Newbie 2027 | Doggos | Town Win

[EchoVision]

i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today

plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly

but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive

[Frogsterking]

now the thing is...

did plus know that?

GODDAMNIT I WAS BOUT TO SAY THIS PROVES PLUS IS INNOCENT THEN A WILD JELLYFISH RUINED THE MOMENT >:(

I am not enjoying your holier-than-thou communication style where you are judging me for hammering when you haven't cast a single vote yourself, apparently? I am not a fan.

Pedit: how am I the better vote than Shelly right here?

"haven't cast a single vote"
have you not read thru the whole thing? I took my vote off of 72 and didn't choose shelly or plus. I will not vote for shelly or plus bc I TR them

sorry: my brain read this as you saying that you hadn't voted, that was my bad:

me? no I never voted plus ... ever

I did put thought into it. Either JOY or Shelly is scum. They have conflicting claims. One of them has to be scum. I'm not sheeping the town's opinion. I read through the whole thread, am I not allowed to have opinions?

I picked between them who I believed more. I believed Shelly more. I'm confused by your FoS.

I was going to vote for one of them. One of them is a PR and one of them is scum. I am okay if we lose a power role to lim a scum. That isn't scum-indicative.

I'm getting a little defensive and I don't need to be, because my actions speak for themselves.

Noraa, you are reminding me of ShellyC, and not in a good way.

I believe part of the conflict here is that Noraa thinks both PLUS and shelly are town, hence her read on you makes sense from that perspective.

[Noraa]

Oh actually I did find a really old game where I was CL in a large theme game. But that was 5 years ago when I was a senior in high school

don't tell us that otherwise u won't have pure townie energy >:(

[Redados]

Yeah. Shelly and Plus can't both be town. I understand that you would be suspicious of me Nora if you thought that, but I just don't see it as possible.

[Noraa]

idc I think u hop on wagons fast. dw if ur scum, I will dig u out soon enough. u've got my attention redados congrats no one else has successfully gotten it this fast.

[Frogsterking]

i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today

plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly

but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive

Yes, if plus is scum and we're in A1 then mafia will have a roleblocker, so they will be able to block shelly and kill the nominee. Or, block plus, so the nominee doesn't get confirmation.

One benefit of lynching outside of plus/shelly is that we imght be able to hit the scum roleblocker/role fisher, assuming shelly would counterclaim as the goon instead of the fisher, which is maybe an assumption we can't make.

[Noraa]

i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today

plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly

but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive

yeah I don't see how ur gonna be able to pick anyone and keep them alive cuz fn can only exist with town keeper and tracker or whatever those two roles are

[Frogsterking]

i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today

plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly

but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive

Yes, if plus is scum and we're in A1 then mafia will have a roleblocker, so they will be able to block shelly and kill the nominee. Or, block plus, so the nominee doesn't get confirmation.

One benefit of lynching outside of plus/shelly is that we imght be able to hit the scum roleblocker/role fisher, assuming shelly would counterclaim as the goon instead of the fisher, which is maybe an assumption we can't make.

PLUS actually can't get blocked, there's no setup with a roleblocker and a TFN.

[Noraa]

i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today

plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly

but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive

Yes, if plus is scum and we're in A1 then mafia will have a roleblocker, so they will be able to block shelly and kill the nominee. Or, block plus, so the nominee doesn't get confirmation.

One benefit of lynching outside of plus/shelly is that we imght be able to hit the scum roleblocker/role fisher, assuming shelly would counterclaim as the goon instead of the fisher, which is maybe an assumption we can't make.

ok im lost already there's too many ifs. i think we all have some more time like 1 1/2 days left. lets just wait to hear what shelly has to say, what plus has to say, and see what we can get out of it. I am convinced they r both town and scums r just watching this fight go down like ha lets see how many innocent townies we can get these fools to eliminate. But I have a tr on frog and echo. So I think the most sus person rn is redados. he hammered the day he replaced in right after frog said anyone that hammers, he will tr. This is a scumtell imo

[Redados]

Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: List of Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

I'll go through each of the possible scenarios for you, Noraa.

A1: Cop and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth

A2: Jailkeeper and Tracker
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

A3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

B1: Tracker and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying

B2: Jailkeeper and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying

B3: Tracker and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth

C1: Cop
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

C2: Jailkeeper
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

C3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

Noraa, assuming that you are a vanilla townie, which set ups do you think we could be in? Which of these setups allows both of them to be town?

[PlusJOYED]

Oh I found one were I was a mafia goon (ravenmocker98) if you really insist on meta. It's kinda cringe though so sorry for that (I was in high school, and I think most of us in that thread were pretty young): https://hypixel.net/threads/game-over-m ... ia.487686/

Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.

[Redados]

Assuming that either Shelly or PlusJoy is telling the truth, we have to be in A1, B1, B2, or B3. There's no scenario which lets it be possible that both of them are being truthful.

[Noraa]

Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: List of Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

I'll go through each of the possible scenarios for you, Noraa.

A1: Cop and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth

A2: Jailkeeper and Tracker
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

A3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

B1: Tracker and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying

B2: Jailkeeper and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying

B3: Tracker and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth

C1: Cop
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

C2: Jailkeeper
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

C3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying

Noraa, assuming that you are a vanilla townie, which set ups do you think we could be in? Which of these setups allows both of them to be town?

Your telling me that lying automatically mean your scum. This logic doesn't make any sense. I just played in two marathon games and I didn't tell the truth about my roles in one of them. Did that mean I was scum? hell no I was town cop

[PlusJOYED]

that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role

[Noraa]

Idc if shelly is lying to try to eliminate plus or if plus is lying bc he doesn't wanna get eliminated. My point is THEY ARE TOWN and I strongly believe in this

[Redados]

Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.

If you get jailed and mafia attacks you, we'll know because there will be no night kill. That would be a success.

Try and target someone who is in the middle of your scum-town spectrum. If scum knows this and tries to aim their nightkill in a similar way because they know that you're going to target in this way, that helps us as a whole because it leaves more universally townread people in the game.

If you use your role on scum, and scum lies and gets you mislimmed, then we lim the scum.

Realistically, if you're the town friendly neighbor, you're going to get nightkilled. If not tonight, another night. But you taking the fall like that is helping less obviously town-read people get nightkilled, which helps the town as a whole. So it could be worse!

[Noraa]

that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role

Bruh I feel like vt wouldn't wanna say they r vanilla town bc 1)it helps scum narrow down choices for pr 2)town might eliminate u anyways bc they think ur sketch so they r thinking eh we either r limming a vt or a scum
And according to people like Redados, trading a pr for a scum is ok so killing off a vt that u think is scum I'm 100% sure is ok by these standards

[Redados]

Your telling me that lying automatically mean your scum. This logic doesn't make any sense. I just played in two marathon games and I didn't tell the truth about my roles in one of them. Did that mean I was scum? hell no I was town cop

Yes, here I'm assuming that lying means that you are scum.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

It is incredibly anti-town to fake claim a power role as town. Incredibly anti-town. The only time I can think of that ever working is in a particular gambit or something but that seems very risky and most likely to hurt the town. I think that it is a big reach to assume that this is the case in this situation.

[Noraa]

Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.

If you get jailed and mafia attacks you, we'll know because there will be no night kill. That would be a success.

Try and target someone who is in the middle of your scum-town spectrum. If scum knows this and tries to aim their nightkill in a similar way because they know that you're going to target in this way, that helps us as a whole because it leaves more universally townread people in the game.

If you use your role on scum, and scum lies and gets you mislimmed, then we lim the scum.

Realistically, if you're the town friendly neighbor, you're going to get nightkilled. If not tonight, another night. But you taking the fall like that is helping less obviously town-read people get nightkilled, which helps the town as a whole. So it could be worse!

Telling everyone the plan isn't gonna help anything. its just gonna give scum a heads up

[Noraa]

I can't believe shelly would sac in that situation.

I agree. Almost feels like a vendetta against me or some shit cause it doesn't make sense.

hm just went back a few pages. this post caught my attention. not too great to assume people hold grudges against you throughout games(they would have to be real petty for that to happen imo) unless u were super rude or something. speaking of which have u been in a game with shelly before?

[Redados]

Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.

If you get jailed and mafia attacks you, we'll know because there will be no night kill. That would be a success.

Try and target someone who is in the middle of your scum-town spectrum.

If scum knows this and tries to aim their nightkill in a similar way because they know that you're going to target in this way, that helps us as a whole because it leaves more universally townread people in the game.

If you use your role on scum, and scum lies and gets you mislimmed, then we lim the scum.

Realistically, if you're the town friendly neighbor, you're going to get nightkilled. If not tonight, another night. But you taking the fall like that is helping less obviously town-read people get nightkilled, which helps the town as a whole. So it could be worse!

Telling everyone the plan isn't gonna help anything. its just gonna give scum a heads up

Bolded for emphasis

[Redados]

that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role

Bruh I feel like vt wouldn't wanna say they r vanilla town bc 1)it helps scum narrow down choices for pr 2)town might eliminate u anyways bc they think ur sketch so they r thinking eh we either r limming a vt or a scum
And according to people like Redados, trading a pr for a scum is ok so killing off a vt that u think is scum I'm 100% sure is ok by these standards

Your refusal to listen and adapt to new information is really bothering me.

[Noraa]

Your telling me that lying automatically mean your scum. This logic doesn't make any sense. I just played in two marathon games and I didn't tell the truth about my roles in one of them. Did that mean I was scum? hell no I was town cop

Yes, here I'm assuming that lying means that you are scum.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

It is incredibly anti-town to fake claim a power role as town. Incredibly anti-town. The only time I can think of that ever working is in a particular gambit or something but that seems very risky and most likely to hurt the town. I think that it is a big reach to assume that this is the case in this situation.

Again I don't think noobs think things thru. I literally claimed a 3p role in my marathon game as a town cop. u look at that and say wow she's stupid but I mean noobs don't know wtf they r doing. this is legit a point I've pushed so much this game. People kept saying plus was scum bc blah blah blah but noobies don't think of those things!

[EchoVision]

noraa stop being naïve, they’re not both town

[Noraa]

that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role

Bruh I feel like vt wouldn't wanna say they r vanilla town bc 1)it helps scum narrow down choices for pr 2)town might eliminate u anyways bc they think ur sketch so they r thinking eh we either r limming a vt or a scum
And according to people like Redados, trading a pr for a scum is ok so killing off a vt that u think is scum I'm 100% sure is ok by these standards

Your refusal to listen and adapt to new information is really bothering me.

your ability to be able to change your opinion based on majority vote that fast is quite stunning too. makes me think ur trying too hard to blend in with town scum!redado