TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Creature]

DV wagon would be hella bad

Likely we'll compromise on RCE anyway but we can't ignore DeasVail forever

[Datisi]

does dgb have some sorta history being able to read deas?

[Creature]

Is that all?

634 feels very self aware

[Creature]

does dgb have some sorta history being able to read deas?

Dunno, but at lesst DGB displays more security at her reads than I do with mine

[Creature]

the only two things that i can remember happening in this game at this point is me/bulge argument

What is your conclusion on Bulge based on that argument?

[Creature]

we have 3 days left. with how slow the game's been, if we wanna run up someone else, we need to start now.

I'm a lot more committed now. I think there shpuld have plenty of stuff to work with rn

[Creature]

why is everyone writing these scummy lines all of a sudden

Because the game really sucked for days?

[Creature]

i'm still roughly ~fine with the vote but have been waiting and on...something, i guess, since people kept promising to provide input later but not doing it.

I confess I thought it was pointless to bring anything else today as there wouldn't be enough time to push a new wagon for today.

[Datisi]

i mean, i'm still voting him, so.

the case itself is bad, obviously. but something about their responses to me after it feels... odd? i dunno. the secrecy around slapping a big vanity vote. like it almost feels like it was a case that was designed to go nowhere. if i were looking at our interaction from the outside, i'd have gotten a s/s feeling, but i'm town. it's weird.

re: my read on bulge

creature, tl;dr on all reads? or link me if you've done it before this game and if they're up to date.

[Creature]

Nobody is interested in my Ari push

I won't oppose anymore. If you vote there I'll consider joining just to see what happens.

[petapan]

classic dgb tbh

was looking to see if datisi performatively complains about the game more often as scum but it seems to be neutral behavior and am still okay with his play overall i think

peta is the one who is still "fine" with a RCE yeet despite like pushing me a bit to get off the wagon which feels hypocritical.

i was mainly questioning your conviction toward the vote since you obviously weren't on board with my thinking in the first place but seemed confident enough to stay on anyway

[Creature]

I have xof/DV/sirius as toptown

Meh.

Seemed like the first two were afraid of you.

[Creature]

the case itself is bad, obviously. but something about their responses to me after it feels... odd?

I also feel the same whenever I read his posts, but I feel like that every game I play with him so might just be a playstyle thing. I was kinda expecting someone to have a more solid read on him.

[Creature]

creature, tl;dr on all reads? or link me if you've done it before this game and if they're up to date.

I don't feel like quoting my reads all again. I'm not proud of them and that's getting me.

[Creature]

DGB had petapan as town. I also have petapan as town based on what I read so that's a start.

[DeasVail]

Why I still think RCEnigma is scum:

In summary, the posts made by RCE to me are indicative, not of someone who is trying to actually work out what's going on in the game, but of someone trying to post content and look like they're doing stuff. Obviously town want to post content too, but the first priority is actually deciding "what do I think is happening here? Who is town? Who is scum?" As scum in RCE's position, replacing into a slot under pressure, the priority is more along the lines of "quick! I need to look like I'm town and solving!"

The priorities are different.

I believe RCE's posting fits into the "quick! I need to look like I'm town and solving category".

Firstly, in 721, he comes up with a shortlist poe of three people, from the first 7 pages of the game. I believe this to be incredibly unnatural. Firstly, because of coming up with a poe team from the first 7 pages of the game when there's much more than that and he clearly hasn't caught up. But why as town are you even making yourself come up with a scumteam of 3 7 pages into a catchup anyway. The most likely explanation for this is so that he's looking like he's scumhunting, rather than natural scumhunting itself.

Similarly 722 reverts to commenting on how many scum are on the wagon, which is superficial and one of the easiest things to talk about as scum.

Consistent with my thoughts on the above is RCE's focus on the push of Adorable. If he was actually interested in reading me, a quick ISO (I don't have that many posts) would reveal my reasons for voting Adorable and also my pattern of going hard on pressuring people and re-evaluating my reads (examples being Adorable and Aristophanes). My approach this game has very clearly been to be aggressive, which RCE has noted, but I think the attempts to twist it as agenda-driven don't hold up with what I have posted. My coming around to a townread on Adorable was influenced by Peta's post, but with both Adorable and Aristophanes, there was still substantial suspicion and pressure from the game in general when I formed a townread. And I believe RCE has either ignored or hasn't thought to look for evidence that contradicts his thinking in relation to my slot. Similarly, he has ISO'd random people like Sirius but not me, despite being suspicious of my intimidation tactics. It doesn't fit with what I expect from town here.

I don't see anything in RCE's posts that is inconsistent with what I expect from scum in this position. Not all scum are going to be like beeboy and not post. Scum are supposed to try and look town, they're supposed to produce content and avoid being eliminated. This is exactly what I think RCE is doing.

[Creature]

DGB also had Reck as town and I'm willing to trust her here.

[DeasVail]

DV wagon would be hella bad

Likely we'll compromise on RCE anyway but we can't ignore DeasVail forever

What makes you feel that I'm being ignored?

[Creature]

DV wagon would be hella bad

Likely we'll compromise on RCE anyway but we can't ignore DeasVail forever

What makes you feel that I'm being ignored?

Powerplayer; other players are usually afraid to lynch powerplayers D1 in fear they happen to be town.

[Datisi]

deas, should i scumread you for the fact that you don't seem to be worried *at all* about the fact you have 9 townreads, 1 null, and 2 scumreads in a game that is 9:3 (from town!you pov), and aren't even trying to fact check and see if you're wrong anywhere, while you're just making sure that the rce wagon goes through?

[Creature]

DGB and I also agree on Datisi town.

[Creature]

Also 865 is very bad

[DeasVail]

deas, should i scumread you for the fact that you don't seem to be worried *at all* about the fact you have 9 townreads, 1 null, and 2 scumreads in a game that is 9:3 (from town!you pov), and aren't even trying to fact check and see if you're wrong anywhere, while you're just making sure that the rce wagon goes through?

My reads are sort of made with the expectation that there will be scum in my townreads, hence the decision to also be thinking carefully about the strength of read. I've used that approach to reads when I've hydra'd with Regfan and for me it works very well in forcing re-evaluation and reconsidering both townreads and scumreads, which is why I decided to use it here. Those towards the lower end of my townreads in particular (petapan, The Bulge, Summer Nights) are people that I still think are potential scum and I pay a lot of thought to the posts they make as well. And even though it may not be evident, I do think a lot about my existing townreads and confirm that I still believe they are town.

For example, xofelf calling for action despite being ultimately very passive and disengaged bothered me at surface level, however I have decided that it is probably more indicative of town because it is consistent with my own familiarity with xof and I think scum would be more aware of their own lack of involvement.

Reckoner at times being a bit vague or appearing low in conviction has bothered me, but overall I still read Reckoner's involvement in the game to be very town and have not found justification to seriously suspect him yet.

Just some examples of thoughts I've had that haven't been important enough for me to post, except now for the sake of giving you insight into my thoughts. <3

[DeasVail]

Also 865 is very bad

I would actually love some elaboration on this. Why is it bad? Is it because you disagree and think RCE is town? The game needs to know.

[Aristophanes]

Should we ever do Aristophanes?

Also Happy Scumday!

Also also I need to do this game today/tomorrow. I feel like I've neglected it and am way behind again.