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Actually, no.
Your logic is that I took 12 minutes to clarify.
You took only less than one.

You're not really drawing distinctions in the types of arguments here.

Your initial post, which was that you TR'd Luke and Penguin, seems to go against reality since Penguin hadn't yet contributed anything to the game at the time. This is a hole that really needs some sort of explanation or admittance of error if noticed.

My post just now was citing a back-and-forth with Dragons. There were several points made at this time, and there's little doubt one exists or that it contradicts a real event. It's more akin to me saying "I want that ball" and pointing to close group of five, then going "Oh, the [singular] blue one"

If your presented explanation is valid and true, then that's okay and the onus is on me for doubting it. That said, I do doubt it: TRing Penguin because you trust town-Luke on scum-Pooky is technically valid, but categorizing Penguin as a townread for it is odd and kind of circular. The critical point is Luke's scumread on Pooky which makes it not a complete circle, but it's bizarre to call Pooky scum via PoE when you are in fact working in the complete opposite direction (Penguin town via PoE)

I can distill my interpretation of those two posts further to show the point and what I mean by "opposite direction". Process of elimination works by taking things out of a bucket and looking at what is left inside.

Your first post had Pooky as scum via PoE, as you townread Lukewarm and Penguin. This implies you have two reads and the one left out is Pooky.

Your second post had Penguin as town via PoE, as you had Lukewarm as town and trusted his (scum)read on Pooky. This clarifies you have two reads and the one left out is Penguin.

We could try and rework the first to align with the second, but no matter how you slice it the first post of Pooky being scum "for PoE" doesn't really make sense. He's the second read in the chain (via trusting Lukewarm), not the leftover third.

The first post in a vacuum would be very problematic since Penguin hadn't contributed, and it is tough to believe he would be a townread on his own merit. The second post in a vacuum is valid, though calling Penguin a "townread" over something like "town by default" is non-traditional. My issue is the difference in described process that seems to crop up in the correction.

Oh.
I get it now.
Thanks, Faker.
Sorry for the false accusations.

To be honest right now, I would want Dwlee to vote before STD.
I trust him more not to quickhammer.

In case it wasn't clear I trust STD more not to quickhammer.

In post 833, Faker wrote:I am content to let you lose and have you blame it on others again.

why does everything faker say sound so fucking nasty

like- her back and forth with dragons STINKS
: (( I like dragons this game

dwlee does seem a bit better lately, but they're still the scummiest of the stop getting banned bunch.

dwlee -> rh9 -> dragons

everyones jump onto rh9 lately makes me wary of that push.

In post 858, marcistar wrote:dwlee does seem a bit better lately, but they're still the scummiest of the stop getting banned bunch.

dwlee -> rh9 -> dragons

everyones jump onto rh9 lately makes me wary of that push.

What have I done better

In post 854, RH9 wrote:To be honest right now, I would want Dwlee to vote before STD.
I trust him more not to quickhammer.

I thought we are trying to resolve the other game first?

i mean probably but we want to resolve both eventually

Oh I misread the right now

It's kinda cool how my little notice thing and then prism notices the deeper thing etc. but beyond the cool prism is actually solving to notice that

In post 856, marcistar wrote:

In post 833, Faker wrote:I am content to let you lose and have you blame it on others again.

It's almost like I'm not concerned at all with my flip clearing someone in SGB.

My contempt comes out when I perceive a refusal to try or to critically evaluate something; it raises the question of why I'm bothering to type to someone at all. I'd contrast this approach with the one I take with RH9. I don't mind completely switching up how I write and going to great lengths to explain my perspective to him because it's going to get read and critically engaged with.

You might take issue with my more venomous side regardless of alignment, but I have no intention of debating it here or ever.

In post 860, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 854, RH9 wrote:To be honest right now, I would want Dwlee to vote before STD.
I trust him more not to quickhammer.

I thought we are trying to resolve the other game first?

Basically what STD said.
When we resolve SGB, I would prefer you to vote before him because I trust him more not to quickhammer.

In post 863, Dwlee99 wrote:It's kinda cool how my little notice thing and then prism notices the deeper thing etc. but beyond the cool prism is actually solving to notice that

Are you talking about Faker's response the RH9 tmi thing you pointed out?

I think that Dwlee only did one notice thing during this Day phase.

It's nice of Dwlee99 but it's not like I don't solve or put in effort tracking as scum; my entire shtick is out-solving the town to strongarm and then use that position to control where attention goes. If RH9 is town and I'd be advancing a miselim great, but bussing is also pretty free for me with how the game currently is.

Mostly still a holding pattern here for me on SGB. Dragons is still a townlean after our last set of interactions.

In post 868, Faker wrote:It's nice of Dwlee99 but it's not like I don't solve or put in effort tracking as scum; my entire shtick is out-solving the town to strongarm and then use that position to control where attention goes. If RH9 is town and I'd be advancing a miselim great, but bussing is also pretty free for me with how the game currently is.

That's cool.
I didn't know that you had such a strong scumgame.
Now, I'm feeling worried that marci might be right that I should be concerned about buddy attempts.
Though, I feel concerned that marci might be trying to buddy me as of late.

It's also why I've explicitly let off the reins repeatedly and tried to let posts happen without me pressuing in the vein of my interaction with Dragons.

Unfortunately without that we get maybe 5 posts a day and things slow down to a crawl.

In post 870, Faker wrote: Unfortunately without that we get maybe 5 posts a day and things slow down to a crawl.

Are you sure that STD wasn't just busy IRL and that it was pure coincidence?

That wasn't a statement about Dragons specifically, but the lethargy of the broader game.

And again, the point wasn't so much to castigate players for inactivity. The point is that I've ceded a lot of control to try and leave room for players to be more proactive without me breathing down their necks, in contrast to my scumgame.

It hasn't worked out quite how I was hoping, movement has been slower than I like it to be, but I've left the room there and if everyone else wants to play this pace, I'm not town dictator.

In post 872, Faker wrote:That wasn't a statement about Dragons specifically, but the lethargy of the broader game.

Oh.
I see.