Micro 857: Burden of Proficiency Mafia

[Enter]

ok so if scum are lynched day 1 they lose

therefore it is playing against wincon for scum to vote themselves

therefore the player voted and the only player not voting for the lynched player are scum

therefore if we lynch scum day one paragons and town both win

right?

[Saudade]

I've no idea I dont read the game mechanics

[Michael Scott]

Correct, assuming optimal play.

[Saudade]

is there even a reason why rc townreads this robot tone to begin with

[Michael Scott]

Tonally I don't see a difference from her other games, Saudade.

[Saudade]

well if I'd know who she is I might be able to relate

[Saudade]

I dont think that'll change my mind though

[Saudade]

not that i'll read anyones previous games anyway

[Enter]

Michael scott, do you think Shoshin is scum?

[Enter]

also do you think rc is town

[Michael Scott]

Correct.

There's one possibility where Shoshin is actually town from my expectations of her, but I'm not revealing it at this stage.

[Enter]

you should push this game as solved, then

[Enter]

i think you just poe'd yourself into scum, there

[Michael Scott]

How?

[Michael Scott]

You do realize that if I begin to townread Shoshin I'll be re-evaluating RC/Saudade, right?

[Enter]

ok so from MS perspective MS is town, saude cannot be partners w/ shoshin due to latest push, MS just said urap cannot be scum w/ shoshin or RC

so either he thinks it's shoshin/rc, or he must be scum by poe

[Michael Scott]

Quote me saying URAP can't be scum with Shoshin/RC.

[Saudade]

scumhunting by partner associations is so stupid

you'll never be on solid ground



scumhunt for maf induvidually and then when the time comes to guess the team reread the game altogether and solve it

[Saudade]

like you'll never be on solid ground with any kind of competent scum team

[Enter]

like you'll never be on solid ground with any kind of competent scum team

not in a game where scum are allowed to bus each other, no

[Enter]

From my perspective, at least one of the active posters - {RC, URAP2, Shoshin} has to be scum. I've played with URAP2 as town once in the past, and I don't recall any games with the other two outside of alts.

Considering for a moment that Saudade is town, this would imply two scum within {RC, URAP, Shoshin} - so I reasoned that if I can eliminate SvS pairs within the tuple, I can safely conclude that Saudade is scum, regardless of who the other scum within the tuple is.

There are only three possible SvS pairs: URAP+RC, URAP+Shoshin, RC+Shoshin. Of these, from my knowledge of the slots and also the current gamestate, it seems like I can go about eliminating the first two pairs first - reasoning being that if URAP was scum with one of them, the other would be competent enough to recognize URAP as scum. Thus, if both slots townread URAP, it's likely that URAP isn't scum. I want to follow this up with my own read of URAP - his play does remind me of SC2 where he was town, but I have to read up scumgames of his. I'm yet to scrutinize his play within this game alone. This is why I asked about your confidence in the townread.

Eliminating the pairs with URAP in them leaves RC+Shoshin as the remaining possible pair if Saudade is town, and is my primary interest in evaluating this game. ATM from my skim of the game so far I'm leaning against it - the primary indicator of it is right in the start, where Shoshin called RC obvscum and RC seems to have "misinterpreted" it. Theater also feels unnecessary in the case they're both scum as far as I can judge - but I'll re-read and refine my thoughts there.

If I can eliminate this pairing as well, I'll be confident enough from PoE that Saudade is scum.

Pedit: Shoshin, I'll check it out. I skimmed the game.

[Enter]

especially

URAP+RC, URAP+Shoshin, RC+Shoshin. Of these, from my knowledge of the slots and also the current gamestate, it seems like I can go about eliminating the first two pairs first - reasoning being that if URAP was scum with one of them, the other would be competent enough to recognize URAP as scum. Thus, if both slots townread URAP, it's likely that URAP isn't scum.

[Michael Scott]

That post was AGES ago and I re-evaluated after that.
Saying "MS just said that" is disingenuous.

[Enter]

I haven't excluded any pair 100%

I'm reliant on you recognizing URAP scum if they're a scumpair - I've yet to form a read on URAP as well, which I'll do in due time.

p sure rc thinks shoshin is town and isn't scumreading urap atm

tho he did cast some shade his way earlier

[Enter]

i didn't say you JUST SAID THAT

i said you just poe'd yourself into scum

i really don't see how your thought process changes