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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:50 pm
by Prism
Big talk for someone who isn't willing to vote me individually!

You going to think through your proposed scenario and realize my alignment actually doesn't hinge at all on Meg's at all or do I have to treat you like Hectic and do it for you? Prefer to vote the coinflip?

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:57 pm
by Aristeia
It is a factual statement.

I think your alignment is somewhat conditional on Meg's - I'm not sure scum!you would have the incentive to bare its teeth if a partner was not in imminent danger, I think you do take the time to re-read the game before entering the thread in the manner in which you did.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:59 pm
by Prism
On a more serious note while I think the preflip is garbage & you have the motivation wrong there are other ways to sort this. Leverage mech/flips and revisit if needed.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:01 pm
by Prism
I hate to go all righty on you but Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings

Vulture might sometimes, though.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:04 pm
by Aristeia
You do realize if people actually take the time to read what you're typing and think through it they will realize you are just literally repeating Farkran's scum game where he inundates the thread with so much verbiage that people's eyes glaze over and they just nod along with him right?

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:06 pm
by Prism
In post 854, Aristeia wrote:You do realize if people actually take the time to read what you're typing and think through it they will realize you are just literally repeating Farkran's scum game where he inundates the thread with so much verbiage that people's eyes glaze over and they just nod along with him right?
I missed that joke, that is a good one, OK.

Mine was referencing a more specific statement of his that leveraged the gaps between my play and my ideal to paint me as scum & shove me.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:08 pm
by Vulture
Beetlejuice or whatever before I sleep.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:09 pm
by Aristeia
I don't think I would ever decide to "shove" you as scum, I have better things to do with my life.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:12 pm
by Prism
I happen to agree it is unlikely, for better or for worse. We'll see if it bites me but I don't think you deserved the meaner spirit now that I know you were referencing.

I'll be around tomorrow if you want to talk after catch-up.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:13 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 841, MathBlade wrote:T3 is Townie in my book as well. Annoying but Townie.

I just can’t say what but needed an indicator so I used it.
Well at least I got my answer
I also think the little tizzy of confusion about “Star Wars” is probably a sign you’re town because it doesn’t feel like scum!you would nitpick like that

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:14 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 843, MathBlade wrote:Let me try explaining how ridiculous your question is to me:

Let’s say you’ve been playing a table top role playing game.
Throughout the game you’ve been told Wolf is the big bad.

Then someone says but what if 4 days ago I told you that Wolf was no where near the murder scene.

Do you still RP now as if wolf is the big bad?

You can’t expect me to go “well what if not X” happened?

There’s like nothing to go off of.
Dude what’s with the sudden anger???

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:15 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Like, I asked at the behest of Titus, and you’re getting mad at me for it? Fucking CHILL, bro!

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:19 pm
by MathBlade
In post 685, Aristeia wrote:
In post 682, Prism wrote:
In post 666, Aristeia wrote:[[Other line about my entrance not making sense]

610 was posted 9 minutes before Prism's post.

It feels like Prism is stating that it is unthinkable that we are even considering Meg as an elimination option due to 610.

This is silly because

1) 610 was just posted - nobody even has had a chance to respond to it.
2) Prism has just replaced in and has no idea why we are voting Meg nor a real read on her.

There is an edge here that feels like an agenda to me. I don't think Town!Prism would enter the thread with this much certainty.
There are multiple reasons to pursue a snapread,: First, replacements are incredibly annoying as scum an my entrance immediately puts pressure to justify things that otherwise get left for free, and this should be capitalized on immediately. Second, it being very fast does not mean it is not a real read, and these snapreads have been increasingly useful to me over the last calendar year even if the initial accuracy varies by caliber of player.

The more urgent concern was T3 threatening a hammer on a townread.

When you unvote it becomes e-2 so the hammer is not an issue.

You can simply ask us to hold up for 2-3 days in order to give you time to reread the thread

Inmediately snapreading off one post the consensus lead wagon and using 610/megs relative inexperience to say she shouldnt be even on the table reads as very manipulative to me esp if you haven't even read the game.
Are we talking about the same Prism?

Prism is pretty much snap decisions.

In warehouse 13 https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=26507

They came up with a horrible decision to try to confirm themselves and randomly have an artifact to scum.

Secondly I prefer seeing reactions from a cold read as interactive thoughts. Given time scum can usually prepare a care and sound better than they should.

This is the second time you’ve said someone should read the game before commenting. As a serial replace in player odds are that is actually more detrimental to town. More often than not people have a negative bias towards replacements in general. It’s much more important to show you’re town versus tell it. I don’t like how you’ve been focused on almost exclusively Prism from what I have seen in the game.

I am also not buying your team either. We have two wagons forming on Meg and Chaos. Why are you so focused on Prism? I don’t understand it.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:24 pm
by MathBlade
In post 860, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 843, MathBlade wrote:Let me try explaining how ridiculous your question is to me:

Let’s say you’ve been playing a table top role playing game.
Throughout the game you’ve been told Wolf is the big bad.

Then someone says but what if 4 days ago I told you that Wolf was no where near the murder scene.

Do you still RP now as if wolf is the big bad?

You can’t expect me to go “well what if not X” happened?

There’s like nothing to go off of.
Dude what’s with the sudden anger???
1) That wasn’t anger, my prior posts were. I use repetition and caps to signify anger.

I do still think the question is ridiculous. I don’t get why you inserted a push that doesn’t exist.

How about we just talk other people?

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:25 pm
by MathBlade
In post 863, MathBlade wrote:
In post 860, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 843, MathBlade wrote:Let me try explaining how ridiculous your question is to me:

Let’s say you’ve been playing a table top role playing game.
Throughout the game you’ve been told Wolf is the big bad.

Then someone says but what if 4 days ago I told you that Wolf was no where near the murder scene.

Do you still RP now as if wolf is the big bad?

You can’t expect me to go “well what if not X” happened?

There’s like nothing to go off of.
Dude what’s with the sudden anger???
1) That wasn’t anger, my prior posts were. I use repetition and caps to signify anger.

I do still think the question is ridiculous. I don’t get why you inserted a push that doesn’t exist.

How about we just talk to other people?
Ebwop

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:26 pm
by Aristeia
Why would I not focus on Prism? I believe Prism is the biggest threat to the game state and if I'm right there's a good chance Prism takes thread control and wins.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:27 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 847, Prism wrote:Me circa 2020: "Datisi has typed 200,000 words of complex and consistent reasoning. I am on my seventh reread and see no flaws-but darkness surely lurks somewhere. I must begin anew. From scratch. From nothing."
Me circa 2021:
puts on cowboy hat
"Hot damn Datisi ignored a question, gotta be town let's ride boyz."

Aristeia you can fit here too except you're more copying a Farkran scumgame and I really should be more concerned about it than I am
In post 849, Aristeia wrote:Fairly sure you are the one playing the Farkran scum game between the two of us.
What’s a “Farkran scum game”?

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:27 pm
by MathBlade
Have you played with me before?

I ask you this not to hunt you but to know how to explain something to you.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:28 pm
by MathBlade
Simple yes or no works I don’t need elaboration here Ari

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:30 pm
by Titus
VOTE: Vulture

Let's steal us a scum flip, or at least a nightkill.

@Gamma, You in?

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm
by Aristeia
In post 862, MathBlade wrote:They came up with a horrible decision to try to confirm themselves and randomly have an artifact to scum.


The artifact wasn't even important to the game and it was a decent thing to talk about and form reads around early in the game.

The fact that Prism gave it to Bork!scum ultimately didn't really affect the game state very much at all, it certainly didn't help Bork survive.

Also that decision came during pre-game where nobody had even done anything, Prism's decision here is being made in a game state that had already settled down and people had formed their initial reads.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm
by Aristeia
In post 867, MathBlade wrote:Have you played with me before?

I ask you this not to hunt you but to know how to explain something to you.
Yes

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 864, MathBlade wrote:
In post 863, MathBlade wrote:
In post 860, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 843, MathBlade wrote:Let me try explaining how ridiculous your question is to me:

Let’s say you’ve been playing a table top role playing game.
Throughout the game you’ve been told Wolf is the big bad.

Then someone says but what if 4 days ago I told you that Wolf was no where near the murder scene.

Do you still RP now as if wolf is the big bad?

You can’t expect me to go “well what if not X” happened?

There’s like nothing to go off of.
Dude what’s with the sudden anger???
1) That wasn’t anger, my prior posts were. I use repetition and caps to signify anger.

I do still think the question is ridiculous. I don’t get why you inserted a push that doesn’t exist.

How about we just talk to other people?
Ebwop
meh

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm
by Prism
The crucial difference is that I am willing to cede thread control, especially to my townreads such as you, Vulture, & Datisi. My plans were cancelled tonight which is why I was able to shitpost to begin with, but I chose to delay my catch-up anyway in the hopes that others would step up to bat. My posts towards Vulture have all been in the hopes they Beetlejuice, which naturally fail completely as they do every game. Shitposting was just shitposting. I was very intentional about not sorting in the Titus/Math discussion both to let parallel discussions happen without me (...and I don't get particularly happy at the thought, sorry to both)

I am a bit less willing to sheep on Meg, and have found it hard not to get tilted between yourself and Vulture, but the first may change and the second is too bad, so sad.

Again, light router on fire, etc.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:33 pm
by Titus
In post 867, MathBlade wrote:Have you played with me before?

I ask you this not to hunt you but to know how to explain something to you.
Let's keep things small. I don't trust Ari enough. Telephone like that requires at least a sense of how to communicate on an individual level.

It works for us sometimes because we're us.

Here, you got two levels of telephone plus with me not telling you everything.