Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[duppin]

And Chip, my name is duppin not duppen. I asked you if you wanted me to go over your points by the way, so if you'd like me to then tell.
You questioned my townread on you, but it mainly comes from the game you linked. I thought your attitude this game was super weird, I honestly couldn't tell whether you were trolling or not at first, but you gave off the same vibe in the game you linked. The only notable difference is you seem more confident in this game, but I assume that mainly has to do with the other one being on of your first games (?) seeing as it is your only finished one and I certainly do not think confidence is a scum tell at all.

Unfortunately I haven't seen a scum game from you, which might be an issue of course but I feel better about your play now than I initially did, which is why I have you as leaning town.

[Dunnstral]

What makes you think I'm not willing to vote Ranger? Because I didn't jump on it early this morning?

Tl;dr, Lean scum on Ranger, but I have harder scum reads.

If I'm not satisfied with those answers, less satisfied with Chip's answers, I'll vote Ranger.

You're all over the place and it looks like scum to scum interaction.

And Chip, my name is duppin not duppen

He's been calling me Dunstrall all game and I just haven't bothered to say anything

[PantherPunt]

I'm on mobile so I'm not properly responding to the ranger and kuroi posts though I have issues with both, and especially with what ranger excluded from my posts when she MQ responded to me.

Ranger- can we talk your read on florestan real quick?

[Dunnstral]

And who are these mysterious harder scum reads, if you're willing to vote Ranger? Is it just Chip...?

[KuroiXHF]

And Chip, my name is duppin not duppen. I asked you if you wanted me to go over your points by the way, so if you'd like me to then tell.
You questioned my townread on you, but it mainly comes from the game you linked. I thought your attitude this game was super weird, I honestly couldn't tell whether you were trolling or not at first, but you gave off the same vibe in the game you linked. The only notable difference is you seem more confident in this game, but I assume that mainly has to do with the other one being on of your first games (?) seeing as it is your only finished one and I certainly do not think confidence is a scum tell at all.

Unfortunately I haven't seen a scum game from you, which might be an issue of course but I feel better about your play now than I initially did, which is why I have you as leaning town.

Holy shit, I forgot you were in this game.

What makes you think I'm not willing to vote Ranger? Because I didn't jump on it early this morning?

Tl;dr, Lean scum on Ranger, but I have harder scum reads.

If I'm not satisfied with those answers, less satisfied with Chip's answers, I'll vote Ranger.

You're all over the place and it looks like scum to scum interaction.

Want to name one time I said Ranger was town there, brah?

[Ranger]

I see a lot of people townreading Ranger without much reason to though

Notably, most of the players townreading me are...surprise! Players with direct experience playing with me.

Most of the players scumreading me are...surprise! Players without direct experience playing with me...save PantherPunt.

Hmm, maybe, juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust maaaaaaaaaybe, there's a reason for that.

It doesn't matter anyway she's slipped off of suspecting Kuroi.

Wrong. If any of my scumreads are wrong, and yes, contrary to popular belief, I can be wrong and recognize this fact (do I have to preach literally every single game my fundamental belief that "I always expect to be wrong, but would make no progress if I

assumed

I was wrong"?), then Kuroi's my top pick for being scum.

But until I see evidence to the contrary, until I see anything, literally anything, that would change my scumreads whatsoever, I am going to continue to assume I am right, because that's what the evidence says. You three have posted a ton of content. All of it has either not been alignment-indicative changing nothing, or has strengthened the scumread.

I believe I can bring her to L-1 by tonight (assuming everyone doesn't just lurk it out)

And I continue to say good luck, because it aint happening. Not today, and unless you nightkill/lynch players who're supporting me, not ever. And maybe not even then.

She seemed so much more...verbose...than usual, and more defensive than I have seen her, too, I think.

These are linked together, and both have the same root cause: being engaged in the game, rather than just slipping by into the background.

I could have done that, you know.

Prior to getting engaged, I had no votes. People had suspicions on me, but none of them actually followed through with a vote.
It wasn't until after I deliberately let myself be in the spotlight that I earned votes. But I don't fear the spotlight. Gladly, bring it on. So that's why I'm talking more.
This was a deliberate choice, because I have had a lot of games recently where I

wasn't

engaged. Among them, having just ended? This one. Look how many times we got prodded there. Look at how much of the content there is RC, rather than me. I made the decision not to let that apathy happen again.

[Dunnstral]

Want to name one time I said Ranger was town there, brah?

You implied you had "better scumreads" than Ranger. So voting Ranger withoug pushing anyone else sure would be weird!

But then you quickly change to "What makes you think I'm not willing to vote Ranger?"

And then you're getting prepared to vote Ranger in your next line

It doesn't look like natural thoughts, it looks like poorly done scum distancing/bussing

[duppin]

Alright I'm here, allow me to catch up

Let me know what you think of Ranger and Kuroi please as you catch up

Still quite suspicious of Ranger, especially not too fond of her interactions with Panther. Panther has had a great entrance by the way.

My main issue with Ranger though is simply her reads are too different from mine and I can't really follow her reasoning for it.

As for Kuroi, wasn't a fan of the slot before mainly due to Alpaca not doing anything and not taking a stance. Kuroi's entrance hasn't really changed my read of the slot. Just like Ranger I have a really difficult time understanding where they're coming from.

I find both of them suspicious. Their interactions are honestly a bit weird as well. Can't help but feel they could be distancing, but meh.

@Kuroi, well I'm here now. Thoughts on my slot?

[Dunnstral]

Continuously linking to other games and referencing self-meta should just be a policy lynch. You're scummy in this game.

[Ranger]

People are posting so much in this game I almost suspect scum spamming.

Hmm...I wonder.

Ranger 45
KuroiXHF 36

Dunnstral 162

PantherPunt (A REPLACEMENT!) 137

duppin 33

ploben 150

BTD6_maker 20
Chip Butty 130
Florestan 35
karnos 82
Shadow_step 15
Persivul 25
Scott Brosius 4
AlpacaAlpaca

Nope, there couldn't

possibly

be

any

trend here, whatsoever. Clearly this means nothing. I mean, surely there's ABSOLUTELY no trend there, right? It's not like the active posters could be scum or anything.

[PantherPunt]

Ranger can we talk about your flor read. Asking again

[KuroiXHF]

It doesn't matter anyway she's slipped off of suspecting Kuroi.

Wrong. If any of my scumreads are wrong, and yes, contrary to popular belief, I can be wrong and recognize this fact (do I have to preach literally every single game my fundamental belief that "I always expect to be wrong, but would make no progress if I

assumed

I was wrong"?), then Kuroi's my top pick for being scum.

There is a world of difference between "I was wrong before so I changed my vote" to "It's impossible for Kuroi to be scum" and "OMGZ HE'S SCUM!"

Want to name one time I said Ranger was town there, brah?

You implied you had "better scumreads" than Ranger. So voting Ranger withoug pushing anyone else sure would be weird!

But then you quickly change to "What makes you think I'm not willing to vote Ranger?"

And then you're getting prepared to vote Ranger in your next line

It doesn't look like natural thoughts, it looks like poorly done scum distancing/bussing

I do, unless the reread changes my mind. But like I said, I had questions, and I'm not liking Ranger's responses.

So here.

VOTE: Ranger

And I didn't like your post over here. It sounds forced and it reeks of you twisting my word to fit the mold of your bias.

I'm about to leave for the night. If I respond, it won't be much and most likely mobile posting.

[duppin]

Ranger, imagine if ploben is town for a moment, do you think scum would be on his wagon?

[PantherPunt]

I feel like this game is super duper easy. Hope I'm not wrong

[Dunnstral]

Their interactions are honestly a bit weird as well. Can't help but feel they could be distancing, but meh.

Can I convince you to vote Ranger here?

People are posting so much in this game I almost suspect scum spamming.

Hmm...I wonder.

Ranger 45
KuroiXHF 36

Dunnstral 162

PantherPunt (A REPLACEMENT!) 137

duppin 33

ploben 150

BTD6_maker 20
Chip Butty 130
Florestan 35
karnos 82
Shadow_step 15
Persivul 25
Scott Brosius 4
AlpacaAlpaca

Nope, there couldn't

possibly

be

any

trend here, whatsoever. Clearly this means nothing. I mean, surely there's ABSOLUTELY no trend there, right? It's not like the active posters could be scum or anything.

I mean if we're referencing meta Yeah I post a lot and I post a lot as town.

I bet I'd post a lot as scum, too.

I know Panther posts a lot as well

No clue on Ploben but posting a lot doesn't AT ALL correlate with being scummy. In fact, more often than not it's the ones who post less who are scum!
Of course that's just a statistical thing and I've got nothing to back that up ^

[PantherPunt]

The townies are just being townie

Then you just observe who isn't..simple

[PantherPunt]

It's real. There's an old saying where I play "sort by post count become werewolf expert"

Bc scum have a hard time making a lot of posts without fucking up. Without making a couple of howlers. Being scum is hard

[Dunnstral]

It's real. There's an old saying where I play "sort by post count become werewolf expert"

Bc scum have a hard time making a lot of posts without fucking up. Without making a couple of howlers. Being scum is hard

I guess my town game pretty much makes my scum game hard mode then

[PantherPunt]

Same for me dude. I just had a town game where I posted 800 times in two weeks. They nail me as scum immediately whenever I roll it

[Ranger]

Ranger
May I ask what you do for a living?

You may ask!
You will not get a response!

You seem to share a scum read on Kuroi as a handful of us do. Would you consider voting that wagon instead of mine

If the choices were Kuroi-or-nolynch, I'd lynch Kuroi.
If the choices were Kuroi or a townread, I'd lynch Kuroi.
If the choices were Kuroi or me, I'd lynch Kuroi.

Otherwise, no. I would not lynch kuroi, not while there is a viable, and already existing, wagon on a strong scumread.

I feel that she forges her meta by using different play styles each game

I'm like RadiantCowbells lite: I play each game as comes naturally to me.
There may be trends in my town games, I certainly think so.
There may be trends in my scum games, I certainly haven't found any aside from possible lack of town trends.
But mostly I play whatever I feel like I should be playing.

This game, I felt I should be playing more actively, and that sitting in the background would get me disengaged from the game.

I'm sure you just flipped me upside down, Ranger. Didn't you just say it was impossible for me to be scum?

*ahem*

The reason for this is simple: I'm not scumreading the other players. (Save Scott, who is nullscum.) The other players were also not relevant to the current discussion, whereas you were. And

you are a scumread

. I just

don't think you're actually scum, because

there can be only three scum

. If I was

wrong on any of my core three

, I'd immediately be

looking into their interactions with you and vice-versa to see if you fit as a scumbuddy

.

^So, basically, my read is that you're town because there can only be three scum, and my scumread on those three is much, MUCH stronger than my scumread on you. However, that does not change the existence OF a scumread on you.

[duppin]

@Dunnstral, how many votes is she at?

[PantherPunt]

Ranger at 4 (L-3)
Kuroi at 2

[duppin]

Alright well I'm fine with either train.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ranger

Now that I assume I have your attention, plx respond to my previous question

[Dunnstral]

If Ploben votes too we'd be at L-1

[Ranger]

Ranger- can we talk your read on florestan real quick?

I don't see what's important about it, but I also don't see any reason why not to, so sure. We can talk about Florestan.

Ranger, imagine if ploben is town for a moment, do you think scum would be on his wagon?

Probably not.

I'd have to check who did and didn't vote ploben to get a firm opinion. ploben is not a lynch I see scum going for. If ploben is scum, the reason is obvious. If ploben is town, the reason is to avoid being caught on an easy mislynch.