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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:22 am

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Take it up with Empking postgame, then. At that point, I'll show you the PM.
....what?



Blitz: Picking Simplicity taking pre-ins; PM for info. (0/13)
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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:24 am

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I just asked him myself (also if he's in his right mind). I assume your question was something along the lines of, "is kill flavor relevant to game mechanics?"
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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:28 am

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Why not ask that in thread? Why did you "need" to ask that via PM?
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:28 am

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NS needs to swing. Now.
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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:29 am

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Last time I did that I didn't get an answer and people were mean to me. :<

Why are you assuming that NS is lying without asking first? This is easy to test.
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:32 am

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unvote

Mod, does the kill flavor matter in this game?
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:40 am

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I don't have a gun. The reason it occurred to me to ask was because of Lowercase's claim that he lost his role when Fish targeted him. If your original role was the gun-without-a-battery and you transformed into something else you should lose your previous powers just like LC claimed.
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:42 am

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Oh wow, I totally didn't notice we had a page 36 before I posted it. Asking in thread should resolve the matter.
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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:42 am

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Vote Count Thirty-Six: Shirt, the mix


Cho (3)- LowerCase, Jul, Belisarius
Nobody Special (3) - FormerFish, MTD, Cho
FormerFish (1) - Nobody Special

Not Voting: Kagami, LoudMouthLee

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(expired on 2014-06-13 07:36:50)

The flavour of the kills in the first post are relevant.
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:47 am

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In post 870, Lowercase wrote:@kag: Why would they expect me to be a viable lynch candidate on day 2? Besides, even if there were two nights of stabbing it would be a pretty serious leap to assume that goons don't have guns, since the wiki page explicitly states that all mafia except doctors have guns.
Fair point, though I would have considered attempting to frame you as scum if it were possible, rather than have you as near conf-town.
As far as your spec about PR's and kill flavors, I agree with NS. Since most mafia roles have guns, I would expect the kill flavor to be "shot" even with wacky future gadgets involved.
My theory is that all scum except one "shoots." The scum that stabs is a gunsmith GF. I'm just pointing out that it would make very little flavor sense for NS to "shoot" if his claim is to be believed (and I believe it).

NS's theory that there's an SK makes little sense to me.

Re:Cho, if this is a scum replace-out, I agree with LML's sentiment on it.
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:48 am

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LML, I haven't claimed my target for a reason. S'all I'm saying til I feel like doing otherwise or if they say its kosher.
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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:54 am

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In post 885, Formerfish wrote:LML, I haven't claimed my target for a reason. S'all I'm saying til I feel like doing otherwise or if they say its kosher.
And you don't think that's scummy? Sounds to me like you can't prove it.
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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:56 am

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@MTD:

What do you think about Cho? I think you're the only one here who has experience with her.
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:02 pm

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Btw, post timing makes me 100% sure the NS is town. 871 at 5:04, votecount at 5:07. Empking did indeed reply to a message from NS.
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:48 pm

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Can
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can't. The person I visited knows that I visited them. I'm leaving it up to them to come forward. In my mind if they haven't there is a good reason for that. And even if I die tonight I still get one more shot at picking a good target for the town.
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:53 am

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Formerfish wrote:Can
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prove it? No,
I
can't. The person I visited knows that I visited them. I'm leaving it up to them to come forward. In my mind if they haven't there is a good reason for that. And even if I die tonight I still get one more shot at picking a good target for the town.
Do you want me to go around and ask? The more information the town has at this point, the better. If you're pro-town, you're simply being selfish. You want to remain alive instead of giving the town ample information.. information you may indeed take to the grave with you.

If you're scum, you absolutely don't have information to give.

Either way, your actions are anti-town, and truthfully, I'd consider lynching you for it.
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:05 am

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Damnit Lee, it's crumbed pretty friggin hard. He transformed me and that's all I care to say at this time. It wasn't anti-town. It was pro town. But in case I die in the night, there is your info.
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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:30 am

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Crumbled is one thing. Now, we can move forward. Having it out there MAKES A DIFFERENCE, Juls.

a) Formerfish has successfully transformed two players. Both of which say it's a pro-town move. This clears Formerfish in a major way, and should for the rest of the town.
b) I believe that both Juls and Who/Lowercase are town as well. @FF --> Does it say what happens if you target a mafia member?
c) I know I'm town. Formerfish, Juls, Lowercase and myself are all terrible lynches at this point.

This means that with 5 others alive, if we can believe that the 4 listed are town, we can create a lynch list and work our way through it. I also still feel that Kagami is protown, but that's neither here nor there.

I propose the following:

Lynch Cho today.
Lynch NS tomorrow.
If the game is not over, lynch MTD next.
If the game is still not over, we must choose between Beli/Kagami. I'd be hard pressed to think that the game wouldn't be over at that point. We should have the numbers to run this, if we are all in agreement.

@Juls, @FF, @Lowercase, @Beli, @Kag, how do you feel about this?
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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:31 am

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In post 847, Nobody Special wrote:Also, for Beli: I did pass the Transformer, to Juls. Make of that what you will.
Ah, bollocks, I skimmed over that, but I just checked Juls' ISO to confirm it, and she did say so waaaay back at the start of the day.

So, that means NS is all but confirmed. That wagon needs to go away.

I still think Cho is a good lynch, but after the zeph clusterfuck, I don't have the confidence to want the slot lynched until there's a replacement.
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:33 am

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@Beli --> Disagree. The transformer has nothing to do with allgnment.
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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:51 am

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And scum is really going to pass it onto obvtown?

Because Juls confirmed in her first post of the Day that that's exactly what happened.
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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:54 am

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@Beli, wouldn't you? Especially if you're in a shit's bit of trouble for the day? Wouldn't that be your ONLY chance of avoiding the gallows?
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:25 am

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Scum rule #1: Never underestimate the town's ability to tear itself apart.

I'd try to keep the transformer out of town hands to prevent any more PRs from surfacing and fight the good fight.

There's clear town motivation in NS's choice of who to pass the transformer on to. He'd have to worry about passing it onto scum, or passing it onto the scum's NK target. Passing it onto Juls makes perfect sense from a town perspective.
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:39 am

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The transformer creates power roles?
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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:51 am

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We still don't have a clue as to what the transformer does. NS hasn't said anything about it and frankly I wouldn't trust him if he did. No I don't know what happens specifically if I target scum, I assume their role would switch. I highly doubt that alignment would switch though.
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