I don't think that happens unless Peta is fighting with HQ in the scum PT about how to play that game.
Spoiler:
there's some more nuance here but yeah that fight is a large reason for why i repped out, it made me exceedingly uncomfortable
once i realized that i had stopped reading the game and scum pt for like a week i realized it was time to go
nothing should be read into peta's alignment off of this tho
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:23 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
I am not clicking on that spoiler because I am not ready to know if Peta is the uber scum :3
I don't think that happens unless Peta is fighting with HQ in the scum PT about how to play that game.
Spoiler:
there's some more nuance here but yeah that fight is a large reason for why i repped out, it made me exceedingly uncomfortable
once i realized that i had stopped reading the game and scum pt for like a week i realized it was time to go
nothing should be read into peta's alignment off of this tho
this felt possible to me, especially with lunacy as context, but it felt particularly icky to try to read into as i said to ydrasse in the main thread at some point
I don't think that happens unless Peta is fighting with HQ in the scum PT about how to play that game.
Spoiler:
there's some more nuance here but yeah that fight is a large reason for why i repped out, it made me exceedingly uncomfortable
once i realized that i had stopped reading the game and scum pt for like a week i realized it was time to go
nothing should be read into peta's alignment off of this tho
this felt possible to me, especially with lunacy as context, but it felt particularly icky to try to read into as i said to ydrasse in the main thread at some point
which even my entertaining the thought was probably extremely unfair of me, as i have great difficulty functioning in similar situations and there have been games i probably should have replaced out of but did not because of possible implications of,
i am sorry
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:23 am
by skitter30
hmmm i'm not sure what you're apologizing for or what was unfair of you
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:04 am
by Prism
I'm irreparably biased, but I sympathize significantly more with peta on this one. The line where he called her gross was the overstep, but I think not engaging with the rest was the right call.
HQ, regardless of whether or not she felt it to be true, tried to get petapan to stop pushing her by claiming that talking about her play to Gammagooey was damaging her mental health. The game is one of decisionmaking, coalition building, and skepticism. It's one thing if you're being constantly insulted, but if you can't stand people making the decision to vote you out, and talking to others about it, you shouldn't be playing.
It is also ridiculously unfair that she can play that way for an advantage, intentionally or unintentionally, and then not face the consequence for it by allowing peta to state the obvious in response (that it is clearing).
That replaceout seriously damaged the game's integrity from the start, but there's no better way to handle it. My replacement was similar. I think it's wrong to frame it as "dirty if peta is scum", though, because that possibility actually
restores
some integrity to the game alignment-wise, not talking morally. You shouldn't be able to clear people for out of game spats and replaceouts like that. Peta is a shitty partner who can't work with his teammates if he's scum, but you can't say it compromises the game's integrity if it's a scum/scum spat just because it is not the town/scum one you thought you could safely assume it was.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:18 am
by Prism
This game's integrity was seriously damaged at several points, and peta has been a huge prick this game and it is 100% a him problem. I thought Gammagooey was right in his post.
The tactics from Saber/HQ this game though were completely indefensible and it is unfair that petapan is the one held responsible for "compromising integrity". He has been a prick, but the worst he's done is say "you're gross" and "shut the fuck up wolf". Integrity problems all lie squarely with the scumteam.
I hate to make it about me again but if Gamma Emerald is scum he literally
won the game by forcing me to replace out
, and then compromised it further by PMing me about the ongoing game and posting about it
in said game
. If I had been a scum slot he would have HAD to be modkilled.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:23 am
by Prism
HQ literally nominated Gamma Emerald for a title for the way he replaced out this game, which I was not only absolutely disgusted by given how he did
not
care about the right thing with me, only himself and his own self image, but also because it again was blatantly about this game.
Somehow petapan is again the one who is responsible for the game's integrity issues.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:31 am
by Prism
Back to the game at hand, wonder how Gammagooey will now react to the flip, which should have been obvious like 4/5 days ago lmao
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:46 am
by Dwlee99
I don't hold it on Peta if he is scum, although arguing it is clearing is meh. It's on HQ for escalating the conflict to that level, and I completely agree with you on that.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:52 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
It's not clearing and it's not Peta's fault if town decides to believe it is clearing imo.
There's no reason scum can't say ___ is clearing, town do it all the time.
Up to the town to work out what is clearing and what is not.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:53 am
by Dwlee99
That's why meh
I hold no bad blood towards peta if he's scum here, and I want to make that clear
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:55 am
by Prism
I should be more clear with the "clearing" bit that I think the fact that S/S is possible, and that T/S isn't a safe assumption, is what kind of gives it more game integrity back even if it makes peta an even worse person. If someone was only fine with it if it was T/S, that's a serious game integrity issue.
it’s more to do w skitter than it is firebringer because fb hasn’t done anything that i’ve been able to read .-. but ummm... circumstance...s... with skitter
they’re kind of the same reason i wanted harley to cross but like, the evil version
basically, i think the evilness of the skitter circumstances you’re referring to only applies if the team was like, tamora’s angel/toogeloo/skitter or something like that,
which i mean, isn’t impossible, hm
but i also feel kinda icky trying to read such things
basically, ydrasse said circumstances regarding your replacement scum indicative, i thought about a bit and came to the conclusion that probably only ai if you/harley quinn,
and i am apologizing for thinking about this and posting about it, as i would not have been had you not replaced out of the game, and that's not really fair at all of me,
like in student council taly/alisae hydra replaced my scum partner, then alisae repeatedly misgendered their predecessor while disparaging their play and them as a person unprompted, and then yelled at me a lot while proposing we intentionally link the wrong thread in post tags which felt far outside of the spirit of the rules to me, and it felt like it was not remotely possible for me to play, as very similarly to what you said above, i just stopped opening the scum pt altogether, but i did not replace out as it seemed likely my slot would be scumread for it,
and it feels like my behaviour here could potentially contribute to others feeling the way i felt there, to you potentially feeling that way in the future, and i very much would not like you to
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:12 am
by Taly
Ngl I half expected scum to sabotage my elimination to incriminate me further. The fact that
Ggy
thought this should give others a pause in their read.
I hold no bad blood towards peta if he's scum here, and I want to make that clear
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:28 am
by Firebringer
HQ should just not play mafia and ive been telling her that everytime she reacts this way to getting pushed. But she continues to say she is working on it and getting better to handling it when people are pushing her.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:43 am
by skitter30
@uly all is good
Spoiler:
I understand why you read it that way, probably would have been better to not comment on it but i knew that by repping out my slot would potentially be read that way
And made the decision to so it anyways, because i just felt given the circumstances i couldnt effectively play to my wincon (or even at all), and that continuing to read/play would tilt me quite a bit, and i tried for like a week and just couldnt keep doing that to myself
(And the worst thing i felt abt it was putting my replacement in a shitty spot, i am very sorry abt that fire - i really wouldnt do that under ordinary circumstances)
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:48 am
by Prism
Gammagooey is just trying to have a nice night. Taly and petapan are banging their hands on the table and breaking shit and whooping and hollering and pointing emphatically and taking their shirts off trying to fight anyone next to them.
Ydrasse comes out of the restroom occasionally only to immediately go back and sit in the stall to play on her phone.
the worst is the bartender.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:52 am
by Toogeloo
I know from FFXIV that Gammerald likes to talk to. I'd just be kind of surprised after the way he blew up in frustration with my crossing plan if that came from scum. That felt like a legit exasperated town meltdown.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:53 am
by Prism
A big part of why I still think it's GE slot: the one comment I have believed in this thread was when skitter said last scum was ridiculously deep, and I don't think Ydrasse qualifies.
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:55 am
by Prism
Obviously I have been more excited than a kid sitting on the Super Bowl sideline all week but I think we're all glad to be unspoiled at this point, this game owns
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:18 am
by Firebringer
In post 870, Prism wrote:Ydrasse comes out of the restroom occasionally only to immediately go back and sit in the stall to play on her phone.