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In post 871, sekai no ki wrote:Amalgamated Reads.

Each player is listed in the highest grouping that one of us has them as. The other head's read is noted. The list is not seriatim.

TOWNTOWNTOWN

GIF
Zdenek

Town

RedCoyote - fferyllt has him in "maybe town"
Rubicon
BBMolla - fferyllt has him in "maybe town"
Pidgey
AngryPidgeon - pieguyn has him in "maybe town"
Svenskt - pieguyn has him in "maybe town"
Majiffy - pieguyn has him in "can't read"
Pidgey - fferyllt has him in "maybe town"

Maybe Town

SweatingChessball
Aegor
ActionDan
dopog
Nero Cain
Bulbazak - pieguy has him in "not so town"
Mastin - pieguyn has her in "not so town"
Thor - neither of us are very confident we can read him at all, and would have created a hellifino pile but atm Thor would be the only inhabitant of that pile. ffery think Thor looks less manipulative than he did in WD.

Not So Town

Vezok - ffery's townlean wore off
PeregrineV
Alpazard

move down pidgey and rc, move up peregrinev

agree on rest

I thought about moving Peregrine up last night.

There are an awful lot of players pieguy and I are sorting differently. When we get some of that worked out I'll feel a lot better about the list.

i dont care how you internally sort it, i cant see how you ca have rc town for what i assume is one good catchup post. pidgey i guess has eough volume for a theoretical split in reads...

peregrinev, while in total troll mode, has that resentment towards me that i think indicates town more than scum

lets see it from the positive side and conclude that we agree on some stuff

In post 877, Svenskt Stål wrote:i dont care how you internally sort it, i cant see how you ca have rc town for what i assume is one good catchup post. pidgey i guess has eough volume for a theoretical split in reads...

I agree with you about rc and I don't understand the handful of uber-town reads he's picked up for it.

I feel like I'm maybe compensating for feeling too influenced about pidgey. I don't really understand all the negative reads he's picked up, but I've never played with him before and I haven't bothered to meta him at this point. Maybe later in the game if we're both alive. Right now, I'm resisting WotC.

peregrinev, while in total troll mode, has that resentment towards me that i think indicates town more than scum

I liked his follow-up about the amnesiac game. If he'd said this game reminds him of your play in that one I'd probably have moved my vote.

lets see it from the positive side and conclude that we agree on some stuff

Hard not to find at least some points of agreement in a player list this size.

care to join me on dopog?

Yo @sven: you were reading rc as town after his catchup post yeah?

In post 879, Svenskt Stål wrote:care to join me on dopog?

Why won't you join me in a Vezok stringing-uping-and-hanging-from-the-trees?

In post 881, Majiffy wrote:

In post 879, Svenskt Stål wrote:care to join me on dopog?

Why won't you join me in a Vezok stringing-uping-and-hanging-from-the-trees?

Cause town doesn't join wagons when scum asks for it.

In post 880, dopog wrote:Yo @sven: you were reading rc as town after his catchup post yeah?

i said it was a good post, but i wanted some interactions to occur, but yeah it was a good post, but now there has been a big window of time and he has done nothing, that goes into account aswell

In post 881, Majiffy wrote:

In post 879, Svenskt Stål wrote:care to join me on dopog?

Why won't you join me in a Vezok stringing-uping-and-hanging-from-the-trees?

bored of nothing happening there

What do you mean by nothing happening?

what do you think bro?

the wagon has not gotten any interest in days

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:

In post 844, Bulbazak wrote:Except you never went into depth about what you didn't like. Mastin figured it out herself and explained it, and even then, you go full tilt at attacking her for something that is actually a null reason.

this is blatantly false. ffery told everyone what I didn't like before mastin said anything about it. and even then she didn't explain shit and just said "herp derp that was the scummiest part of the reply. oh well"

In post 661, sekai no ki wrote: How do you feel about this part of Mastin's reply?

In post 537, mastin2 wrote:And if you think that being semi-serious in the RVS is a scumtell for me or for anyone, you can go straight to hell because that's a fundamental scumhunting technique that I've used even when I was a VI in 2009. It's carried over throughout my games over the years, and likely influenced other players to act similarly. (For instance, AP's posting in Anything Goes started out semi-seriously. He was not entirely serious...yet he was not entirely joking, either. It was a mid-way between the two, scumhunting in his own unique way.)

It raised a flag in pieguy's mind. I'm wondering if you see a similar issue.

In post 667, mastin2 wrote:

In post 661, sekai no ki wrote:How do you feel about this part of Mastin's reply?

In post 537, mastin2 wrote:And if you think that being semi-serious in the RVS is a scumtell for me or for anyone, you can go straight to hell because that's a fundamental scumhunting technique that I've used even when I was a VI in 2009. It's carried over throughout my games over the years, and likely influenced other players to act similarly. (For instance, AP's posting in Anything Goes started out semi-seriously. He was not entirely serious...yet he was not entirely joking, either. It was a mid-way between the two, scumhunting in his own unique way.)

It raised a flag in pieguy's mind. I'm wondering if you see a similar issue.

It was the scummiest part of the reply. It was badly worded. I knew it was badly worded. I knew it was something people would scumread me for. But rather than being a case of "screw that, I'm posting it anyway", in this case it was just that I couldn't think of a non-scummy way to say it, but I needed to say it anyway. (...Okay. I guess that is sorta 'screw that, post regardless' anyway.) It hit a very sensitive note. I couldn't let it go unsaid, even though it would have been easier to have left it gone unsaid.

Doesn't look blatantly false to me.

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote: what she said was in no way a response to any concern I had. like really? is it a coincidence that the part I dislike so happens to be the scummiest part of the post?

So her talking about the section you didn't like was "in no way a response to any concern you had"? I also like how you repeated her and then tried to make it look like you thought of that turn of phrase yourself. "Scummiest part of the post." Heh.

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote: the thing with this is I pegged the fuck out of mastin for this same thing (abrasiveness/forcefulness) before. mastin KNOWS this and so if she's scum she knows I'd peg her for the same thing here. so the fact that she "explained" it means fuck all considering if she's scum she already knew what I was going to do

And yet you ignored her talking about it, didn't even try to engage her on it, and launched into this tired, false tirade anyway.

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote: again, right back at you. you were saying scum-mastin's tone is way different than it is here but you didn't link any scumgames and instead said this was more in line with his towngames. you're drawing parallels to his towngame, I'm drawing parallels to his scumgame. this is the problem. you're asking me to prove shit without actually doing anything about it yourself and it feels like scum busywork to shut down my mastin push

I would show you an example from a town game, but I need to wait for it to end first. Besides, the burden of proof falls on you. If you say that Mastin doesn't do X as town, then you need to give examples from town games to back up that statement.

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote: also I'm not trying to figure out the whole damn puzzle at once. whenever I try that it doesn't work. you're scummy, so I'm pushing you. in this case, idgaf about mastin's actions in relation to yours, although your actions make sense from a scum POV regardless of mastin's alignment (either you're WK'ing him or defending him as a scum partner)

Yeah, I point out the flaws in your argument, and all of a sudden I'm scum. Big surprise.

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote: this angle about "consistency" is the easiest angle for scum to push to try to discredit suspicion and I'm inclined to think you're scum for it. why don't you try directly addressing my points instead of attempting to use "you're inconsistent" as a defense?

I have addressed your points. I've said that they're bad, because they are attacking essentially null actions. I've further said that if you want to prove your point, you have to show that Mastin doesn't do X as town. If you can't do that, you don't have a case.

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:

In post 844, Bulbazak wrote:Saying someone is scum because they want to policy lynch is a cheap attack, especially for someone who is supposedly as experienced at the game like you're professing.

another misrep. I never said that, I said Aegor might be scum bc I got the feeling he was trying to slip through the cracks. I'm looking at the people who are just coasting by bc I have townreads on just about all the active players besides mastin. wanting a PL has literally NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

You linked to a post where Aegor was talking about policy lynching. You then called Aegor scum. Ergo, you are calling Aegor scum for wanting to policy lynch, even if tangentially. If you would have just said "I think Aegor might be trying to slip through the cracks." without anything linked to it, the most I would have said would be "How so?".

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote: and why are you putting words in my mouth? I said other people seem to think I'm a good player for some reason (even though I'm really not), not that I actually am. you're twisting my words around to suit your arguments

You said it yourself and tried to use it as an argument against me:

In post 839, sekai no ki wrote: also, right back at you. how can I be sure this isn't you trying to get rid of ffery who's a p strong player?

some people even say I'm a strong player so this counts as double \o/

Personally, I don't know how good you are, because I don't think I've ever played with you before, and if I did, it wasn't that memorable.

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote: and why do you assume I know how Rainbowdash plays? I've only had one game with him, I was in a hydra and everyone was inactive as fuck (and we got replaced after D2). even if you've meta'd me, you should know this

I didn't know you had no experience with Rainbowdash. I was simply using him as an example, since I have plenty of experience with him, and he immediately springs to mind. I was using it to illustrate my point. As for you, I'm not really the meta type. I only use experiential meta.

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote: you literally had no reason to make that assumption. you're trying to just write off my points against you by making shit up and twisting my words around without trying to understand any of them

I understand your points. They're bad, and I've repeatedly explained why they're bad.

In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:

In post 844, Bulbazak wrote:Because your points are bad! If you are town you should feel bad for the bad reasoning you're using. Aggression is not a scumtell! Frustration is not a scumtell! Policy lynching is not a freaking scum tell! And there was no you turning up the heat. Mastin has been suspected all game, so you being nitpicky about something so stupid was not going to do a darn thing. And furthermore, she had already answered you, BEFORE you even posted that paragraph of crap! It was a non-issue, it was crap reasoning, and it was doing absolutely nothing!

nice misrep. where have I ever said any of those are scumtells?

You just got done saying that Mastin is scum for ! You are also calling Mastin scum for something that she admits is born of . And let's not forget that you linked to a quote about when you called Aegor scum. Your very arguments point to you trying to use those as scum tells.

In post 861, Svenskt Stål wrote: could be, but i think both of the latest votes on me ( peregrinev and LOLbulba) are voting me personal reasons mixed in

You could always answer our questions.

In post 863, Majiffy wrote:

In post 718, sekai no ki wrote:I'm trying my wall catchup method bc I'm too far behind. come at me bros

And on that day, not a single link was clicked.

I clicked on them all and read the attached posts.

In post 863, Majiffy wrote:

In post 777, Bulbazak wrote:

Unvote

Vote Majiffy

I'm more sure about this one.

Go on.

In post 752, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 569, mastin2 wrote:your reads are overall highly convenient to what is best for them to be for you, rather than what you want them to be.

This is probably the best explanation of Majiffy-scum. He's going after targets that would be easy and convenient for him to push, and his pushes are mainly based on non-alignment indicative things that he can make look bad. Check out his current scum cases: Lurking, gut reads, and RVS BS.

I also had a lot more in the lost posts, but this summarizes things rather nicely.

In post 887, Svenskt Stål wrote:what do you think bro?

the wagon has not gotten any interest in days

That only adds to my suspicions.

In post 888, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 752, Bulbazak wrote:This is probably the best explanation of Majiffy-scum. He's going after targets that would be easy and convenient for him to push, and his pushes are mainly based on non-alignment indicative things that he can make look bad. Check out his current scum cases: Lurking, gut reads, and RVS BS.

I also had a lot more in the lost posts, but this summarizes things rather nicely.

My cases aren't "lurking, gut reads, and RVS BS", so good job summarizing absolutely nothing.

I'll wait while you make a real argument. Or you could pull your head out of your ass and vote Vezok.

Sven look at the general ease of other wagons forming, then look at the resistance to VezokWagon without anyone even so much as really talking about why. There seem to be a lot of people complacently placing Vezok in the scum pile, but won't put their money where their mouth is. And god forbid you question the fact that Vezok is pushing - at 36 pages in - a scumread on me as being strong and solid based on "gut feels" from early-game.

In post 889, Majiffy wrote: My cases aren't "lurking, gut reads, and RVS BS", so good job summarizing absolutely nothing.

You are calling Dopog scum for lurking, Vezok scum for having a gut scumread on you, and Toogeloo scum for BSing in RVS. I think I summarized things rather well.

, you and my partner can wall at each other all you like, but I'll probably mostly engage scroll wheel. If you have questions for me, plz preface them with "ffery" or something so I don't miss them.

@Ffery: Why did you have to role scum this game?

In post 891, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 889, Majiffy wrote: My cases aren't "lurking, gut reads, and RVS BS", so good job summarizing absolutely nothing.

You are calling Dopog scum for lurking, Vezok scum for having a gut scumread on you, and Toogeloo scum for BSing in RVS. I think I summarized things rather well.

Dopog is a weak read, and I'm not really pushing it.
Vezok is scum for having a fake read on me, which I pushing.
Toog is scum for making an attempt at town-cred. And much like Vezok, instead of directly approaching it, it's being ignored entirely.

And when Vezok and Toog flip scum, we'll have a lot of wonderful associatives to look at.

So, now, are you going to actually look at the reasons I'm scumreading players, or are you going to just keep living in a fantasy world?

To clarify, the read on Dopog isn't for lurking, either.

In post 890, Majiffy wrote:Sven look at the general ease of other wagons forming, then look at the resistance to VezokWagon without anyone even so much as really talking about why. There seem to be a lot of people complacently placing Vezok in the scum pile, but won't put their money where their mouth is. And god forbid you question the fact that Vezok is pushing - at 36 pages in - a scumread on me as being strong and solid based on "gut feels" from early-game.

Is he in a lot of scumpiles? I thought he'd been moved up a little by at least some people who were originally scumreading him.

In post 893, Bulbazak wrote:@Ffery: Why did you have to role scum this game?

I figured after modding the OCRemix game and hydraing in the Trine game you'd be a lot better able to read me. :/

Your argument with pieguy reminds me a lot of day 1 of the FEA game and your Talah push. Not in the details, but in the disconnect. Aside from trying to help pieguyn figure out how to read you (assuming I'm any better) and helping him understand my read as it evolves, is pretty much all I'm willing to invest in a clusterfuck of wall exchanges.

In post 896, sekai no ki wrote:

In post 890, Majiffy wrote:Sven look at the general ease of other wagons forming, then look at the resistance to VezokWagon without anyone even so much as really talking about why. There seem to be a lot of people complacently placing Vezok in the scum pile, but won't put their money where their mouth is. And god forbid you question the fact that Vezok is pushing - at 36 pages in - a scumread on me as being strong and solid based on "gut feels" from early-game.

Is he in a lot of scumpiles? I thought he'd been moved up a little by at least some people who were originally scumreading him.

Seem(s/ed) like it.

I reckon he's scum that everyone was willing to bus if necessary, and since there is little-to-no townie support, the wagon won't grow.

Majiffy on a scale from 1 to big yellow

How bussed are you being this game?