Newbie 2073: Parfait (Over)

[shwinnebego]

fucked up the quote, can you explain why scum is mechanically guaranteed to be within me, Val and StD?

I don't see anything as mechanically confirmed.

[shwinnebego]

Oh okay, so me and StD have votes on Val, which means that if netiher me, StD, nor Val were scum, then the other two scum would hammer.

You're right. That's actually pretty good stuff right there, the first real piece of information we have in this bloody game.

[catboi]

That was what I was getting at, yes.

[GeneralWu]

This doesn't have to do with the game, but I found an old screen recording I made of an EpicMafia game. I'm crying now that I know EpicMafia is dead forever.

[Roden]

So if we know there's at least one scum within the three current votes, then I think we should be able to narrow down if both scum are in the votes or if one is waiting to hammer.

Wu, can you give us your reads on Catboi and I?

Catboi, you seen to be town reading Wu, but do you still town read me?

I'm still hesitant on Wu, but I do think his suspicion on Shwinn for being eager to hammer has merit. It could be light scum theatre though, so if Wu suddenly hard pushed Shwinn I'd expect it to be a bus. If Wu was paired with StD I wouldn't be too surprised since that then meant he tried to save StD, but I don't have any reason to believe it other than the vote on Meg. Chances of being paired with Val are low since I think they'd just stick to the same wagon Day 2, but they were on opposing wagons. So evidence-wise, if Wu is scum then their most likely partner is Shwinn.

As for Catboi, I've gone back and forth on him, but I feel like we mind melded halfway through Day 2. I can't rule out the possibility he's just scum trying to agree with me to get me to agree with him in return, but I've agreed with him on things even pre-mind meld. I don't really see a Catboi/Shwinn pairing, even when ISO diving there's nothing to really point out a possible pairing. Catboi and StD wouldn't be wild for the same reasons I gave Wu. Catboi almost never gets paired with Val because of how confident he seems to be about Val being scum, and he could've just pushed StD by now to save Val. So, I think Catboi is just town unless he's needlessly trying to bus Val.

With this in mind, logically it only makes sense for Val to be scum if he's getting hard bussed by either StD or Shwinn. And going by what happened Day 2 and Val's reactions today, Val is heavily implicated to be scum. So FMPOV I think the most likely scenarios are that Val is either getting hard bussed here, or both StD and Shwinn are scum buddies trying to mis-elim Val. Otherwise, I'm either wrong about Catboi or Catboi is misreading Wu, but this seems less likely.

[catboi]

Catboi, you seen to be town reading Wu, but do you still town read me?

Yes, more confidently than generalwu still. GewneralWu is kind of a shrug guess in that he wouldn't approach this day phase the way he's playing as scum, when I reread his ISO last night there were some parts I liked and some parts I didn't like.

I'm going to do a more thorough examination of Val in his other games so I can be confident here but if my perspective doesn't change, I might hammer test you, because otherwise the game is going to be stuck in a standstill.

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 3.02

Val89 (2):

Save The Dragons, shwinnbego

Save The Dragons (1):

Val89

Not Voting:

Roden, GeneralWu, catboi

With

6

players remaining,

4

votes to eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-10 12:14:36)

[catboi]

I reread val's day 2 this game and I'm less certain. I didn't really like how he seemed to latch on to the STD votes that were mainly being pushed by me and shwinn but I saw some attempt at logic there, his softclaiming mason is still astounding to me. I don't think I'm confident enough to vote.

[Roden]

The game's kinda grinding to a halt. I don't think anyone's going to replace into Val's slot since he's in such an unfavorable position; having to read the entire game and then defend themself for the actions the previous player made is bad enough, but having to do this in MELo

and

as the most likely pick for elimination regardless of their defense just doesn't sound fun unless someone wants a serious challenge. Because I'm gonna be honest, if we don't decide no elim today then we're likely just gonna vote Val anyway.

This doesn't even account for if anyone else replaces out, which is already being suggested. That'll send us that much further back by making us wait for two replacements for slots that have suspicion on them.

(or not ending it if he turns out to be evil, i guess, but if people wanna spend another week of real life time spinning our wheels and relitigating the minutiae of wtf val was on about without val here i will probably need to request a replacement myself)

Like, I completely get the frustration here, but I want to avoid another replace out. I think Shwinn does bring up a good point though that we're not going to be able to figure out why Val did what he did, no matter who replaces in. Val's replacement won't be able to defend the Mason claim, but it's also not like we're just gonna forget about it, so I'm not sure how we're supposed to be able to sort whoever replaces in. We can talk about it back and forth but we're never going to get a real justification for it. It's just a doomed slot.

Tbh Catboi I might just hammer test you and Wu tomorrow instead. I know you feel less confident about Val now, but I just don't want to believe two different townies would try to gambit fake claiming Mason two days in a row in the same game. It's just fucking wild to think that town!Val would see that blow up in T3's face and the immediately try to follow it up with a slightly softer Mason claim.

[Roden]

Otherwise, I'm open to a StD vote if we've got a case. I agree with Shwinn that I just don't want to wait another week, and if we're all more confident on voting StD over Val instead then fuck it, let's do it then.

[Roden]

Mainly because I don't think Val vs StD is TvT in any universe ever. If it's TvT we actually just deserve to lose if town really did self-destruct three days in a row over multiple fake Mason claims.

[GuyInFreezer]

Radical Rat replaces Val89.

[Radical Rat]

Hello everyone!
I haven't read much more than just this page yet, but I am pleased to announce that Val was, and I am, Town!

Also VOTE: Rodent

[Radical Rat]

Roden*

Autocorrect.... And I was gonna make a whole thing about being too close to Rodent....

In any case, this is a very serious hard scumread, though when I read the rest of the game I reserve the right to change my mind on that. But the past few posts are just absolutely full of WIFOM, and I REALLY don't like the attempt to lock me in as today's elimination.

[Roden]

Well that's one way somebody replaces in, they don't read the game first lol.

Really bad start btw, you might wanna read the thread because your opening posts just read like a scum claim.

[catboi]

Yeah, that's...quite the entry.

[Radical Rat]

I'm working on reading the game now.

Yes, I posted before doing that because I was excited to be here.

[Save The Dragons]

still happy with my vote

[Radical Rat]

Alright, so.
I've skimmed around enough that I think I have a decent handle on things.

Been a hell of a game, huh?

So.... Reads then.

Catboi's Town. Probably Wu also. Shwinn.... Kinda goes back and forth for me, but right now I'm feeling Town.

Which leaves Roden and StD. And that happens to line up with my immediate reaction reading Roden's recent posts.

So yeah, I'm gonna stay right where I am for now.

[Radical Rat]

Shwinnebego!

Suppose I flip scum. Who do you think is my partner?

[Roden]

:/

This was probably the worst thing you could've posted after what happened with Val.

Do you at all disagree with my analysis of your slot or how precarious of a situation you're in? It's implied that you do by keeping your vote on me, which is really not the take you should be having right now.

[catboi]

I feel like taking a chance here to progress things and I'm okay enough with this read.

VOTE: Radical Rat

Roden, if you're town just post once to confirm not hammering. If you're scum then just end it.

[Roden]

I'm gonna give you a chance because you did just replace in, but either you're reading the room really badly or you're going for a Hail Mary strat as scum. Just letting you know now that trying to random wagon me is not the play.

[Roden]

VOTE: Radical Rat

[catboi]

ah

well then