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Post Post #850 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:40 pm

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Post Post #851 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:59 pm

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House, why is andres so low on your list?
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Post Post #852 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:08 pm

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In post 851, VP Baltar wrote:House, why is andres so low on your list?
Since your on VP, I want to clarify, are you still/were you ever townreading House and Skitter?
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Post Post #853 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:34 pm

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In post 852, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 851, VP Baltar wrote:House, why is andres so low on your list?
Since your on VP, I want to clarify, are you still/were you ever townreading House and Skitter?
Yeah, I think they are probably both town.
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Post Post #854 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:40 pm

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In post 853, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 852, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 851, VP Baltar wrote:House, why is andres so low on your list?
Since your on VP, I want to clarify, are you still/were you ever townreading House and Skitter?
Yeah, I think they are probably both town.
Okay our reads are close enough to work together then. I'm planning to post an updated reads list later tonight in a similar format to House.
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Post Post #855 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:47 pm

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In post 684, Datisi wrote:the fact that i think iv is much less paranoid of vp so he stops me from spiraling into a paranoia tunnel, but the fact that vp was not even mentioned in the list is ??? ? ? ? ?? ?

ok i see he was mentioned in 533 and uuuuuuuuugh iv why can't you just be town instead of spending so much time explaining why you won't be town
Coming back to this...there are several people not mentioned in IV's list (me, andres, Outworld, SS, etc).

Why did you single me out?
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Post Post #856 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:52 pm

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In post 855, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 684, Datisi wrote:the fact that i think iv is much less paranoid of vp so he stops me from spiraling into a paranoia tunnel, but the fact that vp was not even mentioned in the list is ??? ? ? ? ?? ?

ok i see he was mentioned in 533 and uuuuuuuuugh iv why can't you just be town instead of spending so much time explaining why you won't be town
Coming back to this...there are several people not mentioned in IV's list (me, andres, Outworld, SS, etc).

Why did you single me out?
Are you open to a suggestion on your play VP?
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Post Post #857 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:53 pm

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In post 856, Frogsterking wrote:Are you open to a suggestion on your play VP?
Are you saying you want to tell me how to play mafia???????
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Post Post #858 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:53 pm

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lol sure, sign me up
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Post Post #859 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:56 pm

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Hey Laplacian, why are you posting so little and not like, actually scumhunting this game? Your town game in Newbie 2085 is EXTREMELY different than your play here.
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Post Post #860 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:00 pm

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In post 856, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 855, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 684, Datisi wrote:the fact that i think iv is much less paranoid of vp so he stops me from spiraling into a paranoia tunnel, but the fact that vp was not even mentioned in the list is ??? ? ? ? ?? ?

ok i see he was mentioned in 533 and uuuuuuuuugh iv why can't you just be town instead of spending so much time explaining why you won't be town
Coming back to this...there are several people not mentioned in IV's list (me, andres, Outworld, SS, etc).

Why did you single me out?
Are you open to a suggestion on your play VP?
In post 857, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 856, Frogsterking wrote:Are you open to a suggestion on your play VP?
Are you saying you want to tell me how to play mafia???????
In post 858, VP Baltar wrote:lol sure, sign me up
Great. Here:
In post 855, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 684, Datisi wrote:the fact that i think iv is much less paranoid of vp so he stops me from spiraling into a paranoia tunnel, but the fact that vp was not even mentioned in the list is ??? ? ? ? ?? ?

ok i see he was mentioned in 533 and uuuuuuuuugh iv why can't you just be town instead of spending so much time explaining why you won't be town
Coming back to this...there are several people not mentioned in IV's list (me, andres, Outworld, SS, etc).

Why did you single me out?
Maybe it's right for you to be angry, because you were treated unfairly, and Datisi is not the person who is responsible?
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Post Post #861 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:06 pm

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In post 860, Frogsterking wrote:Maybe it's right for you to be angry, because you were treated unfairly, and Datisi is not the person who is responsible?
I'm not mad? I think I understand what you're trying to imply, and we can talk about that if you want.

Datisi and I have a lot of game history and I want to know his alignment as early as I can.
Don't be surprised if I ask him a lot of questions.
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Post Post #862 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:19 pm

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In post 841, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 675, OutWorldER wrote:For right now I trust RTP because I'm fairly sure this is their town game
What makes you say this? I'd like to be convinced of that so I can stop wasting my time trying to figure them out.
I believe I've said it already but my impression of RTP scum game is that their likely to try and actively wrangle the gamestate to be favorable towards scum. I think their significantly more passive this game than they would be if they were scum.

Admittedly, I've only been in three games with RTP's alt/main account, only one of which was their town game and all were over a year ago, so I could be wrong/things could've changed.
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Post Post #863 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:21 pm

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In post 862, OutWorldER wrote:I believe I've said it already but my impression of RTP scum game is that their likely to try and actively wrangle the gamestate to be favorable towards scum. I think their significantly more passive this game than they would be if they were scum.
What would they be doing if they were scum?
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Post Post #864 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:21 pm

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That sounds less than "fairly sure", but ok
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Post Post #865 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:21 pm

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@dats regarding iv, i liked the following quotes and/or posts:

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In post 498, innocentvillager wrote:If I need to be flipped this game to establish that this is kind of play from me going forward is part of my town meta that's fine. Also, I'm not necessarily that much busier per say, but I just don't want to be devoting boatloads of my time and energy to this game anymore. Some recent games took a lot out of me; I'm experimenting here and trying to strike a balance. If that means I get yeeted more often as town and am considered and even worse player than I already am, I will learn to accept it. Or maybe I'll siteflake again, who knows honestly.
- in particular the frog read
In post 533, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 529, skitter30 wrote:
In post 524, innocentvillager wrote:Okay, why?
- idk why scum-him feels the need to meta me here, or why he bothers to do so
- he's trying to de-escalate me/house, no reason to do that as scum (if anything, he should be trying to egg that on)
- i like that he's trying to get over the survey thing
Ehh I'm vaguely convinced by point 1 (maybe VP is being thorough as scum too) but not really the others

I'm surprised you gave very material reasons here tbh - I've never played with scum!Baltar but I have a feeling I'll just like, not get the exact same vibe from him as I do in every single town game I play with him. I'm vaguely getting hints of that here but for me it's not strong enough to constitute any sort of real lean atm, but ofc I haven't read the whole game. But I was more wondering if his recent posting gave you similar tonal vibes that it gave me but it seems that's not the case.

pedit: yeah what House said re: point 2
In post 536, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 532, Aristeia wrote:
In post 498, innocentvillager wrote:If I need to be flipped this game to establish that this is kind of play from me going forward is part of my town meta that's fine.
IV do you have an completed game where you were ok with being misflipped as town?

I kind of remember you using this kind of ate in the last game we played together:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13026522
That post was literally a last ditch AtE attempt, while I'm far from being actually eliminated in this game.

I feel like I've mentioned it many times that this is a new playstyle that I am experimenting with upon inning this game (like, I literally /inned into the queue with "oh god because I hate myself" if that doesn't make it clear), and that I shouldn't be read on this alone.

So while there might be some town game of mine out there where I am vaguely okay with being eliminated, it's not really relevant for this game. You'll have to read me based on whatever you see here.
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Post Post #866 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:21 pm

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Isn't the first sentence and the second sentence a contradiction? How does RTP wrangle the game state towards being scum-favorable if they are passive?
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Post Post #867 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:22 pm

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In post 810, Datisi wrote:
In post 806, Frogsterking wrote:IDK, do you work harder as scum than as town?
to an outside observer, my towngame seems more effort-y than my scumgame - but i definitely work harder as scum, so. just a lot of that work is behind the scenes. not sure why you ask, tho.
fwiw i actually think the opposite
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Post Post #868 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:25 pm

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In post 840, Frogsterking wrote:FYI i have come to the conclusion that both RTP and VP are town.
why rtp?
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Post Post #869 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:25 pm

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oh hmm I read that wrong I see
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Post Post #870 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:27 pm

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In post 866, Aristeia wrote:Isn't the first sentence and the second sentence a contradiction? How does RTP wrangle the game state towards being scum-favorable if they are passive?
no, he's saying that if rtp is scum, they wouldn't be passive. they're passive, ergo probably not scum
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i'm kinda just generally around now if anybody wants to chat but i'm having a hard time getting into this one and i don't really have a lot to say
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Post Post #872 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:28 pm

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What would you like to chat about?
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