I'll just let you post conclusions and we can go from there
We are working through my conclusions
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:03 am
by Keyser Söze
You’re basically helping me to see I don’t have anything to worry about them (my own personal concerns are more like tin foil hat fantasies, bred from the bossom of LCD)
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:06 am
by Irrelephant11
Oh, well I guess I meant I wanted to stop influencing your conclusions to be tailored to my thoughts and let you conclude --> then respond to the conclusions
pedit: there were more words here but I felt like they would influence your thinking maybe too much
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:06 am
by Keyser Söze
I did assign them some homework to do though.
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:09 am
by Irrelephant11
Do you have a read on their slot before I jump back in, I guess is what I'm trying to get from you?
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:13 am
by Keyser Söze
Strong town lean.
Destined for heaven.
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:15 am
by Keyser Söze
Btw Irrelephant, you have too many town reads right now
In a game with an especially high number of scum this is suprising too
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:20 am
by Irrelephant11
mmkay great just wanted something committal that I wouldn't have to feel paranoid was just a copy of what I said
also I agree I have too many townreads
I said the same like 3 pages ago lol
tbf I'm not sure I townread you, you're just fun to interact with
I would actually *like* for the scumteam to be you/creature/eragon but that feels lazy and somewhat unlikely
who do you think I should scumread that I don't right now
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:24 am
by Irrelephant11
wait how did you get to strong townlean?
I'm not sure I see anything other than mild townlean in your catchup
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:37 am
by Keyser Söze
In post 884, Irrelephant11 wrote:wait how did you get to strong townlean?
I'm not sure I see anything other than mild townlean in your catchup
They were already a town lean (but I felt dirty)
After my re-read and our chat...
Their playstyle is apparently nothing outside their town meta... it sounds like I’m merely tinfoiling that they’ve pocketed me via meta-replication.
I’m not finding their timing/choice/progression on LabRat/Creature as suspicious as I first was... maybe they’re just slashing at their scum read with unnatural conviction in their own unique way, while the real scum swoop in after (?).
It would be good to hear your view of them after your re-read.
Are they currently higher or lower than town lean?
I think I'm right about AT townlean for DrJ. I had them higher before you pointed out that LAMIST-as-town-meta doesn't mean they have to be town just because they're LAMIST. I haven't had the time to read their ISO like I wanted, too much going on at work today
do you townread creature/labrat, keyser?
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:19 am
by Keyser Söze
I do.
But you know me... winds can change
LabRat would be a good full re-read. To determine: what have they actively discovered this game?
Creature I like, but I wouldn’t be surprised whatever way they flip (this is not me saying they are null).
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:26 am
by Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
I have a lot to re-read, plus thanksgiving break is soon. I've been V/LA due to IRL stuff. I'm typing this on a school computer rn, and if I really have to, I'll mobilepost thoughts later. I just quickly skimmed what I've missed and:
In post 811, Creature wrote:I'll probably just let you find the tells there.
This is anti-town. If you're town, and want to clear yourself, you'd point it out. You're not though, why?
In post 847, Creature wrote:My problem with Korina is that her playstyle here feels different than what I remember.
He*, I'm a guy. I would grab from my GTKAS thread my "I'm a guy, I have a dick" post, but that requires me to log into my main again.
Also, I played differently as Vex only to try to distance Vex from Korina. If I played similarly as Vex pre-reveal, that'd be a giveaway, which I didn't want as Vex.
I've been low-energy/post because V/LA. I've been unable to really sit down and type for the past several days. The rest of today, (and maybe the start of tomorrow), I'll be a bit lower energy due to V/LA and break starting.
In post 855, the worst wrote:Work on another slot? It's sitting in the back of my mind too, but kinda like his contributions so far have been good and his v/la is finite
it's not like tryna sort assembler or something, if we need Korina to spew content and he's still v/la he'll probably be able to sort out a time later I guess
@DrJ
Kor pls confirm
LCP do you guys discord or anything to keep in touch?
What about me on the first part?
Also, we use a PT for hydra communication.
I'll try to start typing my thoughts, however, it'll most likely be tomorrow that I get them posted. Using QWERTY while used to colemak is painful.
-Kor
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:28 am
by Irrelephant11
DrJ have you read Keyser's walls about you
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:45 am
by Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
I haven't, don't know about LCPL.
Running out of time to actually post atm, will have to later tonight/tomorrow.
-Kor
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:11 am
by Irrelephant11
I decided to pick through Keyser's case:
Bolded things I agree with, underlined disagreements
Spoiler: my formatting here conflicts with keyser's so good luck reading it
Gonna try pick out only meaningful items that still bear a ring of truth to me.
(Part 1 of 2?)
"I would see it more as him trying to pocket us"
Yup, some good ol' town paranoia here from Dr J.
"This sounds like you are trying to get out of RVS / shitpost stage. That would give me a slight town inclination on you."
Rings slightly LAMISt-y.
Easy town points given out IMO. Scum also have motivation to appear serious too during RVS to appear town...
My head's going round in circles with post #92 regarding their thoughts on Carmen and LabRat. Dr J then asks half a dozen of semi-to-low game solving questions.
"Derp-clears are easy to fake, and shouldn't be used as the basis for a TR IMO."
Dr J is pretty firm with their stance here... but maybe too game theory related to get me excited about.
"I'm town-soulreading his activity, however, I'm scum-reading his content."
Ok, this may eloquently explain Dr J's infatuation with LabRat then. I was intrigued by the associations between these two slots during RVS too.
"because I'm seeing it as you're pretty sure that Carmen is actually scum"
Dr J suspected a Carmen-Labrat scum team.
Noted. Overlooked this post (probs coz I couldn't get my head around post #92.)
"HOLD ON, WAIT A FUCKING MOMENT: Why the fuck is Irrel allowed to make a joke about them being scum, and have it be dismissed as RVS, yet Carmen can do the same exact thing, during RVS, and yet gets called out for being scummy on it?"
Hmmm.. calling out LabRat for contradicting himself/being hypocritical is slightly LAMIST-y
Dr J's suspicions is quite intense here. Wondering how they unvote here.
In post 212, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I feel like scum tends to be more cautious with their votes. I definitely am like that a lot. So this feels scummy.
VOTE: Keyser
N.b. if Korina voted anyone by page 9 I will revote not to disturb his scumhunting
Did LCL need to put that "N.b." after his vote to cover his ass'? (which I personally hated). His momentum needed to stay with LabRat IMO. He does unvote later...
"I'd probably call it an attempt to buddy me, given I know him from back then, and am possibly likely to respond by TRing him."
This self reflection looks good on him.
"Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon"
Half the playerlist weren't even actively posting - I don't think we can draw that clear RVS conclusion here.
"he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic"
I would sheep that sentiment about TW though.
"I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me,"
That was bugging me, so I'm glad it bugged Dr J too.
Consolidated case (post #398) on LabRat - better now than I first first.
"Come join me on him. That means scum has to get their entire team into heaven making it much more difficult for them to win"
"It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure"
Some nice confidence shown here on their new zealous scum read of Creature
"good reply, will read in detail later tonight, but I'll bump you farther down the scum list"
"All that being said I definitely feel much less like you are scum. Your reaction here to my post feels very town"
@Dr J , PLease can we see the detail and reasons for this, the whys and hows.
Gonna have to put together some conclusions now...
I think I come out with a stronger townlean again, actually. DrJ's paranoia seems real (feels uninformed, truly sorting) and the LAMIST style fits town meta w/o being cognizant that that is their town meta
I tried to glance at LCPL's meta for anything LAMIST-y but he only has scum games, so that doesn't help. still, I feel like newbie's look lamist-y more often anyway (and I don't really agree he's as lamist as korina anyway)
Now the question is: would Keyser make this towncase on a townie as scum? I think most of my scumread of Keyser came from lack of nuance/mutual scumread with at first/buddying vibes
If Keyser is scum here he feels confident that buddying with the right people will save his team, or he's scum with DrJ...
Maybe it's just eragon/creature/lefty
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:33 am
by the worst
Ya compare Lcp scum meta to this tho
Conventional tells work there, not activity tells tho
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:40 am
by the worst
Relly why you townreadin keyser
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:42 am
by ManateeDude
Ok sorry will sort everything in 2 hours max
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:45 am
by Irrelephant11
Mostly for coming out of reading DrJ with a strong townread
and wanting him to be town because I like him
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:47 am
by Irrelephant11
but actually his case on DrJ was the first time this game he's been objectively very much like his town self, imo
reminds me of his Presidents play, finally
Not sure it's enough for anything resembling a strong townread but I think we already agreed not to lynch him today
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:52 am
by the worst
townreading a slot who's really obviously town is so easy tho and like.. he is lacking a bit of keyser kapoooowwww
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:53 am
by Irrelephant11
Yeah I mean I don't love how long it took him to arrive here
if you had to nail three scum to the wall who are they
