GODDAMNIT I WAS BOUT TO SAY THIS PROVES PLUS IS INNOCENT THEN A WILD JELLYFISH RUINED THE MOMENT >:(
I am not enjoying your holier-than-thou communication style where you are judging me for hammering when you haven't cast a single vote yourself, apparently? I am not a fan.
Pedit: how am I the better vote than Shelly right here?
"haven't cast a single vote"
have you not read thru the whole thing? I took my vote off of 72 and didn't choose shelly or plus. I will not vote for shelly or plus bc I TR them
sorry: my brain read this as you saying that you hadn't voted, that was my bad:
I did put thought into it. Either JOY or Shelly is scum. They have conflicting claims. One of them has to be scum. I'm not sheeping the town's opinion. I read through the whole thread, am I not allowed to have opinions?
I picked between them who I believed more. I believed Shelly more. I'm confused by your FoS.
I was going to vote for one of them. One of them is a PR and one of them is scum. I am okay if we lose a power role to lim a scum. That isn't scum-indicative.
In post 835, Redados wrote:I'm getting a little defensive and I don't need to be, because my actions speak for themselves.
In post 836, Redados wrote:Noraa, you are reminding me of ShellyC, and not in a good way.
I believe part of the conflict here is that Noraa thinks both PLUS and shelly are town, hence her read on you makes sense from that perspective.
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:11 am
by Noraa
In post 848, PlusJOYED wrote:Oh actually I did find a really old game where I was CL in a large theme game. But that was 5 years ago when I was a senior in high school
don't tell us that otherwise u won't have pure townie energy >:(
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:12 am
by Redados
Yeah. Shelly and Plus can't both be town. I understand that you would be suspicious of me Nora if you thought that, but I just don't see it as possible.
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:14 am
by Noraa
idc I think u hop on wagons fast. dw if ur scum, I will dig u out soon enough. u've got my attention redados congrats no one else has successfully gotten it this fast.
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:15 am
by Frogsterking
In post 850, EchoVision wrote:i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today
plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly
but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive
Yes, if plus is scum and we're in A1 then mafia will have a roleblocker, so they will be able to block shelly and kill the nominee. Or, block plus, so the nominee doesn't get confirmation.
One benefit of lynching outside of plus/shelly is that we imght be able to hit the scum roleblocker/role fisher, assuming shelly would counterclaim as the goon instead of the fisher, which is maybe an assumption we can't make.
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:15 am
by Noraa
In post 850, EchoVision wrote:i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today
plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly
but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive
yeah I don't see how ur gonna be able to pick anyone and keep them alive cuz fn can only exist with town keeper and tracker or whatever those two roles are
In post 850, EchoVision wrote:i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today
plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly
but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive
Yes, if plus is scum and we're in A1 then mafia will have a roleblocker, so they will be able to block shelly and kill the nominee. Or, block plus, so the nominee doesn't get confirmation.
One benefit of lynching outside of plus/shelly is that we imght be able to hit the scum roleblocker/role fisher, assuming shelly would counterclaim as the goon instead of the fisher, which is maybe an assumption we can't make.
PLUS actually can't get blocked, there's no setup with a roleblocker and a TFN.
In post 850, EchoVision wrote:i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today
plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly
but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive
Yes, if plus is scum and we're in A1 then mafia will have a roleblocker, so they will be able to block shelly and kill the nominee. Or, block plus, so the nominee doesn't get confirmation.
One benefit of lynching outside of plus/shelly is that we imght be able to hit the scum roleblocker/role fisher, assuming shelly would counterclaim as the goon instead of the fisher, which is maybe an assumption we can't make.
ok im lost already there's too many ifs. i think we all have some more time like 1 1/2 days left. lets just wait to hear what shelly has to say, what plus has to say, and see what we can get out of it. I am convinced they r both town and scums r just watching this fight go down like ha lets see how many innocent townies we can get these fools to eliminate. But I have a tr on frog and echo. So I think the most sus person rn is redados. he hammered the day he replaced in right after frog said anyone that hammers, he will tr. This is a scumtell imo
Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by
Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.
Spoiler: List of Setups
Column A & Row 1:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column A & Row 2:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column A & Row 3:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 1:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 2:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 3:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column C & Row 1:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6
Column C & Row 2:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6
Column C & Row 3:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5
Spoiler: Sample Role PM's
I'll go through each of the possible scenarios for you, Noraa.
A1: Cop and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth
A2: Jailkeeper and Tracker
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
A3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
B1: Tracker and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying
B2: Jailkeeper and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying
B3: Tracker and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth
C1: Cop
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
C2: Jailkeeper
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
C3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
Noraa, assuming that you are a vanilla townie, which set ups do you think we could be in? Which of these setups allows both of them to be town?
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:21 am
by PlusJOYED
Oh I found one were I was a mafia goon (ravenmocker98) if you really insist on meta. It's kinda cringe though so sorry for that (I was in high school, and I think most of us in that thread were pretty young): https://hypixel.net/threads/game-over-m ... ia.487686/
Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:22 am
by Redados
Assuming that either Shelly or PlusJoy is telling the truth, we have to be in A1, B1, B2, or B3. There's no scenario which lets it be possible that both of them are being truthful.
Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by
Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.
Spoiler: List of Setups
Column A & Row 1:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column A & Row 2:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column A & Row 3:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 1:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 2:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 3:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column C & Row 1:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6
Column C & Row 2:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6
Column C & Row 3:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5
Spoiler: Sample Role PM's
I'll go through each of the possible scenarios for you, Noraa.
A1: Cop and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth
A2: Jailkeeper and Tracker
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
A3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
B1: Tracker and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying
B2: Jailkeeper and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying
B3: Tracker and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth
C1: Cop
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
C2: Jailkeeper
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
C3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
Noraa, assuming that you are a vanilla townie, which set ups do you think we could be in? Which of these setups allows both of them to be town?
Your telling me that lying automatically mean your scum. This logic doesn't make any sense. I just played in two marathon games and I didn't tell the truth about my roles in one of them. Did that mean I was scum? hell no I was town cop
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:25 am
by PlusJOYED
that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:26 am
by Noraa
Idc if shelly is lying to try to eliminate plus or if plus is lying bc he doesn't wanna get eliminated. My point is THEY ARE TOWN and I strongly believe in this
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:27 am
by Redados
In post 860, PlusJOYED wrote:Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.
If you get jailed and mafia attacks you, we'll know because there will be no night kill. That would be a success.
Try and target someone who is in the middle of your scum-town spectrum. If scum knows this and tries to aim their nightkill in a similar way because they know that you're going to target in this way, that helps us as a whole because it leaves more universally townread people in the game.
If you use your role on scum, and scum lies and gets you mislimmed, then we lim the scum.
Realistically, if you're the town friendly neighbor, you're going to get nightkilled. If not tonight, another night. But you taking the fall like that is helping less obviously town-read people get nightkilled, which helps the town as a whole. So it could be worse!
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:29 am
by Noraa
In post 863, PlusJOYED wrote:that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role
Bruh I feel like vt wouldn't wanna say they r vanilla town bc 1)it helps scum narrow down choices for pr 2)town might eliminate u anyways bc they think ur sketch so they r thinking eh we either r limming a vt or a scum
And according to people like Redados, trading a pr for a scum is ok so killing off a vt that u think is scum I'm 100% sure is ok by these standards
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:30 am
by Redados
In post 862, Noraa wrote:Your telling me that lying automatically mean your scum. This logic doesn't make any sense. I just played in two marathon games and I didn't tell the truth about my roles in one of them. Did that mean I was scum? hell no I was town cop
Yes, here I'm assuming that lying means that you are scum.
It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.
Do not fake claim a power role as town!
While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.
It is incredibly anti-town to fake claim a power role as town. Incredibly anti-town. The only time I can think of that ever working is in a particular gambit or something but that seems very risky and most likely to hurt the town. I think that it is a big reach to assume that this is the case in this situation.
In post 860, PlusJOYED wrote:Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.
If you get jailed and mafia attacks you, we'll know because there will be no night kill. That would be a success.
Try and target someone who is in the middle of your scum-town spectrum. If scum knows this and tries to aim their nightkill in a similar way because they know that you're going to target in this way, that helps us as a whole because it leaves more universally townread people in the game.
If you use your role on scum, and scum lies and gets you mislimmed, then we lim the scum.
Realistically, if you're the town friendly neighbor, you're going to get nightkilled. If not tonight, another night. But you taking the fall like that is helping less obviously town-read people get nightkilled, which helps the town as a whole. So it could be worse!
Telling everyone the plan isn't gonna help anything. its just gonna give scum a heads up
I agree. Almost feels like a vendetta against me or some shit cause it doesn't make sense.
hm just went back a few pages. this post caught my attention. not too great to assume people hold grudges against you throughout games(they would have to be real petty for that to happen imo) unless u were super rude or something. speaking of which have u been in a game with shelly before?
In post 860, PlusJOYED wrote:Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.
If you get jailed and mafia attacks you, we'll know because there will be no night kill. That would be a success.
Try and target someone who is in the middle of your scum-town spectrum.
If scum knows this and tries to aim their nightkill in a similar way because they know that you're going to target in this way, that helps us as a whole because it leaves more universally townread people in the game.
If you use your role on scum, and scum lies and gets you mislimmed, then we lim the scum.
Realistically, if you're the town friendly neighbor, you're going to get nightkilled. If not tonight, another night. But you taking the fall like that is helping less obviously town-read people get nightkilled, which helps the town as a whole. So it could be worse!
Telling everyone the plan isn't gonna help anything. its just gonna give scum a heads up
In post 863, PlusJOYED wrote:that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role
Bruh I feel like vt wouldn't wanna say they r vanilla town bc 1)it helps scum narrow down choices for pr 2)town might eliminate u anyways bc they think ur sketch so they r thinking eh we either r limming a vt or a scum
And according to people like Redados, trading a pr for a scum is ok so killing off a vt that u think is scum I'm 100% sure is ok by these standards
Your refusal to listen and adapt to new information is really bothering me.
In post 862, Noraa wrote:Your telling me that lying automatically mean your scum. This logic doesn't make any sense. I just played in two marathon games and I didn't tell the truth about my roles in one of them. Did that mean I was scum? hell no I was town cop
Yes, here I'm assuming that lying means that you are scum.
It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.
Do not fake claim a power role as town!
While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.
It is incredibly anti-town to fake claim a power role as town. Incredibly anti-town. The only time I can think of that ever working is in a particular gambit or something but that seems very risky and most likely to hurt the town. I think that it is a big reach to assume that this is the case in this situation.
Again I don't think noobs think things thru. I literally claimed a 3p role in my marathon game as a town cop. u look at that and say wow she's stupid but I mean noobs don't know wtf they r doing. this is legit a point I've pushed so much this game. People kept saying plus was scum bc blah blah blah but noobies don't think of those things!
In post 863, PlusJOYED wrote:that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role
Bruh I feel like vt wouldn't wanna say they r vanilla town bc 1)it helps scum narrow down choices for pr 2)town might eliminate u anyways bc they think ur sketch so they r thinking eh we either r limming a vt or a scum
And according to people like Redados, trading a pr for a scum is ok so killing off a vt that u think is scum I'm 100% sure is ok by these standards
Your refusal to listen and adapt to new information is really bothering me.
your ability to be able to change your opinion based on majority vote that fast is quite stunning too. makes me think ur trying too hard to blend in with town scum!redado
