useless while PR hunting elsewhere. That's Mafia 101.

We're lynching Shoshin today.

BBT is probably a scum PR that his action blocked.

In post 873, JarJarDrinks wrote:BBT is probably a scum PR that his action blocked.

Why?