Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

Varsoon · Post Post #850 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:18 pm

In post 842, Shoshin wrote: Misunderstanding? No. Varsoon is scum who got caught early and now is trying to make up for it with lots of meanignless activity that hasn't actually got us any closer to finding scum and none of which actually contains anything towny. His ISO is empty of meaningful scumhunting.

So what should a townie you've decided is scum do?
Roll over and go, "Fuck this game"?
I'm not RC.

Varsoon · Post Post #851 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:19 pm

I've come to much more informed reads based on the interactions I've had.
I've pressured several players for content and both you and Kokichi continue to let me down.
Why is that?

Varsoon · Post Post #852 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:21 pm

I'm actually getting really sick of you misrepresenting every single play I make. You're confbiased and nothing I ever do will be good enough, even if I single-handedly lynch the whole scum team and win this game for us.

Varsoon · Post Post #853 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:21 pm

If I lead a lynch on scum?
Oh, Varsoon must be bussing, he's obviously scum

Varsoon · Post Post #854 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:22 pm

If I push the game to be more involved?
Oh Varsoon is doing nothing, useless busywork posts that aren't towny at all

Varsoon · Post Post #855 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:24 pm

If I push my scum-suspects while cultivating my reads and answer literally every post directed at me while being critical of people who are skimming by?

Empty ISO! Empty ISO!

DESPITE THE FACT THAT RADIANT COWBELLS HAS MORE THAN DOUBLE MY POSTCOUNT AND NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT
BUT YEAH
SCUMREAD ME AND DO NOTHING ELSE
FUCKING AMAZING

Varsoon · Post Post #856 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:25 pm

In fact, Shoshin, you've got nearly double the posts I do.

Explain to me what you've done this game.
Give me your reads that 'get us closer to finding scum'.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #857 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:30 pm

In post 849, Shoshin wrote:Oh, I don't know who a consensus scumread is, or if there is one, but I do know that I'm town and that I'm a consensus townread.

That helps but not as much. I ask for scumreads because I can actually parse those better, as even with being consensus there may still be issues, while I’d it’s a consensus townreads it’s prolly right so there isn’t much for me to do.

Shoshin · Post Post #858 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:41 pm

Well, take a look at Varsoon.

Shoshin · Post Post #859 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:44 pm

@Varsoon

If you're town, who are the scum?

Shoshin · Post Post #860 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:46 pm

Can you link most recent town and scum games for me?

Creature · Post Post #861 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:09 pm

Okay, tomorrow I do stuff

Varsoon · Post Post #862 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:16 pm

In post 858, Shoshin wrote:Well, take a look at Varsoon.

I'm town, buckaroo.
Try again.

I was a part of the town victory in Yume's Cutsie U-Pick. Radiant Cowbells replaced out of that game, too, and we mislynched the slot D2: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=72865
I was scum in Civ 5. I played like shit and we lost: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75314

I also played in some very oddball games like Echo Bay Grits CEO (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76118) and Worst Game Ever Run (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=75352).

Varsoon · Post Post #863 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:17 pm

Actually, more accurately, RC was force-replaced.
So that's two for two that I'm town and RC gets forced out of a game I'm in.
Hm. I still don't think RC's slot is town in this game, though.

Varsoon · Post Post #864 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:21 pm

I actually was pretty responsible for that town win and for that scum loss, so you can see directly how my play (both mechanically and rhetorically, because I was offed super early in the scum game) had direct impacts on the game.

Varsoon · Post Post #865 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:26 pm

Also worth noting:
I played WAY MORE close to my chest in that Yume Cutsie game because I knew my role was very potentially busted and I needed to survive in order to confirm a strong towncore in order to maximize our chances of success.
It's safe to say that I don't have a role in this game that can confirm multiple players as town, so I've been a lot more straightforward.

Gammagooey · Post Post #866 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:30 pm

SirCakez wrote:
826 reads quite fake. Like a big content dump to try to stave off the forming wagon.

It is a big content dump and I'm aware that there are a few people voting me

I can't really point out anything new Porkens has been doing as my strongest scumread because he's done literally nothing that suggests he's even trying to scumhunt, I haven't been around for the most part since friday, and I don't think most people in the game had a decent understanding of where my reads were at prior to basically now, what do you think I'd be doing instead here?

Like from your iso it looks like the entire reason you changed from Porkens to me was because I didn't show up and town it up while I was V/LA which seems a little silly

@Varsoon - what's your strongest scumread aside from RC atm?

Shoshin · Post Post #867 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:30 pm

Anyone ever see RC replace out of a game as scum? I'd be willing to bet it happens a lot more often as town than scum.

Shoshin · Post Post #868 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:32 pm

Do you have a scum game that isn't multi?

Shoshin · Post Post #869 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:32 pm

More game links would be helpful. I also don't want your commentary, please don't provide.

xyzzy · Post Post #870 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:40 pm

this is xyzzy, your moderator, your best friend, and your tired friend. I am ready for a nap!

votecount 1.184 players voting for Gamma Emerald (xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx, Varsoon, Porkens)
3 players voting for Varsoon (Shoshin, Kokichi Oma, Nosferatu)
3 players voting for Gammagooey (skitter30, SirCakez, Irrelephant11)
2 players voting for Porkens (Gammagooey, Creature)
1 player voting for Irrelephant11 (northsidegal)
1 player voting for xRECKONERx (Gamma Emerald)

0 players not voting for lynch

with 14 votes, it takes 8 to lynch.

4 players voting for Shoshin for Fantasy Gachapon (Irrelephant11, Gammagooey, skitter30, Gamma Emerald)
2 players voting for xRECKONERx for Fantasy Gachapon (Varsoon, xRECKONERx)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma for Fantasy Gachapon (Kokichi Oma)
1 player voting for Gamma Emerald for Fantasy Gachapon (Shoshin)

5 players not voting for Fantasy Gachapon (northsidegal, Porkens, Nosferatu, Creature, SirCakez)

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-09-24 17:00:00).

mod notes: northsidegal has been prodded.

ISO · Post Post #871 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:43 pm

In post 850, Varsoon wrote:
In post 842, Shoshin wrote: Misunderstanding? No. Varsoon is scum who got caught early and now is trying to make up for it with lots of meanignless activity that hasn't actually got us any closer to finding scum and none of which actually contains anything towny. His ISO is empty of meaningful scumhunting.

So what should a townie you've decided is scum do?
Roll over and go, "Fuck this game"?
I'm not RC.

Varsoon is right on this. I've been in this situation before and being scumread even more for trying to keep playing by people tunneled on me as town is incredibly frustrating and p much Varsoon's posts are expressing that.

In post 866, Gammagooey wrote:
SirCakez wrote:
826 reads quite fake. Like a big content dump to try to stave off the forming wagon.
It is a big content dump and I'm aware that there are a few people voting me

I can't really point out anything new Porkens has been doing as my strongest scumread because he's done literally nothing that suggests he's even trying to scumhunt, I haven't been around for the most part since friday, and I don't think most people in the game had a decent understanding of where my reads were at prior to basically now, what do you think I'd be doing instead here?

Like from your iso it looks like the entire reason you changed from Porkens to me was because I didn't show up and town it up while I was V/LA which seems a little silly

@Varsoon - what's your strongest scumread aside from RC atm?

There was more reasoning than that. Look at the case RC made on you.

skitter30 · Post Post #872 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:50 pm

gamma g, 826 still has that like hollow feel to it.

i don't really understand why you're scumreading porkens; he had like one post that i scumread but the rest of it is kinda wtf-y but i see no scum agenda or motivation for it; like i'm not sure why being completely out of the game is more likely to come from scum than town. the i glanced at his iso in hte transformers game and he at least had some cursory scumreads and was following along (he was scum there)

also he was the biggest wagon with five votes a few hundred posts back so i'm not sure where you're getting the 'people are fine calling him scum but not voting him' bit from; he really feels like lynchbait to me tbh

In post 826, Gammagooey wrote:if RC flips town I think he's borderline locktown.

this is pinging me and i'm putting this here so i remember to look at this later after we get some flips (partners?)

also i'm a little confused because you say varsoon is prob only scum with rc but you don't want to read the game that way since it's day1 but you say sircakez is 'Cakez is my next biggest scumread after Porkens, but it's mostly gut and how he's played around Porkens' which looks to me at least partially like an svs associative based read too? can you elaborate on cakez please? and you're also calling kokichi town for interactions with porkens?

(also i'm a she btw)

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i can't tell the difference between town!disengaged!creature and scum!creature so idk how to read him right now

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i'm basically ignoring the fact that rc was ever a player in this game and will be reading the slot based on gamma; his posting thus far strikes me as slightly town tonally

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varsoon, this might be a weird question, but how well do you remember games you played six months ago? like are you the sort of player who remembers details of things they pushed in games gone by?

still think varsoon is town tbh

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In post 867, Shoshin wrote:Anyone ever see RC replace out of a game as scum? I'd be willing to bet it happens a lot more often as town than scum.

i think so but i don't remember which game and i'd have to go looking for it; it could be i'm mistaken because this didn't happen in any game i was actually in with him and it's possible i'm remembering incorrectly

Varsoon · Post Post #873 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:01 pm

In post 866, Gammagooey wrote: @Varsoon - what's your strongest scumread aside from RC atm?

Kokichi, then Irrelephant, who's on par out of whoever the scum is between Nos, NSG, and Cakez. If I had to take a blind shot in that last pool, I'd shoot NSG.

Varsoon · Post Post #874 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:11 pm

In post 869, Shoshin wrote:More game links would be helpful. I also don't want your commentary, please don't provide.

If you just want to see games I've been in, you can go to my profile and browse all my topics. I don't post at all on the social side of the site.

Anyway.
Behind the Mask: Town, Town Win.
Gunner Mafia: Town, Town Win.
Rocky Horror Picture Show: Town, Game Abandoned.
Just Play the Hits: Town, Scum Win.
House in the Woods: Town, Won with Non-Town.
Tarot U-Pick: Scum, Town Win.
Paint Mania: Scum, Other Scum Win.
Maplewood Village: Town, Town Win.

Everything after those is more than a year old.
Damn, haven't won as scum in over a year.
I do suck at this game.