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Initial comments, 3 reads, only one of which is scum.

In post 482, Titus wrote:Frankly, if I didn't comment on something awhile back, it did not stick out to me in the thread during my initial read.

I will reread again and go into detail on RT and DB.

SoS, I was looking at post 255. If you didn't think Rebel slipped, why did you vote for the slot?

Exhibit A- Fluff. Also, note the first line. Nothing else to comment on, other than 3 reads? Really?

In post 483, Titus wrote:I got a blind sheep. I am not liking that.

Fluff without making any other assertions about the alignment of said sheep.

In post 513, Titus wrote:Ok. I looked through DB's ISO and I don't like what I see. I am willing to hammer if the need arises but the lack of another train is bothering me. Either db was obvscum and the fellow scum are distancing or not wanting to start trains OR db is having a poor town game.

Rail Tracer's opening is scummh. The refusal to answer questions will almost always irk me unless the questions are pointless and loaded. I don't know where RT stands though. He also asks for reads early on. Bleh. I will put him at a null now but it is a generous null and I will read again in the morning. For now my vote remains as no one screams scum at me.

No scumreads? lololol. In here, Titus basically said that the RT scumread was PL-ish (oh that just annoys me). Here, Titus asserts something I already said, as well as say noone screams scum to her (while also saying she'll hammer DB).

In post 523, Titus wrote:

In post 519, Mario and the Diamonds wrote:I'm confused.

I can't make heads or tails of any reads in this game, no matter how much I try to reread. It's annoying.

Gun to your head. Name one town player and one scum player.

You mean like you've done- Oh wait! You only have 2 non-null reads at this point, and neither of them is a scumread!

In post 528, Titus wrote:

In post 525, Sound of Silence wrote:

In post 513, Titus wrote:Ok. I looked through DB's ISO and I don't like what I see. I am willing to hammer if the need arises but the lack of another train is bothering me. Either db was obvscum and the fellow scum are distancing or not wanting to start trains OR db is having a poor town game.

Rail Tracer's opening is scummh. The refusal to answer questions will almost always irk me unless the questions are pointless and loaded. I don't know where RT stands though. He also asks for reads early on. Bleh. I will put him at a null now but it is a generous null and I will read again in the morning. For now my vote remains as no one screams scum at me.

RT has zmuffin somewhere among the heads

Also, what strikes you as pointless and loaded may not correspond all that well to what someone else considers pointless and loaded, especially someone named zmuffin.

RT is one of my stronger town reads.

I don't really care who is the head of a hydra. I try to treat all players the same unless I know how to communicate with them. Somethings off about that slot to me. I'll figure it out later if I am right but for now my vote stays.

"somethings off"- most overused Scum fakeread excuse 2013.

In post 564, Titus wrote:

In post 559, Sound of Silence wrote:

In post 528, Titus wrote:I don't really care who is the head of a hydra. I try to treat all players the same unless I know how to communicate with them. Somethings off about that slot to me. I'll figure it out later if I am right but for now my vote stays.

This comment bothers me. I've been mulling it over ever since I first read it. I'm trying to see it in the context of Titus' style of play which is kind of personality-blind, but as an actual intentional strategy it seems wrongheaded in a few dozen ways.

I get the general strategy, personality independence as a bad strategy. It works for me usually. That doesn't mean I ignore history and what players know. I just try to be objective in all observations. Buddying me happens very rarely from those who play with me a lot for this reason.

I focus more on telling me what specific read is wrong and why rather than my strategy as a whole. WE can argue strategy or we can argue who is scum.

@Brian, were you saying Rebel misrepped DB?

Weird, I don't see you arguing anyone to be scum.

In post 576, Titus wrote:

The above post appears to be a joke.

Will post something of substance later tonight.

This looks like a forced attempt for towncred. Like really.

In post 581, Titus wrote:

In post 577, Rail Tracer wrote:

cabd wrote:You're dead, your vote does not count.

omg... i cannot believe you modkilled him for something like th-

In post 576, Titus wrote:

The above post appears to be a joke.

oh, now i see what's going on.

jeez, had me fooled for a moment.

That is exactly why I posted the post above. I actually thought RT was dead a moment too. Given RT's reaction mirrored mine, I'd likely suspect he's town. He could have faked this (unlikely) but for now I'll move RT into nulltown.


That post was not fluff. I said more substantive content later but I intended that post to be helpful.

Responds to fluff accusation, vote is still on someone she has as nulltown (woo, that's 2.5 non-null reads and still no scum reads!)

In post 592, Titus wrote:SoS, I've had my concerns just because of the lack of a counterwagon but I don't have any problems with those voting DB. His reaction to my suggestion RT might be scum because of my gut feeling immediately caused a vote. Given we haven't played together, he shouldn't be sheeping my gut. DB also hasn't put up much of a defense himself. There's enough there to warrant hammering

back up intent to hammer

, I just was concerned because it was too easy.

I haven't played a lot with Fu. Usually I end up replacing into games he was in and left. I'll give you my playstyle in a nutshell. Look at the facts. See what is good and see what isn't. If I see something as off, I say something, even if I'm not sure what's causing me to feel that way. If I cannot get proof or disproof of what I'm feeling, I push it. I was just saying that RT felt off. Why are you supposing that DB and I this overarching plan? This makes me wonder whether you know that DB might flip scum and you're positioning my lynch in the event DB does flip scum.

Mario, you're willing to hammer a slot you haven't read and aren't sure is scummy? What the fuck?

Here, says she'll hammer DB and that she's fine with hammering him

In post 613, Titus wrote:NS, 1) I have not been fluffy. 2) My play has been the opposite of Amished. Fu voted rt. I liked the vote there. 3) I am not ignoring half the players.

I am down for an ns train. I still will hammer db if needed but I like ns scum too.

1 and 3 are both lies, and in this post she tries to setup a mislynch on me. Also no longer wants to hammer someone that a few posts ago "I'm fine to hammer" and wants to start pushing someone else

In post 622, Titus wrote:Dessew, your reasoning suggests you are starting from a premise, Titus is scum and working from there. It is normal for reads to change over time.

Ak's read depends on if ns is scum. If db flips town and ns flips scum, that slot will be near conftown.

VOTE: notscience

Will hammer db if needed when I go to bed. NS needs rope though.

Says I need rope without the slightest bit of pressure on my slot? Seems legit.

In post 629, Titus wrote:

In post 627, Rail Tracer wrote:

ns wrote:Her last post looked very much like "ugh I really really don't want to lynch him so I'll just sit my vote here"

eh, considering she said she'd hammer DB later, i don't really see this.

that said, i don't really understand the vote, since it's not like people are just gonna go, "oh fuck, yeah, totally see the light, let's disband the DB wagon!"

I am a stubborn bitch. I will pursue who I want lynched to hell or high water but lynch who I feel the need to when the time comes.

That's weird, she hasn't done this ALL GAME!

In post 632, Titus wrote:It's now. I am pushing NS to be lynched.

I have pushed to figure out RT's alignment and further draw attention to RT, NS. Please stop with the misreps. My fingers are tired of typing that word.

So now she has a scumread within days of a lynch?

In post 635, Titus wrote:@NS, my first substantive post and 513.

SoS, maybe some of the lurkers will vote ns. If no one votes him in an hour or so, I will resign to hammering db.

Why would she need lurkers to vote me? Because she can't convince the people who actually read the thread.

In post 637, Titus wrote:Yes that is me trying to figure out rt. Not to mention I have been in the game all of a day or two ns. Your argument is looking more like a strawman.

This is a lie and I've already covered that.

In post 643, Titus wrote:SoS, NS is "strawmanning" his allegation that I am not scumhunting. I point out where I was. He laughs it off. He's expecting something much deeper and inconsistent with gameplay on day one, especially from someone who just replaced in, or he's totally just rejecting anything I respond to his questions.

Here is just making excuses and trying to discredit all wrapped in one.

In post 645, Titus wrote:I'll take your word on those games. The biggest thing is all of those are nine player games. This has a lot more players to read, dynamics to interpret and posts to analyze. I'm thinking NS won't be satisified unless I put a huge wall with all the reasons that RT was scum. It's too early for that. No one has the content level for that, because it is day 1. I've just now gotten to the point where I have a major suspect, NS and I can push that tomorrow, because let's face it I'm not getting an NS lynch.

Again, all of your newbie games were very long with a lot of time and posts to figure things out. I'm not really having either so the comparison is apples to oranges, completely.

Here she basically ADMITS she wants to push me tomorrow and is trying to set up my lynch.

In post 647, Titus wrote:That's the point it's you. On Day 1, I find it impossible to be certain who is scum unless someone slips or fabricates a case out of thin air (like ns is doing). NS's case is that I'm not scumhunting is total bullshit. I don't have to be confident my suspects are scum in order to scumhunt. Day 1 to me is about laying the ground work, seeing who does what, and observing behavior. Generally, it is not ZOMG this person is so scum and I am so sure of it.

Hey look, more discredits and lies! There has been literally 0 scumhunting from Titus and yet she insists she has been all game.

In post 648, Titus wrote:Hammering in an hour and a half as I have a very full schedule tomorrow. Get your questions in now.

Fluff

In post 649, Titus wrote:VOTE: Daniel Bryan

Hammer.

In post 747, Titus wrote:

In post 725, artemiskitty wrote:

In post 660, Rail Tracer wrote:i highly doubt dessew was perceived as a threat because of his suspicions. more likely PR hunting or something.

anyway, my pool of suspects today is {mario, mogamma, natirasha}. outside chance at titus and maaaaaaybe ns if someone can convince me, but these three i feel are most likely scum.

general question for anyone to answer: where's the scum on this wagon?

Daniel Bryan (7): Rebel Without a Pulse, Rail Tracer. Brian Skies, Sound of Silence, Natirasha, Dessew, Titus (LYNCH)

I can say though this post pinged a lot.

So you want people to answer this without answering it yourself. Seems like you are trying to see what people say in order to use that in the future for your benefit.

Your top three scum suspects are not

even

on this wagon so why are you asking others to answer it when you barely believe it yourself? You only stated Titus with hesitation, I might add.

Then you drill our slot to answer it after others ignored it.

I really like this post. I minimally read the opening of Day 2 but this post stood out. I usually suspect those who push questions that they don't answer.

Plus, I am surprised at the allegations of my coasting an being scum. My play has allowed for a lo of content, really at the end of day 1. The sudden switch by people suggests that NS really was scum and I am being setup. SoS's FoS is the only one that seems genuine.

VOTE: notscience

shocker, voting me D2! I wonder how I knew she'd do that! And she just admitted to coasting when she was adamant she was doing things yesterday. It's scum trying to pass off all the shit they're doing and appease us for fucks sakes.

In post 841, Titus wrote:This should be alarming. I read this and no less than three people have my slot as PoE scum. It is too damn early for PoE scum as we don't even have a flip. Is hat the best people do? Use your brains. That's a scum pushed train. Only scum have enough information to do a PoE right now.

As for ns, his slot is obvscum to me. I really don't understand how anyone reads him as town. His accusations at the end of the day were shit about not scumhunting despite attempting to get as much inormation as I could.

Cephir, you have a section on 777 regarding me and Natirasha. I didn't understand that point. You also have me as PoE scum but most of the things you hav from my slot suggest town.

Rail Tracer, why are you pressing so much on read fishing. I don't like that.

I like AK and ProHawk as town(not sure who he replaced but his posts seem town). I can see BS as scum with RT. I am near certain NS is scum. SoS is an uncomfortable null read. I will need to figure out that slot fast.

Look, we finally get reads! And lets look at these reads- I'm obvscum for pointing out why TItus is scum

AK and ProHawk are town to her!

And that's it.

Now, why is Titus scum?