Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[Creature]

Korina has like made it pretty clear she was town that game

while I can't tell it here

[the worst]

Huh weird.... I'm getting pretty similar energy (except like I kinda feel like he was tryna play more professional as Vex). Just like, lower postcount. What struck you as super towny from him in Stack the Deck that he's missing here?

[Creature]

I think he lacks energy

[the worst]

yeah.. beyond the v/la thing to you think he's actually vibed like low gamesolving energy and stuff? or just v/la?

[Creature]

Well I hate sorting V/LAs

[the worst]

Work on another slot? It's sitting in the back of my mind too, but kinda like his contributions so far have been good and his v/la is finite

it's not like tryna sort assembler or something, if we need Korina to spew content and he's still v/la he'll probably be able to sort out a time later I guess

@DrJ

Kor pls confirm
LCP do you guys discord or anything to keep in touch?

[Irrelephant11]

TW and Irrelephant - do you town read eachother as highly as eachother?

I have the feeling Relly townreads me more than I townread Relly but I'm.... comfortable.

this is probably true, which is why I'm fine sheeping his reads some
The fact that everyone is townreading tw, basically, gives me some paranoia feels (as does another secret reason I'm feeling paranoid) but I still think he's probably right that he's outside his scum range (~2/3 of my towngames end up staying within my scum range, so I don't blame him for not feeling the same)

I find it off though that he’d use a non-personal way of talking to them here though.

I think this is more of a tonal thing than anything AI. When I'm talking to someone who's online, I usually talk to them. When I'm talking to someone who hasn't been around in awhile, I'm more likely to talk about them

VOTE: keyser

I don’t remember you saying much about keyser, can you link me to your read on him (if you wrote one)?

ISO me and ctrl+F Keyser. It was a progression from feeling like tw/keyser interactions felt not-tvt -> coming around to a townread on tw -> voting keyser. Also, my vote does not always reside on my strongest scumread. It usually ends the day on my strongest scumread (or the compromise lynch), but I use my vote in lots of ways for sorting.
You seem more impersonal/rigid/not sure what the word is in your recent posts... trying to decide if that's AI

They exist

okay maybe I just can't read your tone

P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong TR, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town

VOTE: eragon

Elaborate please (or quote the read cuz your posts are long and I might have missed it xd )

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I disagree with most of it, but I think volx’s read on eragon was good

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And sorry, that’s just a catchup, I got back like 2 hours ago, so I haven’t been able to do anything yet
Going to sleep rn, but I will 100% have time to work on my reads tomorrow
Sry for that

1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum? Do you think using heaven lynches to sort is a good strategy in this setup?
2 - I haven not yet laid out a case on eragon, because I wanted to see his reaction first. But the short version is that it came from his read on creature - it feels like he's too sure creature is town, which had me paranoid that eragon was TMI-ing bad!town!creature. I also don't think eragon is outside his scum meta so far, and though I understand his being busy, I feel like scum give excuses for being busy more often than town (who will show up when they show up, whatever)
Kinda dependent on TReading creature which idk if I do but I wanted to see what might happen

836
-I was telling Keyser that he does indeed know that sheeping players I think are town is town indicative for me
-I asked you to vote Keyser to test a partner theory, but I got bored and moved on before it went anywhere
-See above for my vote on you
-Don't love you shading volxen by saying I'm townreading him too strongly without giving any reason why

837
-I asked Keyser if he is scum as a joke
-Keyser's comment about creature that you're calling OTT is obviously meant to be funny?
-trying to decide if *lack of awareness of humorous intent* is AI for eragon (I remember it happening a couple times in our last game, too) - maybe sometime I'll have the time to meta research this

[Irrelephant11]

DrJ what is your read on eragon?
eragon what is your read on keyser?
keyser what is your read on DrJ?

creature do you have any solid reads yet

[Creature]

creature do you have any solid reads yet

the worst town

that's about it

[Creature]

I've been reconsidering my other reads lately

[Keyser Söze]

keyser what is your read on DrJ?

Think it was: 'town lean, but it makes me feel dirty'


I really wanted to look at Lefty today :/ TW said he was town but I did not feel it for the short time he was with us.

May look at Dr J and Eragon instead and figure out a PoE. Cos right now it kinda feels like I'm onboard the Orient Express.

[Keyser Söze]

1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum?

tbh, if Volxen did flip scum in heaven I would look at you (you are a type of scum-player to white-knight his scum teammates to high heaven and not bus)

[Keyser Söze]

Digging up DrJ's ISO... if anyone has time do the same.

[Irrelephant11]

I don't this second, but you start and I'll catch up soon

[Irrelephant11]

also agree that lefty's replacement is a high priority sort
it would be nice/easier if that slot was scum

[Keyser Söze]

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde re-read

Gonna try pick out only meaningful items that still bear a ring of truth to me.


(Part 1 of 2?)

"I would see it more as him trying to pocket us"

Yup, some good ol' town paranoia here from Dr J.

"This sounds like you are trying to get out of RVS / shitpost stage. That would give me a slight town inclination on you."

Rings slightly LAMISt-y. Easy town points given out IMO. Scum also have motivation to appear serious too during RVS to appear town...

My head's going round in circles with post #92 regarding their thoughts on Carmen and LabRat. Dr J then asks half a dozen of semi-to-low game solving questions.

"Derp-clears are easy to fake, and shouldn't be used as the basis for a TR IMO."

Dr J is pretty firm with their stance here... but maybe too game theory related to get me excited about.

"I'm town-soulreading his activity, however, I'm scum-reading his content."

Ok, this may eloquently explain Dr J's infatuation with LabRat then. I was intrigued by the associations between these two slots during RVS too.

"because I'm seeing it as you're pretty sure that Carmen is actually scum"

Dr J suspected a Carmen-Labrat scum team. Noted. Overlooked this post (probs coz I couldn't get my head around post #92.)

"HOLD ON, WAIT A FUCKING MOMENT: Why the fuck is Irrel allowed to make a joke about them being scum, and have it be dismissed as RVS, yet Carmen can do the same exact thing, during RVS, and yet gets called out for being scummy on it?"

Hmmm.. calling out LabRat for contradicting himself/being hypocritical is slightly LAMIST-y

Dr J's suspicions is quite intense here. Wondering how they unvote here.

[Keyser Söze]

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde re-read

(Part 2 of 2)

"How would Keyser know that unless he's scum?"

It appears Dr J takes things literally... or misses the tone of posts. Is this a cute thing to town read...? @Irrelephant11, or NAI?

"I could see this as scum trying to prolong RVS, try and appear to be there while not contributing, etc."

More LAMIST-y (?) but from LCL this time.

"Have you a case behind this? Or just waiting for the sake of it?!"
This is a weird over-reaction (?)

I feel like scum tends to be more cautious with their votes. I definitely am like that a lot. So this feels scummy.

VOTE: Keyser

N.b. if Korina voted anyone by page 9 I will revote not to disturb his scumhunting

Did LCL need to put that "N.b." after his vote to cover his ass'? (which I personally hated). His momentum needed to stay with LabRat IMO. He does unvote later...

"I'd probably call it an attempt to buddy me, given I know him from back then, and am possibly likely to respond by TRing him."

This self reflection looks good on him.

"Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon"

Half the playerlist weren't even actively posting - I don't think we can draw that clear RVS conclusion here.

"he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic"

I would sheep that sentiment about TW though.

"I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me,"

That was bugging me, so I'm glad it bugged Dr J too.

Consolidated case (post #398) on LabRat - better now than I first first.

"Come join me on him. That means scum has to get their entire team into heaven making it much more difficult for them to win"

"It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure"

Some nice confidence shown here on their new zealous scum read of Creature

"good reply, will read in detail later tonight, but I'll bump you farther down the scum list"

"All that being said I definitely feel much less like you are scum. Your reaction here to my post feels very town"

@Dr J , PLease can we see the detail and reasons for this, the whys and hows.

Gonna have to put together some conclusions now...

[Keyser Söze]

Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon"
Half the playerlist weren't even actively posting - I don't think we can draw that clear RVS conclusion here.

“clear VCA conclusion here”

[Keyser Söze]

You there Irrelephant11?

[Irrelephant11]

yeah sorry, RL getting in my way

[Keyser Söze]

Want to talk about my concerns.

If you feel me..I mean FILL me with enough confidence and peace of mind over these 2 items, I’d be happy to send Dr J to heaven



What’s the possibility of:

1 DrJ imitating their LAMIST-y output to pad out their active questioning? (Scum motivation? To be town read via meta)

2 is it coincidence or scum pt agenda, that their two main passionate pushes (LabRat and Creature) have reflected the in-game focus too? Notice the two campaigns /scum reads never overlapped. The timing... the support... the tunnel vision...

[Irrelephant11]

okay yes, let's talk, will focus on this for a few minutes

LAMIST as a self-meta-replicating strategy is possible but maybe unlikely, given I seemed to surprise Korina by describing their play that way? I'll concede that it's probably closer to NAI/townlean than *strongly* town indicative, given I'm not that familiar with scum!Korina or the other head

I'd have to do a deeper dive to remember if DrJ's pushes led or followed the crowd on labrat - do you know offhand from re-reading? Definitely some element of sheeping tw on Creature, I think

[Irrelephant11]

Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor

actually seems like DrJ was "onto" creature in the first five pages

What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)

actually yeah I'm not seeing what you're seeing re:tunnel vision

What about DrJ's play feels tunnel vision-y?

[Keyser Söze]

I think DR J may have even started both, but knowing scum have day chat and know when to add momentum or when to spark a new wagon I wouldn’t read too much into that.

[Irrelephant11]

....

I'll just let you post conclusions and we can go from there