Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Cabd]

my feeling on jake is he's probably going to get himself yeeted at some point this game and i have no idea which way he'll flip

I specifically joined a Large game to avoid getting executed first.

Is there a reason that you're so unwilling to put in heavy lifting, then?

[Tammy]

So, Diamond Sentinel is there a particular reason you're not interacting with or questioning the people you suspect? Why just spit names in the ether?

[Jake The Wolfie]

my feeling on jake is he's probably going to get himself yeeted at some point this game and i have no idea which way he'll flip

I specifically joined a Large game to avoid getting executed first.

Is there a reason that you're so unwilling to put in heavy lifting, then?

I fear that whatever I say will always be turned against me, even if it's the towniest thing that has ever been done before, and I'll end up as the first blood again.

[DiamondSentinel]

So, Diamond Sentinel is there a particular reason you're not interacting with or questioning the people you suspect? Why just spit names in the ether?

I'm not very good at questioning folks (I wasn't before, and I'm quite out of practice). I'll join in if someone helps, but I'm no good at leading it myself.

my feeling on jake is he's probably going to get himself yeeted at some point this game and i have no idea which way he'll flip

I specifically joined a Large game to avoid getting executed first.

Is there a reason that you're so unwilling to put in heavy lifting, then?

I fear that whatever I say will always be turned against me, even if it's the towniest thing that has ever been done before, and I'll end up as the first blood again.

Oh hello scum tell. You uhh, you're really making this obvious for us.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Oh hello scum tell. You uhh, you're really making this obvious for us.

Called it.

[Tammy]

But can you respond to 849 Diamond?

[fferyllt]

I'm planning to do some Jake metadiving tonight.

[Tammy]

I'm planning to do some Jake metadiving tonight.

Heh I looked at a few this morning, but nothing more than a quick glance.

[Cabd]

But can you respond to 849 Diamond?

[DiamondSentinel]

When I posted that comment, it was specifically in response to 221 which read

horribly

Continuing down to things that I don't like about Cabd's iso. 677 reads terribly, as mod meta is

never

a reason to discount a role being in the game, to say nothing of how counter-productive set-up speculation is (this is almost a universal scumread in my eyes).
789 also reads similarly to 221, although to a different extent. They both read desperate for approval, but this time of varying accounts.
795 makes me want to vote them just out of principle. 805 is the same way.
817 is the only post that reads remotely town in that iso (everything else is null at best), but damn if it doesn't make me want to vote them

again

out of principle.

[Tammy]

Why does him asking me for feedback on the reads he expressed read horribly?

[DiamondSentinel]

It's begging for you to agree with them, or at the very least grant his reads merit. In my experience, it's been a horrible scum-tell, where a player asking for someone to validate their reads is just trying make them seem legitimate.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tbh I'm not really reading him one way or the other right now, but I saw Cabd, you, and Syrana all voting him so I thought there was something to him. I don't like it, but I'm not really disliking it either. Weird that Pooky never decided to clarify on the reasons he voted me.

I voted you because you called Eliza a fruit and it broke her heart and I demand an apology

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

not just any fruit but a low hanging one!

[Jake The Wolfie]

It's begging for you to agree with them, or at the very least grant his reads merit. In my experience, it's been a horrible scum-tell, where a player asking for someone to validate their reads is just trying make them seem legitimate.

This wasn't asking for validation though? This was asking for feedback, as in "Do you agree or disagree with my reads?"
"

[DiamondSentinel]

I mean, you kinda are. Like, probably the second lowest hanging fruit in this thread besides Jake, but I genuinely think that Jake should be lynched in spite of being LHF.

[Jake The Wolfie]

not just any fruit but a low hanging one!

You called?

[Tammy]

You're right that's a horrible scum tell! About as bad as the "I'll pick back up at post #" scum tell.

Why can't it be him reading me by my reaction to his reads or him trying to gauge where my head it at to see if we're on the same page? Why can't it be two people working together?

The rest of the things you pointed out look like you're scum reading personality or play style rather than things that are actually scummy. And maybe you got fixated on the things you did because someone asked you about the group of us.

On the one hand, I kinda like it because sometimes people get squicked when they don't understand the friend dynamics and how people interact who've played a lot together and are friends in real life. On the other, I'm wondering if you realize you're reading personalities as scum rather than behavior.

@Diamond Sentinel

[petapan]

Can we get some coverage on Jake? I still feel pretty good about my vote on him. Others I'd be interested in voting include peta, cabd, and maybe Syr.

Bell's response really doesn't make me feel any better about them, but I'm not really sure what else we'd get out of it.

i have seen it said offsite that listing names in the "w, x, y, or maybe z" is scummy, though. don't have enough experience to go "yeah this is scum" but i'm raising an eyebrow at the format here (does remind me of a Titus-Saber post though)

(could care less that i'm one of the names here and would probably like him on the merit of

who

he's naming, just the

way

he's doing it pings)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean, you kinda are. Like, probably the second lowest hanging fruit in this thread besides Jake, but I genuinely think that Jake should be lynched in spite of being LHF.

Eliza already killed herself you monster

[petapan]

actually nvm he's prob town lol

[DiamondSentinel]

It's begging for you to agree with them, or at the very least grant his reads merit. In my experience, it's been a horrible scum-tell, where a player asking for someone to validate their reads is just trying make them seem legitimate.

This wasn't asking for validation though? This was asking for feedback, as in "Do you agree or disagree with my reads?"
"

See, that's where you're wrong, buddy.

It's not just about what people say, but why do they say it? And specifically, why do they say it how they say it? Instead of saying "what do you think of my reads", why did they not say "what reads do you have on X, Y, and Z people?" The former has an inherent assertion that the reads have merit of their own, and it's a clever way to normalize someone's opinions.

PEdit: So a couple things.
I do know Cabd's personality, and it's not just personality that I'm reading. I've glanced at some of his recent games and this behavior is a bit off compared to those.
Additionally, at this point (this early in the game), working together should always be viewed with scrutiny. Even if they're metabuddies, any amount of immediate comradery should be viewed under the microscope.
And finally, I

have

looked at that possibility that he is trying to read your reaction, and I just don't find that credible. It doesn't hold much water. Anyone can react to someone's reads. It's, in my experience, one of the weaker types of ways to read people.

[DiamondSentinel]

Can we get some coverage on Jake? I still feel pretty good about my vote on him. Others I'd be interested in voting include peta, cabd, and maybe Syr.

Bell's response really doesn't make me feel any better about them, but I'm not really sure what else we'd get out of it.

i have seen it said offsite that listing names in the "w, x, y, or maybe z" is scummy, though. don't have enough experience to go "yeah this is scum" but i'm raising an eyebrow at the format here (does remind me of a Titus-Saber post though)

(could care less that i'm one of the names here and would probably like him on the merit of

who

he's naming, just the

way

he's doing it pings)

I'm going to take the "reminds me of a Titus post" as a compliment here.

[midwaybear]

She was scum lol

[Cabd]

It's begging for you to agree with them, or at the very least grant his reads merit. In my experience, it's been a horrible scum-tell, where a player asking for someone to validate their reads is just trying make them seem legitimate.

This wasn't asking for validation though? This was asking for feedback, as in "Do you agree or disagree with my reads?"
"

See, that's where you're wrong, buddy.

It's not just about what people say, but why do they say it? And specifically, why do they say it how they say it? Instead of saying "what do you think of my reads", why did they not say "what reads do you have on X, Y, and Z people?" The former has an inherent assertion that the reads have merit of their own, and it's a clever way to normalize someone's opinions.

PEdit: So a couple things.
I do know Cabd's personality, and it's not just personality that I'm reading. I've glanced at some of his recent games and this behavior is a bit off compared to those.
Additionally, at this point (this early in the game), working together should always be viewed with scrutiny. Even if they're metabuddies, any amount of immediate comradery should be viewed under the microscope.
And finally, I

have

looked at that possibility that he is trying to read your reaction, and I just don't find that credible. It doesn't hold much water. Anyone can react to someone's reads. It's, in my experience, one of the weaker types of ways to read people.

You're using the wrong lens on your microscope.